When Did Being Smart and Doing Well in School Start to be Considered "White?"

[twatgetta]

Since when is "White" synonomous to intelligence? descendants of the Caveman? nah pimp

 

[Maximus Rex]

You know, the turtle and the hair allegory.

LoL @ bolded. Dude, the tortoise didn't race against

he won the race against:

 

[Undefeatable]

Good question.......

A lot of folks will say rap/gangster rap.......

Others will say Black Liberation.........

But, I think the answer is that it was always here in America..............

A part of the institution of slavery........

I don't agree on gangsta rap or Black liberation as "turning points". As anti-intellectual as people made gangsta rap out to be, Ice Cube was the product of two professors who taught at UCLA. Big Syke and other Outlawz often talk about their appreciation for 2Pac's intelligence and how he got them interested in history and learning. Huey Newton, Angela Davis, Fred Hampton, and freedom fighters in the Black liberation movement were all intellectuals who constantly read and absorbed info and that's why they compelled people to radical action. I think that the Black community has always appreciated knowledge and learning--I just don't think we might not like the pretension that comes along with it.

Where did you get this garbage about Ice Cube? Gangsta rap was indeed anti-intellectual. What you've saying doesn't prove anything.

 

[janklow]

Big Syke and other Outlawz often talk about their appreciation for 2Pac's intelligence and how he got them interested in history and learning.

wait, what was the actual positive outcome of this, because all i recall is a bunch of shitty Outlawz records

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You know, the turtle and the hair allegory.

LoL @ bolded. Dude, the tortoise didn't race against

he won the race against:

Ask me when was the last time i typed Hare instead of Rabbit. You're proving my point though, you could just correct me instead of pointing figures and laughing. That would go far in helping those whom aren't as quick, or made a simple error, and decrease animosity. People can't be upset that they are being assaulted because they are intelligent when they use their intelligence to insult others.

 

[kingblaze84]

Good question.......

A lot of folks will say rap/gangster rap.......

Others will say Black Liberation.........

But, I think the answer is that it was always here in America..............

A part of the institution of slavery........

I don't agree on gangsta rap or Black liberation as "turning points". As anti-intellectual as people made gangsta rap out to be, Ice Cube was the product of two professors who taught at UCLA. Big Syke and other Outlawz often talk about their appreciation for 2Pac's intelligence and how he got them interested in history and learning. Huey Newton, Angela Davis, Fred Hampton, and freedom fighters in the Black liberation movement were all intellectuals who constantly read and absorbed info and that's why they compelled people to radical action. I think that the Black community has always appreciated knowledge and learning--I just don't think we might not like the pretension that comes along with it.

Where did you get this garbage about Ice Cube? Gangsta rap was indeed anti-intellectual. What you've saying doesn't prove anything.

Not all gangsta rap is anti-intellectual. The old Jay-Z records were gangsta rap but far from anti-intellectual. Same for many of 2pac's old records. Listen to Wu-Tang Forever and you will see the error of your post. No diss.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Good question.......

A lot of folks will say rap/gangster rap.......

Others will say Black Liberation.........

But, I think the answer is that it was always here in America..............

A part of the institution of slavery........

I don't agree on gangsta rap or Black liberation as "turning points". As anti-intellectual as people made gangsta rap out to be, Ice Cube was the product of two professors who taught at UCLA. Big Syke and other Outlawz often talk about their appreciation for 2Pac's intelligence and how he got them interested in history and learning. Huey Newton, Angela Davis, Fred Hampton, and freedom fighters in the Black liberation movement were all intellectuals who constantly read and absorbed info and that's why they compelled people to radical action. I think that the Black community has always appreciated knowledge and learning--I just don't think we might not like the pretension that comes along with it.

Where did you get this garbage about Ice Cube? Gangsta rap was indeed anti-intellectual. What you've saying doesn't prove anything.

Not all gangsta rap is anti-intellectual. The old Jay-Z records were gangsta rap but far from anti-intellectual. Same for many of 2pac's old records. Listen to Wu-Tang Forever and you will see the error of your post. No diss.

The best Gangstas are often the smartest which is why Jay Z is so successful. Most just become too confident in their singular intelligence and set themselves up for a fall.

 

[Plutarch]

With the exception of Malcolm, every major African American leader of the 20th Century was either graduated college, had post graduate degrees, or they held doctorates. W.E.B. Du Bois, George Washignton Craver, Booker T. Washington, Ralph Baunche, Dr. King, Jessie Jackson, and Huey Newton, and of course Thurgood Marshall, all of these men were not only academics and intellectuals, they're heroes to black people. My question is when did we start to associate pursuing scholarly endeavors, showing, participating, and most importantly EXCELLING in school with something that only whites did?

I think that I agree with Paul Hate. I might agree that "talking well" and with enunciation is widely considered to be "white" or "boogie," but I don't agree that being smart and doing well in school is widely considered to be "white." Regardless of race, I think that doing well in school is logically considered to be a good thing by nearly all parents and adults, especially immigrants, including black immigrants. It's the young bul around the way that doesn't care about or appreciate the value of education. Sometimes, he can't really can't be blamed for thinking that way though. Either way, he'll most likely end up regretting it when he gets older.

 

[Plutarch]

Good question.......

A lot of folks will say rap/gangster rap.......

Others will say Black Liberation.........

But, I think the answer is that it was always here in America..............

A part of the institution of slavery........

I don't agree on gangsta rap or Black liberation as "turning points". As anti-intellectual as people made gangsta rap out to be, Ice Cube was the product of two professors who taught at UCLA. Big Syke and other Outlawz often talk about their appreciation for 2Pac's intelligence and how he got them interested in history and learning. Huey Newton, Angela Davis, Fred Hampton, and freedom fighters in the Black liberation movement were all intellectuals who constantly read and absorbed info and that's why they compelled people to radical action. I think that the Black community has always appreciated knowledge and learning--I just don't think we might not like the pretension that comes along with it.

Where did you get this garbage about Ice Cube? Gangsta rap was indeed anti-intellectual. What you've saying doesn't prove anything.

Not all gangsta rap is anti-intellectual. The old Jay-Z records were gangsta rap but far from anti-intellectual. Same for many of 2pac's old records. Listen to Wu-Tang Forever and you will see the error of your post. No diss.

The best Gangstas are often the smartest which is why Jay Z is so successful. Most just become too confident in their singular intelligence and set themselves up for a fall.

Jay Z is a gangsta? If there's a few words that define Jay Z, one would definitely be "hustler." A lot street savvy guys are as every bit as proficient and ruthless as your typical big-time CEO executive. They just decided to do business in the illegal sector. It's been said that people like Jeff Fort and Larry Hoover were very smart and could've done a lot of positive if they hadn't had resorted to crime and instead worked on more progressive endeavors.

 

[luke1733]

I haven't seen pursuing education making people associate a black person with whiteness. In my experience when I saw blacks chastise others for trying to be white it was when some blacks decided to change the tones of their voices to be more nasal sounding, change their views to side with the viewpoints of biased white scholars that blacks were familiar with hearing, using white slang and name brand clothing and styles to show to other blacks who they were attempting to identify with. Ironically, these types often took on the role of also trying very hard to prove they were better than "other" blacks by striving very hard to validate their views validity through achievements in education and money; therefore assuming the same superiority complex of their white counterparts.

 

[luke1733]

I have seen many educated blacks pursue many different degrees of education and monetary achievements where nobody associated or claimed they were trying to be white. I think it is your influence and the persona you give off. The same way people know if you wanna be Tupac or if you're trying to act like Nicki Minaj or where a mohawk for trend and skinny jeans. People can read you. Sometimes they're right sometimes that person is confusing and might get called out for traits they resemble but once you get to know them you realize their traits can be misleading.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I have seen many educated blacks pursue many different degrees of education and monetary achievements where nobody associated or claimed they were trying to be white. I think it is your influence and the persona you give off. The same way people know if you wanna be Tupac or if you're trying to act like Nicki Minaj or where a mohawk for trend and skinny jeans. People can read you. Sometimes they're right sometimes that person is confusing and might get called out for traits they resemble but once you get to know them you realize their traits can be misleading.

Wearing slim jeans isn't white. We did it in the 80s and we did it different like we do it different now. White folks can't keep up with black fashion even with skinny jeans. Shit, we even do Mohawks better then them (which is native American and even African rather then white) I get you were saying they do it for trend but i guess i'm that guy who would like to point out that others do it just because they actually like the way it looks.

 

[luke1733]

Yeah, that's what I was saying on that part. I was only saying people can read each other's trends. I wasn't saying mohawks or skinny jeans were white, I was only comparing how people can read your clothing style and the trends that person is following the same type of way, that on a different front, people can also read when a black person is identifying with popular white culture or when a white person identifies with black ideals. I still remember those break dancing movies in the 80's and the colored socks and stonewashes with jerry-curls, Mr-T and the Braves.

 

[luke1733]

I hear a lot of people say when they were growing up they were told they were talking white. Many of these people who say they were accused of this, say this arrogantly as though blacks were talking about speaking properly to them. Many do not understand because of different reasons and some due to arrogance and not being willing to hear what blacks (most often the children that accused other blacks of speaking this way were children that lacked the skills to explain exactly what they were identifying) were saying--which was they were not only referring to the proper speech. Blacks were referring often to the points I stated earlier which was the culture of that person's speech was foreign and most often found in white culture, specifically the nasal tone, the way a person walked, the beliefs projected, the metaphors and other ways that person used to identify or express themselves with, the music or television shows, the slang was coming from White culture. Whites have culture the same way that blacks have culture and sometimes ours intertwine, but it would be foolish to not recognize it.

 

[luke1733]

My only point is to not confuse what people were saying.Pursuing education in the black community has not been considered trying to be white by black people in the black community (now as for what some black media pundits who were teased for identifying with whites when they were growing up and use their platform to say things like "they were teased for trying to pursue an education" for being white; this is what I'm referring to.) Only people that can say this are people that didn't go to black schools growing up and don't know of how many black colleges and universities there are in the country. There's a difference between identifying and expressing white culture and preferring that culture and labeling that as white than noticing someone is pursuing an education. To even have to try to explain this is crazy, and it's usually on those that never understood why people said "they were talking white" that truly continue to say "blacks equate higher education and speaking properly with trying to be white."

 

[janklow]

Shit, we even do Mohawks better then them (which is native American and even African rather then white)

i don't know, i think it was a white guy that rocked the most iconic one

really, though, mohawks are just kind of ridiculous no matter what your race is

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Shit, we even do Mohawks better then them (which is native American and even African rather then white)

i don't know, i think it was a white guy that rocked the most iconic one

really, though, mohawks are just kind of ridiculous no matter what your race is

Nope. That would be Mr T. I've seen some nicely done Mohawks, but you're right, for the most part they look silly when done wrong.

 

[janklow]

Nope. That would be Mr T.

going to have to disagree on this one