Whats Your Thoughts On Abortion?

[playmaker88]

my feelings are it should be a one time thing ... not legally but as far as a lesson learned barring extreme factors... it shouldnt be treated as the quicker picker upper but a critical decision that should stick with those involved....unfortunately its just a debit for some people

 

[Meta_Conscious]

Fuck responsibly...

 

[supYo]

I have mixed feelings about it quote]

yap...destiny, i think every mother should keep her baby but i also understand the others

 

[playmaker88]

 

[Matt-]

the argument that

"the government should not interfere with people doing what they want so long as it doesn't effect me"

or

"i don't care what people do, just don't get in my way"

makes complete sense just as long as you a fucking idiot.

 

[Ajackson17]

No one discussed abstinence? Self control should be more preached in the culture well any culture.

Heavy emphasis of abstinence has never worked to deter pregnancy and disease. In fact, states with an absence of comprehensive sex education programs have higher rates of unintended pregnancy and STIS.

No, it's a lack or morals and ethics. What is hard to hold yourself out, that shows a lack of self control. Self control is always an option because we have the cognitive ability to do so.

 

[Doctopian]

Those arguments would only be idiotic if the person posing them claims to have some sort of moral high ground.

Despite my stance on the issue, I do feel that many in the pro choice camp have to use rhetoric to hoodwink themselves into believing that the act of abortion isn't immoral (assuming that part of your moral framework is the preservation of human life). Whatever largely arbitrary definition you give to the word "human" the fact of the matter is that those cells will grow into a human baby if left unmolested.

 

[7figz]

It's funny how people think they should have a say in other peoples' family planning.

The most you're entitled to is an opinion but thinking you should make the call is some arrogant shit.

 

[Ajackson17]

No one discussed abstinence? Self control should be more preached in the culture well any culture.

Heavy emphasis of abstinence has never worked to deter pregnancy and disease. In fact, states with an absence of comprehensive sex education programs have higher rates of unintended pregnancy and STIS.

No, it's a lack or morals and ethics. What is hard to hold yourself out, that shows a lack of self control. Self control is always an option because we have the cognitive ability to do so.

People are sexual creatures who have sexual urges. Abstinence doesn't make a person more moral or ethical than others than those that choose to act on their desires. It can be an individual choice, but I don't see why it should be forced on people and preached in the culture--especially when statistics and studies show it's not helpful in preventing widespread pregnancy or diseases.

We have urges, we have the urge for harming others, the urges for hunger, etc but we also have logic and reason and we can make decisions for ourselves. Allowing ourselves for sexual freedom has done nothing to help us and actually spread diseases. I haven't seen one inkling of proof that proved abstinence cannot be achieved.

 

I am somewhat indifferent in relation to the matter beyond my personal belief for myself.

I have never had one and plan on keeping it that way, I just couldn't. It is important to discuss possible outcomes and options with your partner prior to beginning a sexual relationship. Definitely a subject where you want to have a mutual understanding and see eye to eye.

Prevention>>>Solution

 

[7figz]

No one discussed abstinence? Self control should be more preached in the culture well any culture.

Heavy emphasis of abstinence has never worked to deter pregnancy and disease. In fact, states with an absence of comprehensive sex education programs have higher rates of unintended pregnancy and STIS.

No, it's a lack or morals and ethics. What is hard to hold yourself out, that shows a lack of self control. Self control is always an option because we have the cognitive ability to do so.

So having sex means you lack morals, ethics, and self control ?

 

[Ajackson17]

No one discussed abstinence? Self control should be more preached in the culture well any culture.

Heavy emphasis of abstinence has never worked to deter pregnancy and disease. In fact, states with an absence of comprehensive sex education programs have higher rates of unintended pregnancy and STIS.

No, it's a lack or morals and ethics. What is hard to hold yourself out, that shows a lack of self control. Self control is always an option because we have the cognitive ability to do so.

So having sex means you lack morals, ethics, and self control ?

Having sex irresponsible, multiple partners, having multiple kids without support, not bettering yourself, etc. That's where the lack of morals come from. Now if you are married on in a long term committed relationship and you can take on the responsibility of having children not spreading stds, etc than that's where the responsibility and morals and ethics come from.

 

[Matt-]

It's funny how people think they should have a say in other peoples' family planning.

The most you're entitled to is an opinion but thinking you should make the call is some arrogant shit.

doesn't the government aka the people already do this when they take a child from a home that they deem is unfit. Doesn't the courts do this when they decide custody. People involving themselves in other people's families already happens, even if its not in the exact same way as being discussed here.

 

[Purr]

No one discussed abstinence? Self control should be more preached in the culture well any culture.

Heavy emphasis of abstinence has never worked to deter pregnancy and disease. In fact, states with an absence of comprehensive sex education programs have higher rates of unintended pregnancy and STIS.

No, it's a lack or morals and ethics. What is hard to hold yourself out, that shows a lack of self control. Self control is always an option because we have the cognitive ability to do so.

People are sexual creatures who have sexual urges. Abstinence doesn't make a person more moral or ethical than others than those that choose to act on their desires. It can be an individual choice, but I don't see why it should be forced on people and preached in the culture--especially when statistics and studies show it's not helpful in preventing widespread pregnancy or diseases.

We have urges, we have the urge for harming others, the urges for hunger, etc but we also have logic and reason and we can make decisions for ourselves. Allowing ourselves for sexual freedom has done nothing to help us and actually spread diseases. I haven't seen one inkling of proof that proved abstinence cannot be achieved.

Abstinence does not work one hundred percent of the time for people.

Sex education is the key on curbing pregnancy amongst men and women. Many people are not educated like most people on the IC.

So, how would you arrongantly state that they should be abstinent with their sexuality, when most do not have alternate information to stop pregnancy or getting a STI/STIs.

Majority of people in America do not have health insurance, and most clinics are flooded with people waiting in line at 4am to see a doctor at 8am when the health clinic is open. Or places like planned parenthood are going under due to people and their faux morality on abortion.

Out of the care that planned parenthood give,only 3% are abortions, and they encourage the woman to think about options to keep the child. Give the woman information on places that can help them with keeping the child and free medical help during the pregnancy.

Education is key on curbing unwanted pregnancy and STIs.

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

Black people can afford condoms. Condonms are pretty damn effective.

 

[Purr]

Abstinence does not work one hundred percent of the time for people.

Sex education is the key on curbing pregnancy amongst men and women. Many people are not educated like most people on the IC.

So, how would you arrongantly state that they should be abstinent with their sexuality, when most do not have alternate information to stop pregnancy or getting a STI/STIs.

Majority of people in America do not have health insurance, and most clinics are flooded with people waiting in line at 4am to see a doctor at 8am when the health clinic is open. Or places like planned parenthood are going under due to people and their faux morality on abortion.

Out of the care that planned parenthood give,only 3% are abortions, and they encourage the woman to think about options to keep the child. Give the woman information on places that can help them with keeping the child and free medical help during the pregnancy.

Education is key on curbing unwanted pregnancy and STIs.

My nigga, you gotta reword that. Cause unless we talkin about The Virgin Mary, you really ain't proving that

Teaching abstinence does not work to curb pregnancy or getting STIs.

 

[7figz]

It's funny how people think they should have a say in other peoples' family planning.

The most you're entitled to is an opinion but thinking you should make the call is some arrogant shit.

doesn't the government aka the people already do this when they take a child from a home that they deem is unfit. Doesn't the courts do this when they decide custody. People involving themselves in other people's families already happens, even if its not in the exact same way as being discussed here.

True however:

1. That's the government - and not that it works, but that person was elected to make decisions that affect other people.

2. That's an existing family, not family planning.

What if vegeterians decided that everyone else shouldn't be eating meat ?

 

[7figz]

As far as the abstinence conversation - they talk about that shit but for most people, it's unrealistic. All these rear-view assertions on how it could have been prevented don't deal with what happens after it's already occurred.

And still don't see how it's anybody else' business whether someone aborts their own potential child?

I have a feeling a lot pro-lifer's stances are rooted in religious beliefs.

 

[skpjr78]

Black people can afford condoms. Condonms are pretty damn effective.

even if you cant afford condoms guess what. YOU CAN GET THEM FOR FREE!!!!!!!! local county and campus health offices give them away. and if you cant make it to the campus health office they available in the dorms. the main office in my dorm had them behind the counter next to the toilet paper. all you had to do was ask. i know this b/c i have taken advantage of these FREE services multiple times.

there are no excuses. i understand that abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent pregnancies and STDs but i cant honestly expect someone to do something i know that i am totally 100% incapable of doing myself. condoms are 98% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancies when used correctly (unless you are lou cipher and you are to fucking stupid to know what the word CORRECTLY means). i'll take those odds. if we could prevent 98% of unwanted pregnancies the abortion question will take care of itself. and reducing your risk of catching an STD is a pretty good side effect

 

[Ajackson17]

No one discussed abstinence? Self control should be more preached in the culture well any culture.

Heavy emphasis of abstinence has never worked to deter pregnancy and disease. In fact, states with an absence of comprehensive sex education programs have higher rates of unintended pregnancy and STIS.

No, it's a lack or morals and ethics. What is hard to hold yourself out, that shows a lack of self control. Self control is always an option because we have the cognitive ability to do so.

People are sexual creatures who have sexual urges. Abstinence doesn't make a person more moral or ethical than others than those that choose to act on their desires. It can be an individual choice, but I don't see why it should be forced on people and preached in the culture--especially when statistics and studies show it's not helpful in preventing widespread pregnancy or diseases.

We have urges, we have the urge for harming others, the urges for hunger, etc but we also have logic and reason and we can make decisions for ourselves. Allowing ourselves for sexual freedom has done nothing to help us and actually spread diseases. I haven't seen one inkling of proof that proved abstinence cannot be achieved.

It's not mutually exclusive--multiple partners (sexual freedom), lack of health care services, as well as people being unaware how to use contraceptives are contributing factors to diseases--the latter moreso than the former. I haven't seen one piece of evidence that says that abstinence is working--60% of teens who have comprehensive sexual education are less likely to get pregnant. Kids who have abstinence only education are more likely to deter from using condoms or the pill when they DO have sex. What more proof do you need to show you that telling people to keep their zippers closed and ignorant about sex isn't working?

I'm for all of that, but we just throw out abstinence and lack of self restraint. Is it that so hard, that people cannot control themselves? Is it?