Whats Your Thoughts On Abortion?

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& to be fair, i think men should be able to opt out of child support too.

not because i advocate people not supporting their kids, but because once we see that courts/society ain't biased & judges people based on their actual ability (and/or INability) to parent we'll see a lot more people not being reckless with their genitalia....cuz there won't be any courts to fall back on that enable the bullshit.
 
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Im Pro Abortion, aslong as people are willing to think their situation through (which is impossible to enforce, but we dont live in a perfect world). People need that option. A birth can change lives dramatically, leaving them in situations they dont want to be in. Financially they could be vulnrable leaving the state or country to pay out benefits in order to have the child. Another note, They are also forced into Parenthood, and how are they going to raise a child if they arent ready for it?

of course if kids were more better informed in birth control, given the right information in schools. it would cut down the problem.

Stupot0607 for Mayor.
 
atribecalledgabi;5385487 said:
& to be fair, i think men should be able to opt out of child support too.

not because i advocate people not supporting their kids, but because once we see that courts/society ain't biased & judges people based on their actual ability (and/or INability) to parent we'll see a lot more people not being reckless with their genitalia....cuz there won't be any courts to fall back on that enable the bullshit.

So basically you want to force people to be responsible by not having a safety nets which averts consequences for irresponsible. Are you a libertarian?

 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385441 said:
jono;5385421 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385406 said:
@jono



Typically yes, but typical doesn't represent always.


Harm can take place without anyone knowing it happened, harm can occur without someone ever claiming it.

Just look at how many decades went by with cigarettes leading and causing deaths yet no one knew that it was. So there was no claim, but obviously harm had taken place.

A collection of human cells doesn't always grow into human life either.

The doctor's oath is a contract between the doctor and the patient, unless a collection of cells can be a patient, which it can't be, then pregnancy is just a condition that abortion cures.

A patient, or the family of said patient has to claim harm caused in order for it to be so. That situation is between doctor and patient, not third parties. So even if you assume that cells are human life, they don't have any legal standing.

A doctor's oath isn't just to the patient, it's to the practice and ethics of medicine. It's not a legal standing but an ethical one in regards to doctors.

Also, who is it that determine when a life is human and what is it based on? I'm not sure there is an accepted standard for what constitutes the beginning of human life in regards to abortion proceedings.

I didn't say the oath was only to the patient, but the patient is the beneficiary of that oath.

And if you don't know the standard for life, then why are you arguing on behalf of some human life standard?
 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385511 said:
atribecalledgabi;5385487 said:
& to be fair, i think men should be able to opt out of child support too.

not because i advocate people not supporting their kids, but because once we see that courts/society ain't biased & judges people based on their actual ability (and/or INability) to parent we'll see a lot more people not being reckless with their genitalia....cuz there won't be any courts to fall back on that enable the bullshit.

lol this is just dumb.

says the nigga who said why do you need to be a patient to sue for malpractice....carry on
 
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affiliatemoney101;5385503 said:
atribecalledgabi;5385487 said:
& to be fair, i think men should be able to opt out of child support too.

not because i advocate people not supporting their kids, but because once we see that courts/society ain't biased & judges people based on their actual ability (and/or INability) to parent we'll see a lot more people not being reckless with their genitalia....cuz there won't be any courts to fall back on that enable the bullshit.

So basically you want to force people to be responsible by not having a safety nets which averts consequences for irresponsible. Are you a libertarian?

i have no idea...lol

never thought about it

 
So when a woman decides to have an abortion against the fathers will - its pro-choice and has the full right because it is her body making the final decision.

When a woman decides to keep the baby and the father wants no part of the childs life once it's born - he's a bum, watless, a deadbeat and accountable to child support via legal routes, etc...

Corey Holcomb made a joke about this topic and had me thinking....there's more women out there that have more bodies then dudes sittin in jail right now - sad abortion is like the number one form of 'birth control' out here. NF (no feelings).
 
atribecalledgabi;5385526 said:
affiliatemoney101;5385503 said:
atribecalledgabi;5385487 said:
& to be fair, i think men should be able to opt out of child support too.

not because i advocate people not supporting their kids, but because once we see that courts/society ain't biased & judges people based on their actual ability (and/or INability) to parent we'll see a lot more people not being reckless with their genitalia....cuz there won't be any courts to fall back on that enable the bullshit.

So basically you want to force people to be responsible by not having a safety nets which averts consequences for irresponsible. Are you a libertarian?

i have no idea...lol

never thought about it

Oh ok, you just sounded a lot like one. Since you never really thought about your opinion aligning with any political ideology that means you think for yourself so that's great. Another GOAT from me.

 
Funny you should mention this. Some bitch I fucked a minute ago is preggo. Condom broke while I was fucking her(Never use fucking trojans always magnums). Long story short she drinks and smokes like shit and its already like four months but wont get an abortion. Real tempted to punch her in her fucking stomach.
 
what if the man wants to keep his baby. Where are his reproductive rights.? What if he does not want a baby and the woman does why should he then have to pay child support.
 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385770 said:
^Aren't magnums Trojans? That's like saying I never wear Nike, only Jordans :-/

Yeah but Im saying I didn't have the magnums but the regular trojan ultra thin bullshit.
 
Where do I start? Hmmm.....

First of all, abortion is a natural process. Dead baby in your womb? Miscarriage? Those are abortions. Usually the result of somekind of malformation occurring (like, if there's a deficient chromosome, or defective gene that causes the whole embryological development to stop or go totally awry). Plenty of miscarriages, believe it or not, are resultant from the baby having Down Syndrome (having a third Chromosome 21).

So it's not like abortion is some aberration that modern humans have invented to make life convenient. It's a natural process of our bodies deciding that this one isn't gonna work.

"That bread your baking in the oven isn't gonna cook right at this temperature...so start again, bish"

Also, abortion has been going on for hundreds of years, if not longer. Chemically-induced abortions have been occurring for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. I've read papers in my history classes in undergrad of women drinking cocktails that would induce abortions in the early days of the Ottoman Empire.

So that should dampen the argument about it being something recent, and something that is being held down by religion. The courts would sometimes decree the woman to drink the cocktail, and the Ottoman courts were all religious (whether the court was Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish). It just wasn't as common b/c extramarital sex was probably less common than it is now (a product of the culture moreso than religion).

Now, if we're to speak on the ethical duties of a medical practitioner, well, the idea of "Do no harm" calls under the ethical principle of Nonmaleficence, where the concept of do no harm is philosophically utilitarian. Thus, if the benefits of an intervention for any reason outweigh the risks, a patient may make an informed decision to proceed (most surgeries and medications call into this category).

If a patient desires an unnecessary procedure (like an abortion where her health isn't at risk), the physician really only has to understand the patients concerns and try to address those concerns. The physician will discuss with the patient why they want to do it, and if they understand the risks and consequences of their decision (informed consent of the patient). If the patient understands, and is over the age of 17, then the physician will proceed. If they are under the age of 17, then the parents are brought in to provide consent to the physician, and have to be notified at least 48 hours prior to the procedure taking place (the age of consent may vary from state to state)

The physician's first duty is to his/her patient. And in most cases, that's the patient who is pregnant. Unfortunately, the fetus comes second. The physician will take every precaution to make sure the fetus is healthy and growing according to standard developmental milestones, but it's always the health of the mother that comes first.

All that said...if you don't want a surgical procedure to take the fetus out, when you have an abortion, the doctor's gonna give you two drugs: misoprostol and mifepristone.

Mifepristone will block progesterone from working on the uterus. Progesterone is necessary for the thickening of the uteran walls and the cervix, so more sperm can't climb up, and makes the environment more hostile to another fetus developing. So by blocking it, you make the environment hostile to the developing fetus.

And Misoprostol will dilate the cervix, so that baby can pop out.

Of course, these drugs are generally given together to induce abortion within the first 50 days of pregnancy.
 
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JG's Legal Adviser;5385585 said:
Get some riddalin for your ADD so you don't fuck up so much in comprehending what you read.

It's "Ritalin" and "ADHD". ADD is no longer used a clinical term.

 
why do people make exceptions for abortion? if you don't think an innocent life should be taken in the womb why does it matter how it was conceived? is the child who's the product of rape or has abnormalities less important/more disposable than a child conceived with consent? keep it consistent.
 
Oh shit, Joker got a serious thread here. Well damn man, the weed man must not have re up'd yet.

To answer thread...depending on the situation. Each is unique and the decision should be left to the parents.
 
Dr.Chemix;5385835 said:
Oh shit, Joker got a serious thread here. Well damn man, the weed man must not have re up'd yet.

To answer thread...depending on the situation. Each is unique and the decision should be left to the parents.

Been a dry weekend
 

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