What Should We Do In Order To Stop Police Abuse But in a Progressive Way?

[Meta_Conscious]

When it comes to securing your freedom taking any means off the table is a non-starter. Making excuses for pigs such as, "you'd do the same" (which isn't true) is indicative of a person who really doe snot want to find a solution.

We would never tell a scientist, "hey, I want you to figure out a way to get to Mars. but you cant use, this type of fuel, this type of space shuttle material or this type of astronaut." The only answer to your question is, "WHATEVER WAY HASNT BEEN TRIED AND WHATEVER WAY WORKS."

Killing cops has not been tried. Justice through the court system has and failed.

Riots in Los Angeles worked. Out of the ashes of the riots came Civilian Oversight. Crackers love to say, "OH A BUNCH OF NIGGERS DESTROYED THEIR COMMUNITY." What they dont mention is that blacks didnt own anything in those communities anyway. And if it wasnt for the rioting the Chief of Police Daryl Gates and the Govoner Pete Wilson wouldnt have gotten ousted.

So YES violence HAS been proven to work more often then has the American Justice system.

Ask yourself: Why do whites celebrate gaining freedom through violence? (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1 & 2, etc) But when blacks so much as hint at it whites piss their self?

Why are white kids taught that their violent white heroes but black kids arent taught about those who died in the fight to secure their freedom? Because them crackers know violence CAN work. You dont need to win the war. You just need the other side to know you're willing to fight one. Its not about winning physically, violence disrupts the flow of money, it keepps cracker in their homes and NOT spending money...so saying killing doesnt help is bullshit. History shows it does but only when you have the support of the masses. Cant be one pissed off dude.

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Add the riots in Cincinnati 2001 worked...

 

[jono]

the thing about police work is that if proper measures are not taken, they job can turn good intentioned folks into Dirty Harry...

According to the cop killers besides being cop killers they are the most gentle, cheerful, happy go lucky, baby kissing loving individuals ever. They never have bad days, people never get on their nerves, they never misplace anger or feel frustration, their lives are all brownies and milk...according to them.

 

[LUClEN]

I think the problem is that not everyone is armed

When you have some members of a country that are armed and others that aren't it makes the people privileged enough to legally carry arms more powerful

By systematically preventing certain people from owning and carrying firearms or other weapons the trend of those with arms abusing their power without punishment will not be fixed

The problem might be fixed if either no one has weapons or everyone does, that way you do not have people with them using them against those who do not

Norway and England have already disarmed most of their police and have much less civilian casualties and gun violence than the US

If power is guaranteed to corrupt then taking it away seems a sure solution

 

[DarcSkies]

When it comes to securing your freedom taking any means off the table is a non-starter. Making excuses for pigs such as, "you'd do the same" (which isn't true) is indicative of a person who really doe snot want to find a solution.

We would never tell a scientist, "hey, I want you to figure out a way to get to Mars. but you cant use, this type of fuel, this type of space shuttle material or this type of astronaut." The only answer to your question is, "WHATEVER WAY HASNT BEEN TRIED AND WHATEVER WAY WORKS."

Killing cops has not been tried. Justice through the court system has and failed.

Riots in Los Angeles worked. Out of the ashes of the riots came Civilian Oversight. Crackers love to say, "OH A BUNCH OF NIGGERS DESTROYED THEIR COMMUNITY." What they dont mention is that blacks didnt own anything in those communities anyway. And if it wasnt for the rioting the Chief of Police Daryl Gates and the Govoner Pete Wilson wouldnt have gotten ousted.

So YES violence HAS been proven to work more often then has the American Justice system.

Ask yourself: Why do whites celebrate gaining freedom through violence? (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1 & 2, etc) But when blacks so much as hint at it whites piss their self?

Why are white kids taught that their violent white heroes but black kids arent taught about those who died in the fight to secure their freedom? Because them crackers know violence CAN work. You dont need to win the war. You just need the other side to know you're willing to fight one. Its not about winning physically, violence disrupts the flow of money, it keepps cracker in their homes and NOT spending money...so saying killing doesnt help is bullshit. History shows it does but only when you have the support of the masses. Cant be one pissed off dude.

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Add the riots in Cincinnati 2001 worked...

In what ways? I remember the rioting but not the aftermath.

Also, I didnt answer the thread question. My answer to the thread is applying pressure on all fronts.

1. More black involvement at the polls. The democrat party doesnt give a shit about us because no mattere what they do we'll vote for them anyway. Republicans dont think they can get any of us to vote for them so they could give a shit either. We're left with no major representation in the Senate which is the most important branch.

2. Less black abortions (there is power in numbers...just ask the Hispanics).

3. More willingness to put our asses on the line for important things. Putting violence on the table is something ALL people have done world wide when it becomes apparent that the system is rigged against them.

Cops are the way they are because there is no resistance. Best believe if there was a chance a police station would suddenly catch on fire or the community would step in when they saw a cop using unlawful force they'd tread lightly. But they know we're scared so they bully.

Bottom line is its about blacks having more self-esteem and being a unit instead of what we are. Just a collection of pissed off young people.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

after the Cincinnati riots, the city, the feds, the police, and the citizens created what is known as the Collaborative Agreement to address citizen concerns, foster cooperation, and commit to problem oriented policing.

 

[Plutarch]

When it comes to securing your freedom taking any means off the table is a non-starter.

Hm. I don't even think that that's relevant. Imo, what is more relevant is that one focus on the most reasonable, productive, viable means. Are you saying that one should spend serious time considering means that are clearly the stupidest and most unreasonable and impossible?

Making excuses for pigs such as, "you'd do the same" (which isn't true) is indicative of a person who really doe snot want to find a solution.

Wow, you're distorting my viewpoint (you didn't quote me, but I'm assuming that you're talking about me, but if not, then pay me no attention). That "excuse" was a very small part of my argument, and it's function was not to excuse cops but instead to understand what they do. And I disagree with your point that my point is not true. And I disagree with your point that I do not want to find a solution. That makes no sense, or was it hyperbolic?

We would never tell a scientist, "hey, I want you to figure out a way to get to Mars. but you cant use, this type of fuel, this type of space shuttle material or this type of astronaut." The only answer to your question is, "WHATEVER WAY HASNT BEEN TRIED AND WHATEVER WAY WORKS."

Ok, this might just be me, but I'm having a hard time understanding your analogy, probably because of the way you've written it. Where is the question, and who's talking and to whom?

If I'm understanding your intended point (which I'm only vaguely understanding) correctly, your analogy seems to not be one that is parallel to anything that I'm saying.

Killing cops has not been tried.

But it has? From past times way back to Dorner, right?

Justice through the court system has and failed.

Yes and no. Justice through the court system has failed, and justice through the court system has not failed. But if your point is that our court system is need of desperate reformation, then, yeah, I 100% agree. Who wouldn't? I hope that you're not saying that we should give up on our court system? If so, then I disagree.

Riots in Los Angeles worked.

Hm...

Out of the ashes of the riots came Civilian Oversight. Crackers love to say, "OH A BUNCH OF NIGGERS DESTROYED THEIR COMMUNITY." What they dont mention is that blacks didnt own anything in those communities anyway. And if it wasnt for the rioting the Chief of Police Daryl Gates and the Govoner Pete Wilson wouldnt have gotten ousted.

I agree and disagree. Even if what you said was true, I still think that there were either better ways to organize the riot (if that makes sense) or even better ways to produce said results entirely without a riot. Just because the riot produced some good (and let's not forget the bad!) doesn't mean that we should try it again.

So YES violence HAS been proven to work more often then has the American Justice system.

It seems to me that you've made a counterargument to an argument that I never made.

Ask yourself: Why do whites celebrate gaining freedom through violence? (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1 & 2, etc) But when blacks so much as hint at it whites piss their self?

Uh. That's a pretty vague statement. I can only answer with just as much vagueness which wouldn't say much and is not my style at all. Meh, whites don't like violence. Whites are already comfortable in American society, and when they're not (such as their freedoms being taken away), most of them are too pussy to resort to violence. Otherwise, they (the American majority) would be fucking up shit (imagine if blacks were the majority) with their hatred for Obama and all things non-white. They steady resort to lawsuits before they would ever get into some gangster shit.

As for your second question, the answer's obvious, right? It shakes them out of their privileged, comfort zone.

Why are white kids taught that their violent white heroes but black kids arent taught about those who died in the fight to secure their freedom? Because them crackers know violence CAN work. You dont need to win the war. You just need the other side to know you're willing to fight one. Its not about winning physically, violence disrupts the flow of money, it keepps cracker in their homes and NOT spending money...so saying killing doesnt help is bullshit. History shows it does but only when you have the support of the masses. Cant be one pissed off dude.

Bruh, it's like you're arguing points that I've never made. At least it seems that way. Violence works? Yes, it can. But that doesn't mean that you should readily commit to it. I believe that, in many times, there are better alternatives. Your reference to the Revolutionary War, Civil War, etc. and "violent white heroes" (whatever the hell that means) are legitimate, and I have no beef with that, especially when I say that violence should be your last resort. So I don't understand your disagreement, if there is any.

Killing doesn't help? I didn't necessarily make that argument. Like I said, I believe in violence, especially when it's self-defense. But unprovoked killing? Killing purely based on hatred? That type of violence is, for the lack of a better word, stupid. So, it depends, of course.

Also, your point about the support of masses for violence sounds dangerously close to mob violence, which is also stupid.

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fuck it, if you need a titangraph to say what you want to say, go for it. fuck the ic and its non-reading, illiterate ass. no one's forcing you to read anybody else's shit. just keep it moving.

 

[Plutarch]

When it comes to securing your freedom taking any means off the table is a non-starter.

Hm. I don't even think that that's relevant. Imo, what is more relevant is that one focus on the most reasonable, productive, viable means. Are you saying that one should spend serious time considering means that are clearly the stupidest and most unreasonable and impossible?

Making excuses for pigs such as, "you'd do the same" (which isn't true) is indicative of a person who really doe snot want to find a solution.

Wow, you're distorting my viewpoint (you didn't quote me, but I'm assuming that you're talking about me, but if not, then pay me no attention). That "excuse" was a very small part of my argument, and it's function was not to excuse cops but instead to understand what they do. And I disagree with your point that my point is not true. And I disagree with your point that I do not want to find a solution. That makes no sense, or was it hyperbolic?

We would never tell a scientist, "hey, I want you to figure out a way to get to Mars. but you cant use, this type of fuel, this type of space shuttle material or this type of astronaut." The only answer to your question is, "WHATEVER WAY HASNT BEEN TRIED AND WHATEVER WAY WORKS."

Ok, this might just be me, but I'm having a hard time understanding your analogy, probably because of the way you've written it. Where is the question, and who's talking and to whom?

If I'm understanding your intended point (which I'm only vaguely understanding) correctly, your analogy seems to not be one that is parallel to anything that I'm saying.

 

[Plutarch]

Killing cops has not been tried.

But it has? From past times way back to Dorner, right?

Justice through the court system has and failed.

Yes and no. Justice through the court system has failed, and justice through the court system has not failed. But if your point is that our court system is need of desperate reformation, then, yeah, I 100% agree. Who wouldn't? I hope that you're not saying that we should give up on our court system? If so, then I disagree.

Riots in Los Angeles worked.

Hm...

Out of the ashes of the riots came Civilian Oversight. Crackers love to say, "OH A BUNCH OF NIGGERS DESTROYED THEIR COMMUNITY." What they dont mention is that blacks didnt own anything in those communities anyway. And if it wasnt for the rioting the Chief of Police Daryl Gates and the Govoner Pete Wilson wouldnt have gotten ousted.

I agree and disagree. Even if what you said was true, I still think that there were either better ways to organize the riot (if that makes sense) or even better ways to produce said results entirely without a riot. Just because the riot produced some good (and let's not forget the bad!) doesn't mean that we should try it again.

So YES violence HAS been proven to work more often then has the American Justice system.

It seems to me that you've made a counterargument to an argument that I never made.

 

[Plutarch]

Ask yourself: Why do whites celebrate gaining freedom through violence? (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1 & 2, etc) But when blacks so much as hint at it whites piss their self?

Uh. That's a pretty vague statement. I can only answer with just as much vagueness which wouldn't say much and is not my style at all. Meh, whites don't like violence. Whites are already comfortable in American society, and when they're not (such as their freedoms being taken away), most of them are too pussy to resort to violence. Otherwise, they (the American majority) would be fucking up shit (imagine if blacks were the majority) with their hatred for Obama and all things non-white. They steady resort to lawsuits before they would ever get into some gangster shit.

As for your second question, the answer's obvious, right? It shakes them out of their privileged, comfort zone.

Why are white kids taught that their violent white heroes but black kids arent taught about those who died in the fight to secure their freedom? Because them crackers know violence CAN work. You dont need to win the war. You just need the other side to know you're willing to fight one. Its not about winning physically, violence disrupts the flow of money, it keepps cracker in their homes and NOT spending money...so saying killing doesnt help is bullshit. History shows it does but only when you have the support of the masses. Cant be one pissed off dude.

Bruh, it's like you're arguing points that I've never made. At least it seems that way. Violence works? Yes, it can. But that doesn't mean that you should readily commit to it. I believe that, in many times, there are better alternatives. Your reference to the Revolutionary War, Civil War, etc. and "violent white heroes" (whatever the hell that means) are legitimate, and I have no beef with that, especially when I say that violence should be your last resort. So I don't understand your disagreement, if there is any.

Killing doesn't help? I didn't necessarily make that argument. Like I said, I believe in violence, especially when it's self-defense. But unprovoked killing? Killing purely based on hatred? That type of violence is, for the lack of a better word, stupid. So, it depends, of course.

Also, your point about the support of masses for violence sounds dangerously close to mob violence, which is also stupid.

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fuck it, if you need a titangraph to say what you want to say, go for it. fuck the ic and its non-reading, illiterate ass. no one's forcing you to read anybody else's shit. just keep it moving.[/quote]

 

[Plutarch]

I think the problem is that not everyone is armed

When you have some members of a country that are armed and others that aren't it makes the people privileged enough to legally carry arms more powerful

By systematically preventing certain people from owning and carrying firearms or other weapons the trend of those with arms abusing their power without punishment will not be fixed

The problem might be fixed if either no one has weapons or everyone does, that way you do not have people with them using them against those who do not

Norway and England have already disarmed most of their police and have much less civilian casualties and gun violence than the US

Huh. Wow, didn't know that. But the U.S. is never going to disarm its police. Never.

 

[Plutarch]

When it comes to securing your freedom taking any means off the table is a non-starter. Making excuses for pigs such as, "you'd do the same" (which isn't true) is indicative of a person who really doe snot want to find a solution.

We would never tell a scientist, "hey, I want you to figure out a way to get to Mars. but you cant use, this type of fuel, this type of space shuttle material or this type of astronaut." The only answer to your question is, "WHATEVER WAY HASNT BEEN TRIED AND WHATEVER WAY WORKS."

Killing cops has not been tried. Justice through the court system has and failed.

Riots in Los Angeles worked. Out of the ashes of the riots came Civilian Oversight. Crackers love to say, "OH A BUNCH OF NIGGERS DESTROYED THEIR COMMUNITY." What they dont mention is that blacks didnt own anything in those communities anyway. And if it wasnt for the rioting the Chief of Police Daryl Gates and the Govoner Pete Wilson wouldnt have gotten ousted.

So YES violence HAS been proven to work more often then has the American Justice system.

Ask yourself: Why do whites celebrate gaining freedom through violence? (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1 & 2, etc) But when blacks so much as hint at it whites piss their self?

Why are white kids taught that their violent white heroes but black kids arent taught about those who died in the fight to secure their freedom? Because them crackers know violence CAN work. You dont need to win the war. You just need the other side to know you're willing to fight one. Its not about winning physically, violence disrupts the flow of money, it keepps cracker in their homes and NOT spending money...so saying killing doesnt help is bullshit. History shows it does but only when you have the support of the masses. Cant be one pissed off dude.

*end titangraph*

Add the riots in Cincinnati 2001 worked...

In what ways? I remember the rioting but not the aftermath.

Also, I didnt answer the thread question. My answer to the thread is applying pressure on all fronts.

1. More black involvement at the polls. The democrat party doesnt give a shit about us because no mattere what they do we'll vote for them anyway. Republicans dont think they can get any of us to vote for them so they could give a shit either. We're left with no major representation in the Senate which is the most important branch.

2. Less black abortions (there is power in numbers...just ask the Hispanics).

3. More willingness to put our asses on the line for important things. Putting violence on the table is something ALL people have done world wide when it becomes apparent that the system is rigged against them.

Cops are the way they are because there is no resistance. Best believe if there was a chance a police station would suddenly catch on fire or the community would step in when they saw a cop using unlawful force they'd tread lightly. But they know we're scared so they bully.

Bottom line is its about blacks having more self-esteem and being a unit instead of what we are. Just a collection of pissed off young people.

See, this? I 95% agree with.

 

[GorillaWitAttitude]

Man Look

1. we gotta vote ppl into positions that wont tolerate cops treating ppl a certain way. (this may be far off point but local/district councilmen play a part into this situation. I'm not sure how it is around other parts of the country but here we vote district leaders into office...now if someone that's running comes around asking for the vote and that's pretty much the only time you see them, they get into office and in that same district/area an officer comes and beats the shit outta a resident or does a wrongful thing in the community, that elected official is no where to be found to speak up about the situation. Someone has to hold these bad officers accountable for their actions...and I'm speaking on mayors as well but again it's too much politics involve when you start going higher up in the ranks and asking those in higher ranks to do things..

The mayor or that councilmen is buddy buddy with the sheriff or chief of police of that local department..so alot of things are overlooked off the strength of that..it's too much of a buddy buddy system when officials are elected..I say that because those ppl have voices and sit on these panels/sessions but yet pass over the topic of police brutality whenever it's brought up..I see it happen everyday down here..

If you have no money you have no say.

The ppl with the most money get to say the least shit

The ppl with the least money get to say the most shit

What money have to do when all I have to do is cast a vote to put a person in office who will address my issues and actually do it

Watch the vid? Dr. Claud explains it all fam.

 

[obnoxiouslyfresh]

Man Look

1. we gotta vote ppl into positions that wont tolerate cops treating ppl a certain way.

Applause for this brother!

 

[obnoxiouslyfresh]

It should be a proactive initiative rather than reactive but in the event you fall victim to police abuse, it will be a full commitment to see results but it's worth it. Start a paper trail, file a complaint, call for a supervisor & ombudsman , take it to their union , start legal motions, recite codes ( statutes which have been violate & infringed upon), document everything...photos, notes, dates, time, attire, etc. Documents go in their file & are discoverable for court, promotions , raises etc.

 

[MARIO_DRO]

COPS DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, EVEN WHILE BEING RECORDED.. AND THEY STILL KEEP THEIR JOB.. OR SUSPENDED WITH PAY.... SO THERE AINT SHYT THAT WE CAN DO

 

[Meta_Conscious]

COPS DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, EVEN WHILE BEING RECORDED.. AND THEY STILL KEEP THEIR JOB.. OR SUSPENDED WITH PAY.... SO THERE AINT SHYT THAT WE CAN DO

who u think pays them bruh?

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

We gotta,more or less buy that shit

From the 1500 hundreds to 200s, aibt shit change. Freedom ain't free its retail ( @bossboo )

Until we are in a position to where we can leverage our wants n needs financially to the point where we negatively effect peoples money, wont shit change.

Anything else is beating around the bush.

 

[Got Em Shook]

Any dickhead with a HS Diploma qualifies to be a cop. From day one I've always suggested they need to raise the qualifications. Shits too easy.

 

[jono]

The biggest issue is that the union prevents them from being sufficiently punished for these very major transgressions.

I'm a supporter of unions but when they protect people who dont deserve it then things need to change.

The ability to fire and properly prosecute the bad cops goes a long way towards helping normalize relations.

 

[LordZuko]

Niggas like Plutarch think they hella but in reality they have been educated to be stupid.

Because Black people have this habit of seeing ourselves as a group of individuals who just happen to have shared traits and not as we truly are, A Nation, we incorrectly frame issues like police violence.

Police violence is organized violence from one nation onto another. In other words it is a declaration of war.

You must ask yourself why police no matter where in America exercise this policy against Black people.

When you understand that it is purposeful, with an intent in mind you will understand how stupid it sounds to pretentiously declare that violence is off the table and not a viable option.

It's the only option we haven't tried.

There are many types of violence and I think we should think about them.

No people has ever gotten freedom or maintained freedom if they were not willing to kill or die for it.

Black people like Plutarch don't want to be free they just want to renegotiate the terms of their oppression.