What Should We Do In Order To Stop Police Abuse But in a Progressive Way?

[CracceR]

 

[Plutarch]

#3 is some bullshit. If a cop can't be professional in his duties, they shouldn't be a cop.

Hm. I'm not sure whether we are in a disagreement here. If a cop can't be professional, then he shouldn't be a cop? I agree. But my point was that it's possible (not saying it's always the case) that a cop can just be a jackass and still be a good cop. Being a jackass/asshole isn't the same as being unprofessional. Hm, or is it?

Ok, let me try to be more specific. A cop who curses and calls a dude whom he is arresting a "scumbag." Asshole behavior? Yes. Unprofessional? Maybe? But it's very possible that he can still do his job efficiently, right? You can't expect cops to be saints in their line of work. You can't. That's delusional. You could very well be an asshole if you were a cop and did what cops do.

Weak analogy: Bill Clinton cheated on his wife. Asshole. But he can still be a good president, right? No need to impeach him for cheating on his wife, though perjury is a legitimate excuse since that actually is a crime.

This is part of the problem. If you want to about talk being progressive, you can't accept their failure to do their jobs properly under the guise of "they're only human".

I don't know man. Yes and no. That's a thin line. It depends on what those failures are. If the cop isn't breaking rules/laws, it's not legal issue. Cursing and being an asshole is bad but not evil. Planting false evidence and excessive force is evil. You might've misunderstood my point.

All of your points seem to be dismissive of the bad cops out here. I don't see the "good cops" suffering at the hand of the "bad cops". I see the normal people everywhere suffering at the hands of most cops and a growing number of bad cops everyday so let's stop with the "good cop" shit because it's irrelevant.

Completely disagree. All respect to you, but imo you're the most biased against cops on this site. I am not an apologist. I hate cops too and have been abused by them myself, but I look at this issue rationally and objectively. At least, try to see that perspective and even the perspective of cops, good or bad. I honestly don't think that we disagree as nearly as you think.

Progressive would be holding each and every one of those pigs accountable for being abusive, including the ones who know about their fellow pigs doing fucked up shit and don't do anything to stop them.

I agree. I thought that I pointed that out too.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

This won't work. I had first hand experience. It's already in their head to think like that once they put on that uniform. How we see them won't change shit

notice I said "treat" not "see"...

stop their checks and see whats in there heads then.

 

[Plutarch]

You cant.

I disagree. Care to explain? At least some measures can be taken to better the situation, right?

U want progression then u X out the most progressive method. Smh, foh

Killing cops? Really? Care to explain how killing cops will be progressive?

You cant reason with the descendents of rapist and pillagers...

Yes lets try talking to the vikings.

I don't think that that's a particularly strong analogy. It's more hyperbolic than accurate.

Unbelievable me & @Plutarch‌ agree virtually 100% on this.

Heh, right on. Damn, it's good to know that I'm not alone on this. I think that you, I, and others (even if they're too scared to come out and be labelled as "cop lovers") are only applying logic, reason/rationality, and objectivity to this highly sensitive issue.

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

Have rallies and non violent movements. Like I said in my thread. http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...iolence-we-need-more-anti-violence-rallies/p1

Agreed. People sleep so much on nonviolence. Gandhi and MLK, to say the least, did so much just with nonviolence. It's takes more strength to not act out violently. Violence, on the other hand, is easy and primitive. And stupid. Violence should always be a last resort. And we're not there yet.[l/quote]

Very true, and I think we need more Black celebs and speakers to speak on it. In my opinion, we need more anti-violence rallies. Especially, in Detroit and Chicago plus Compton too because lots of minorities are there.

Lol @ thinking black celebs are gonna speak up on anything race related. Get real. Most of these spineless m'fuccas worship white ppl and wouldnt dare say anything to fuck up their $ flow. See the recent Bieber and Sterling incidents as one of MANY examples.

 

[BlackCat]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

This won't work. I had first hand experience. It's already in their head to think like that once they put on that uniform. How we see them won't change shit

notice I said "treat" not "see"...

stop their checks and see whats in there heads then.

Same thing. We talking about cops here. The Police will act like they always do regardless.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Op doesn't wany discussion just people to agree with him

 

[Knock_Twice]

Most cops (here) are civil service employees it may be called something else in other areas..bu here their jobs are protected (almost to the point where you can't fire them) and it's hard to fire an employee when they are civil service workers or in that type of situation..it's alot of red tape that is involved to get a cop badge revoke...the system is bad down here..don't know anywhere else..but you can have shit on 'tape' and that cop will still most likely keep his job and pay, or be 'transferred' to another area..to patrol...but he won't be fired but again those ppl that are/were put into these councilman/district/senator seats passed law so that it could be setup that way......it so bad here we give cops nicknames down here that everybody know...ppl know the crooked cops and what will happen if they catch you on that one way...

 

[Plutarch]

It's sad that the only people with discipline is the military.

Yeah, but only sometimes. Servicemen commit atrocities too. Also, when they fuck up, their penalties are harsher. The U.S. military and government do not fuck around when it comes to military insubordination. The backbone of this country is the military. You fuck around and catch a revolution. That's the government's worst nightmare, and it's happened everywhere else around the world. So cops aren't pressured like the military. But perhaps they should?

I like how cops go around and say they show discipline, but fuck up other families lives. Then, they want us to feel bad when one of their own gets off'ed. However, when it's a victim's family they bring up that the person is victimizing the department (NYPD & others) and other shit.

Cops are hypocritical assholes, though that applies to humans too. But imo, the cop fraternity culture is dangerous and the biggest factor. Those guys play that "us (good guys) vs. everyone else (bad guys) trope" and religiously believe in it. They're the biggest and most dangerous gang in America.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

This won't work. I had first hand experience. It's already in their head to think like that once they put on that uniform. How we see them won't change shit

notice I said "treat" not "see"...

stop their checks and see whats in there heads then.

Same thing. We talking about cops here. The Police will act like they always do regardless.

so u think that the police will still patrol the streets when they are relieved of their authority and paychecks?

c'mon son...

 

[Plutarch]

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

Agreed. Bring them niggas back down to earth.

start treating them like the employees they are. for some reason they have come to think of themselves as rulers or bosses...

they are not elected officials... they are workers and need to be treated as such.

I think pigs should be elected by the people they are supposed to serve.

Wouldn't that invite corruption, special interest, voter fraud, collusion, bribes, and other bad things?

 

[Plutarch]

Man Look

1. we gotta vote ppl into positions that wont tolerate cops treating ppl a certain way. (this may be far off point but local/district councilmen play a part into this situation. I'm not sure how it is around other parts of the country but here we vote district leaders into office...now if someone that's running comes around asking for the vote and that's pretty much the only time you see them, they get into office and in that same district/area an officer comes and beats the shit outta a resident or does a wrongful thing in the community, that elected official is no where to be found to speak up about the situation. Someone has to hold these bad officers accountable for their actions...and I'm speaking on mayors as well but again it's too much politics involve when you start going higher up in the ranks and asking those in higher ranks to do things..

The mayor or that councilmen is buddy buddy with the sheriff or chief of police of that local department..so alot of things are overlooked off the strength of that..it's too much of a buddy buddy system when officials are elected..I say that because those ppl have voices and sit on these panels/sessions but yet pass over the topic of police brutality whenever it's brought up..I see it happen everyday down here..

I think that that's a very important point. I wanted to bring up politicians too, but I'm not too knowledgeable about the relationship between the police and the politicians.

 

[VIBE]

1. Tougher entry into the police force. They need to undergo psychological evaluations. They need to be tested in situations that these cops find themselves in everyday; calm suspects that end up getting beaten or killed, for no reason. They need to undergo all this for at least two years.

2. Police cameras required on their person at all times while on duty. Rialto PD (in Cali, by me) have done this and their complaints have gone down 80% and hardly any incidents happen between police and civilian.

3. Non-leathal weapons for all police, no leathal weapons (unless they're responding to something big in which the suspects are heavily armed.)

4. Rules against physical violence; no chokehold, punching or hitting of any kind.

5. Public protests against the officers who end up doing bad shit. Picket signs w their names, badge # and faces showing who these guys are.

All this is gonna need to come from the public though. It's gonna take a huge number of ppl to voice this and change things. It really needs total reconstructure. Even within the judicial system.

 

[Plutarch]

I aint read the thread yet. But do what the black panthers did. Have an armed force going up and down the street. Cop pulls someone over? They would go and listen in on the situation. They would let the cop do his or her job and not interfere. They would just make sure the cop doesnt get disrespectful and doesnt step all over the rights of the person pulled over.

The cops on the otherhand, once they see an armed force of 3 people, would make sure to not over step his bounds.

The cops are here too protect whites from minorities, so you cant expect them to respect or protect you.

Yooo. I forgot about the Black Panthers and that shit. Yeah, power to the people. We would just need to make sure that no laws are broken, and that dumb "laws" (like making videotaping cops illegal) are abolished.

 

[GorillaWitAttitude]

It's sad that the only people with discipline is the military.

Yeah, but only sometimes. Servicemen commit atrocities too. Also, when they fuck up, their penalties are harsher. The U.S. military and government do not fuck around when it comes to military insubordination. The backbone of this country is the military. You fuck around and catch a revolution. That's the government's worst nightmare, and it's happened everywhere else around the world. So cops aren't pressured like the military. But perhaps they should?

I like how cops go around and say they show discipline, but fuck up other families lives. Then, they want us to feel bad when one of their own gets off'ed. However, when it's a victim's family they bring up that the person is victimizing the department (NYPD & others) and other shit.

Cops are hypocritical assholes, though that applies to humans too. But imo, the cop fraternity culture is dangerous and the biggest factor. Those guys play that "us (good guys) vs. everyone else (bad guys) trope" and religiously believe in it. They're the biggest and most dangerous gang in America.

Right on brotha

 

[Meta_Conscious]

the thing about police work is that if proper measures are not taken, they job can turn good intentioned folks into Dirty Harry...

 

[DarcSkies]

When it comes to securing your freedom taking any means off the table is a non-starter. Making excuses for pigs such as, "you'd do the same" (which isn't true) is indicative of a person who really doe snot want to find a solution.

We would never tell a scientist, "hey, I want you to figure out a way to get to Mars. but you cant use, this type of fuel, this type of space shuttle material or this type of astronaut." The only answer to your question is, "WHATEVER WAY HASNT BEEN TRIED AND WHATEVER WAY WORKS."

Killing cops has not been tried. Justice through the court system has and failed.

Riots in Los Angeles worked. Out of the ashes of the riots came Civilian Oversight. Crackers love to say, "OH A BUNCH OF NIGGERS DESTROYED THEIR COMMUNITY." What they dont mention is that blacks didnt own anything in those communities anyway. And if it wasnt for the rioting the Chief of Police Daryl Gates and the Govoner Pete Wilson wouldnt have gotten ousted.

So YES violence HAS been proven to work more often then has the American Justice system.

Ask yourself: Why do whites celebrate gaining freedom through violence? (Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1 & 2, etc) But when blacks so much as hint at it whites piss their self?

Why are white kids taught that their violent white heroes but black kids arent taught about those who died in the fight to secure their freedom? Because them crackers know violence CAN work. You dont need to win the war. You just need the other side to know you're willing to fight one. Its not about winning physically, violence disrupts the flow of money, it keepps cracker in their homes and NOT spending money...so saying killing doesnt help is bullshit. History shows it does but only when you have the support of the masses. Cant be one pissed off dude.

*end titangraph*

 

[Dr. Stitch]

I aint read the thread yet. But do what the black panthers did. Have an armed force going up and down the street. Cop pulls someone over? They would go and listen in on the situation. They would let the cop do his or her job and not interfere. They would just make sure the cop doesnt get disrespectful and doesnt step all over the rights of the person pulled over.

The cops on the otherhand, once they see an armed force of 3 people, would make sure to not over step his bounds.

The cops are here too protect whites from minorities, so you cant expect them to respect or protect you.

Yooo. I forgot about the Black Panthers and that shit. Yeah, power to the people. We would just need to make sure that no laws are broken, and that dumb "laws" (like making videotaping cops illegal) are abolished.

They all carried law books with them when they left the house...

 

[Plutarch]

Op doesn't wany discussion just people to agree with him

Wait, what?

Or maybe you just posted this before I responded fairly to everyone that directly addressed my op? I took a half hour posting another thread and reading through the responses in this thread before I replied to anyone.

If you truly think that I don't want a discussion and am just shoving my opinion down everyone's throats, then you've got it ass-backwards. I'm all about discussion and argumentation. No one gets anywhere without having a reasonable debate with people who disagree with them. The key is to first understand points of view that differ from your own. I have no problem with admitting that I'm wrong, but I need the evidence. I just hope that others' don't have any problem admitting that they're wrong when the evidence is presented that indicates as much.

But still, we're men, and men are logical creatures, and I think that I'm looking at this issue logically, and others are too, so we should more or less be in more agreement than we are in disagreement. I honestly don't think that we disagree about this as much as some people may think, especially if they let go of their biases and bad personal experiences with the police.

 

[Plutarch]

1. Tougher entry into the police force. They need to undergo psychological evaluations. They need to be tested in situations that these cops find themselves in everyday; calm suspects that end up getting beaten or killed, for no reason. They need to undergo all this for at least two years.

2. Police cameras required on their person at all times while on duty. Rialto PD (in Cali, by me) have done this and their complaints have gone down 80% and hardly any incidents happen between police and civilian.

3. Non-leathal weapons for all police, no leathal weapons (unless they're responding to something big in which the suspects are heavily armed.)

4. Rules against physical violence; no chokehold, punching or hitting of any kind.

5. Public protests against the officers who end up doing bad shit. Picket signs w their names, badge # and faces showing who these guys are.

All this is gonna need to come from the public though. It's gonna take a huge number of ppl to voice this and change things. It really needs total reconstructure. Even within the judicial system.

100% agree. And this just seems purely logical/reasonable to me. I don't see how anyone could disagree. If I'm ignorant to any possible, legitimate criticisms here, just let a nigga know.