What New York Movement was the best rep for the City and held it down ???

[nyst8ofmin]

wu tng, beatminers, primo, native tongue.
i cant call it.

there is a lot of consistency in those crews u named

 

[DMTxTHC]

My first choice is the Wu-Tang Clan, they helped bring the East back when we were very irrelevant, not to mention they produced numerous classic albums and songs.

My second choice is a tie between Bad Boy and Ruff Ryders...

Bad Boy built off the Wu-Tang's success and further catapulted the East Coast back, on a commercial level. Bad Boy is responsible for pushing out classics by Biggie, and is responsible for some of Hip-Hop's most memorable moments from the 1990s, such as being forever linked to Hip-Hop's most notorious feud, the Easy-West rivalry. BUT, Bad Boy became highly commercial, and New York lost our signature Hardcore edge because of Bad Boy...

Ruff Ryders main artist was DMX, DMX brought that grittiness back into the game, from a East Coast standpoint, and brought that hardcore feel back to the mainstream. Another thing Bad Boy doesn't get credited for is helping DMX gain a buzz, being featured on songs such as 24 Hours to Live by Ma$e and Money, Power Respect by The L.O.X....Plus Ruff Ryders produced many great albums such as DMX's debut and Styles P's debut, and to a lesser extent Jadakiss' sophomore album. The RR helped us get back our identity.

The Juice Crew and the Diplomats are third.
Simply because they were camps that were mostly or entirely based in one borough, and managed to push out numerous classics, and have a large following in New York, and outside of New York.

Every other movement is 4th/last

 

[Pond Scum]

I would have a lot of trouble picking just one let alone not most of those. I'd say all of them except Rough Ryders, Bad Boy, Dipset and G-Unit just based on my personal taste.

I'd also add 80's and early 90's Def Jam to that.

 

[H-Rap 180]

wu tng, beatminers, primo, native tongue.
i cant call it.

there is a lot of consistency in those crews u named

Pick the one that you feel is the best representative of New York HipHop music who did the most to keep New york HipHop music alive and true to its essence.

 

[Already Home_17]

you can't go wrong with a lot of these choices,except for dipset
ruff ryders was my personal favorite

 

[ghost!]

you can't go wrong with a lot of these choices,except for dipset

ruff ryders was my personal favorite

yea u cant pick one, because you have to look at the era they represent and thats what made them special. There is no one above the either because without juice crew, BDP you dont have wu tang, or bad boys movement, and so on and so forth. They all represent for their eras and was essential to the whole hip hop and n.y. movement.

 

[H-Rap 180]

yea u cant pick one, because you have to look at the era they represent and thats what made them special. There is no one above the either because without juice crew, BDP you dont have wu tang, or bad boys movement, and so on and so forth. They all represent for their eras and was essential to the whole hip hop and n.y. movement.

Okay then pick the one that repped the hardest or pick the one that stayed truest to the NY sound or pick one that is your favorite.

 

[ghost!]

Okay then pick the one that repped the hardest or pick the one that stayed truest to the NY sound or pick one that is your favorite.

I cant pick one fav it, because Wu tang, Duck down and the def squad are my all time fav. And not because they rep new york at all, because they rep individuality. I dont look at hip hop in regions

In Wu never had a group come with so much talent to their whole crew and the use of old chinese movies was beyond genius, Duck down, dru ha and all them was just ill. I was a big fan of all they did and they way they said ish, plus them rocking Ecko before ecko blew up just went with their whole persona, and i was always a big fan of erik sermon's production and sounds; and having das efx, keith murry and redman (whole who were my fav artist at the time) just increased that all

and i dont even think def sqaud was really a movement like that compared to the impact some of the other crews had on hip hop.

 

[nyst8ofmin]

Pick the one that you feel is the best representative of New York HipHop music who did the most to keep New york HipHop music alive and true to its essence.

well, in regard to maintaining the 'essence' of hip hop, id have to say the beatminerz/boot camp.
and maybe the juice crew.
imo, they never put themselves in any compromising situations where there motives were questioned.---maybe a better way to explain it would be to say that they do the art for the sake of the art
but, thats just my opinion.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Okay then pick the one that repped the hardest or pick the one that stayed truest to the NY sound or pick one that is your favorite.

If that's the case then...WuTang Clan and Boot Camp Clik shits all over this...when it comes to staying truest to the New York sound..PERIOD.

 

[white715]

Don't forget Prince Paul he was doin early De la production

I'll have to go wit Wu or Native

 

[H-Rap 180]

I cant pick one fav it, because Wu tang, Duck down and the def squad are my all time fav. And not because they rep new york at all, because they rep individuality. I dont look at hip hop in regions

In Wu never had a group come with so much talent to their whole crew and the use of old chinese movies was beyond genius, Duck down, dru ha and all them was just ill. I was a big fan of all they did and they way they said ish, plus them rocking Ecko before ecko blew up just went with their whole persona, and i was always a big fan of erik sermon's production and sounds; and having das efx, keith murry and redman (whole who were my fav artist at the time) just increased that all

and i dont even think def sqaud was really a movement like that compared to the impact some of the other crews had on hip hop.

I included Def Squad because they were a collective with an ill NY producer at their core surrounded by skilled NY emcees like I articulated in the original post.

well, in regard to maintaining the 'essence' of hip hop, id have to say the beatminerz/boot camp.
and maybe the juice crew.
imo, they never put themselves in any compromising situations where there motives were questioned.---maybe a better way to explain it would be to say that they do the art for the sake of the art
but, thats just my opinion.

Duck-Down/BCC have always stayed true to the essence of Hiphop and never attempted to dilute their brand for mainstream success, plus their longevity and underground success puts them in my top 5 for movements that best represent NY HipHop.

I mean OGC didnt hesitate to go at Biggie for trying to stray away from the "essence"...."No Fear".

[video=youtube;pqJa0Uig9Gw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJa0Uig9Gw[/video]

They mos definetley stay reppin.

 

[H-Rap 180]

My first choice is the Wu-Tang Clan, they helped bring the East back when we were very irrelevant, not to mention they produced numerous classic albums and songs.

My second choice is a tie between Bad Boy and Ruff Ryders...

Bad Boy built off the Wu-Tang's success and further catapulted the East Coast back, on a commercial level. Bad Boy is responsible for pushing out classics by Biggie, and is responsible for some of Hip-Hop's most memorable moments from the 1990s, such as being forever linked to Hip-Hop's most notorious feud, the Easy-West rivalry. BUT, Bad Boy became highly commercial, and New York lost our signature Hardcore edge because of Bad Boy...

Ruff Ryders main artist was DMX, DMX brought that grittiness back into the game, from a East Coast standpoint, and brought that hardcore feel back to the mainstream. Another thing Bad Boy doesn't get credited for is helping DMX gain a buzz, being featured on songs such as 24 Hours to Live by Ma$e and Money, Power Respect by The L.O.X....Plus Ruff Ryders produced many great albums such as DMX's debut and Styles P's debut, and to a lesser extent Jadakiss' sophomore album. The RR helped us get back our identity.

The Juice Crew and the Diplomats are third.
Simply because they were camps that were mostly or entirely based in one borough, and managed to push out numerous classics, and have a large following in New York, and outside of New York.

Every other movement is 4th/last

Good analysis.

Its funny that you named Bad-boy and Wu-tang 1st and 2nd because in my opinion they are the exact opposite but I guess "balance" is the key?? Hardcore gritty on one end and Superstar glitzy on the other side.

Do you remember RZA sending shots at BadBoy on the Intro to CD2 on Wu-Tang Forever??

[video=youtube;N80Q6GURZpU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80Q6GURZpU[/video]

*Shots Fired*

 

[Who Cares???]

As far as representing Ny the best its impossible to pinpoint one specific group. Ny was and still is too diverse. This groups represented the many different personalities that make up Ny. If you been in NY for a considerable amount of time and made rounds around the different boroughs, you'll see the different representations.

 

[nyst8ofmin]

bootcamp def takes this thread
in the past couple summers, ive seen countless BCC related free concerts in parks, etc. all over ny.

who else is doing that, with little to no music to promote?

plus, these dudes are very accessible.

 

[H-Rap 180]

Native Tongues...
they were street without being faux gangsta...
they were fun loving without being too commercial/corny...
their family tree still bares fruit today...
the Ummah... need I say more?

100% organic.

In a commercialized genre were street-cred is valued over M.C.ing and posturing is more marketable than positivity, a collective like Native Tongues would not survive or thrive on a mainstream level.

[video=youtube;Qapou-3-fM8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qapou-3-fM8[/video]

"Ludicrously speedy or infectious with the slo-mo"

 

[nyst8ofmin]

native tongue is probably my favorite all time 'movement', but i wouldnt say they were an accurate representation of ny, especially at the time they were heavy---early/mid 90's.
ny was a bad place coming outta the 80's and in the early 90's. dudes were getting murked for jordans, murder rates were at all time highs, meanwhile tribe and friends were releasing music like "buddy" and '3 feet high and rising' and 'the choice is yours' etc etc.

they, collectively, are probably the least accurate representation of ny on the list

 

[DMTxTHC]

Good analysis.

Its funny that you named Bad-boy and Wu-tang 1st and 2nd because in my opinion they are the exact opposite but I guess "balance" is the key?? Hardcore gritty on one end and Superstar glitzy on the other side.

Do you remember RZA sending shots at BadBoy on the Intro to CD2 on Wu-Tang Forever??

[video=youtube;N80Q6GURZpU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80Q6GURZpU[/video]

*Shots Fired*

This is why the Wu-Tang Clan gets the utmost respect from me, that intro^ reminds me of Shark Niggas (Biters) from OB4CL

[video=youtube;b2-5GSjZvW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-5GSjZvW8[/video]

"Puffy is good, but Wu-Tang is the BEST"

 

[ghost!]

I included Def Squad because they were a collective with an ill NY producer at their core surrounded by skilled NY emcees like I articulated in the original post.

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I didnt say they werent a movement, i just said the didnt make a greater impact then some of they other groups. but they were a movement they didnt go unnotice like i said, they were one of my all time favorite.

 

[reverend_al]

I was going with the WU considering the their success as a group and strong solo careers.

But went chose the Juice Crew how can you go against Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, etc

I mean go listen to Marley Marl's Symphony, I'll put those two up against any other 2