BOSS KTULU
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Tacos don't exist.
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Focal Point
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religion= a club for believers in a particular idea and thought
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alissowack
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Everyone is a slave to something. It just depends whether or not a religion (or whatever) is oppressive in it's nature.
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Hyde Parke
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hmmm...
lets see,
I believe in God
I believe I will have tacos tonight.
I think i see what your problem is. There is no difference in these statements. Actually, the answer is in the question. Look at those two statements and you can see that they are not equal, for the latter statement has the introduction of time. The first does not. Without getting to scientific here. What you are failing to reason, or maybe not understanding, is that just as you may have your tacos tonight, that originated from your belief, the person who believes in God will see God, at a certain point in space/ time. We are a three dimensional people, and I would strongly encourage you to educate yourself on fourth dimension and beyond. That is if you are really serious. It seems your whole premise, here in this thread is centered around the concept of time.
lets see,
I believe in God
I believe I will have tacos tonight.
I think i see what your problem is. There is no difference in these statements. Actually, the answer is in the question. Look at those two statements and you can see that they are not equal, for the latter statement has the introduction of time. The first does not. Without getting to scientific here. What you are failing to reason, or maybe not understanding, is that just as you may have your tacos tonight, that originated from your belief, the person who believes in God will see God, at a certain point in space/ time. We are a three dimensional people, and I would strongly encourage you to educate yourself on fourth dimension and beyond. That is if you are really serious. It seems your whole premise, here in this thread is centered around the concept of time.
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"So to sum up as I do not have much time
1. Religions have sets of beliefs shared by their followers
2. Faith is a needed component to accept these beliefs
Therefore atheism is not a religion since it has only one tenet, namely there are no supernatural answers. And it does not require faith to reach this conclusion. "
I actually wrote "to sum up" and you got time as the point of my post?
My premise in this post is faith is a requirement of religion. The difference between the two beliefs is one requires faith the other does not.
1. Religions have sets of beliefs shared by their followers
2. Faith is a needed component to accept these beliefs
Therefore atheism is not a religion since it has only one tenet, namely there are no supernatural answers. And it does not require faith to reach this conclusion. "
I actually wrote "to sum up" and you got time as the point of my post?
My premise in this post is faith is a requirement of religion. The difference between the two beliefs is one requires faith the other does not.
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alissowack
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I like to think that there is also a faith element to knowledge as well. We may not call it faith, but there is a certain blindness we have. Atheism trust that this understanding is true because by mere observation, no supernatural entity exists. However, there is the tendency put a lot more on this observation: If you can't see God when you live, you definitely can't see God when you die. An atheist nor a Christian can say they know God will be there in Death, but there is the confidence that one of these things are true.
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Hyde Parke
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Wow..you did not read my post at all. Or it went completely over your head.. This just goes to show that you have already arrived at the conclusion. So why post a thread posing a question if you already have the answers?
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Hyde Parke;55049 said:Wow..you did not read my post at all. Or it went completely over your head.. This just goes to show that you have already arrived at the conclusion. So why post a thread posing a question if you already have the answers?
Time has nothing to do with this post.
Drop 'tonight' from my statement and nothing materially changes.
If you are agrueing the theist think 'I will see God when I am dead' and therefore the statements are similar since they express a belief that will occur at a certain point in time you again miss the premise.
I will see God tonight
I will have tacos tonight
The first statement requires faith while the second does not.
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Hyde Parke
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Explain how the first statement requires faith, yet the second does not.
If time has nothing to do with your post, then why did you make reference to it?
Please answer thoroughly.
If time has nothing to do with your post, then why did you make reference to it?
Please answer thoroughly.
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Hyde Parke
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and when pulling definitions,it is best to post them all, not just the ones that support your "beliefs". Doing otherwise, strongly suggests that you are trying to persuade the reader to think a certain way. Faith has more than one meaning. Its not soley religious.
faith-
religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
complete confidence in a person or plan etc; "he cherished the faith of a good woman"; "the doctor-patient relationship is based on trust"
religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"
loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"; "they broke faith with their investors"
faith-
religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
complete confidence in a person or plan etc; "he cherished the faith of a good woman"; "the doctor-patient relationship is based on trust"
religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"
loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"; "they broke faith with their investors"
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Faith b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Proof the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
When I use faith in this post I am using faith according to this defintion. When using proof I am using its meaning as a set of evidence and not an absolute mathmatical truth.
Also I should not have used the open 'I believe God exists' in my first post as one can structure arguements to support that statement that do not rely on faith. I believe all these arguements are invalid but to avoid rehashing any of them I will concede the point.
However if we use 'I will see God tonight' or 'I believe the Holy Bible to be the word of God'. These beliefs require faith.
'I will have tacos tonight' simply requires a desire to have tacos, the free will to achieve this, and the opportunity.
While the statement may ultimately turn out false it does not require faith to believe when it is uttered.
Proof the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
When I use faith in this post I am using faith according to this defintion. When using proof I am using its meaning as a set of evidence and not an absolute mathmatical truth.
Also I should not have used the open 'I believe God exists' in my first post as one can structure arguements to support that statement that do not rely on faith. I believe all these arguements are invalid but to avoid rehashing any of them I will concede the point.
However if we use 'I will see God tonight' or 'I believe the Holy Bible to be the word of God'. These beliefs require faith.
'I will have tacos tonight' simply requires a desire to have tacos, the free will to achieve this, and the opportunity.
While the statement may ultimately turn out false it does not require faith to believe when it is uttered.
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As for why I went with 'I will have tacos tonight' I had just talked with my girlfriend and I was very hungry. My mind moved to her daughter who loves to make tacos for dinner. This lead to using a statement that would be in response to 'What will you have for dinner?" ... "I beleive I will have tacos tonight." Though full disclosure this was either the night we went out for steak or I had cold pizza. Either case tacos were not for dinner.
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