What bothers me about the world

[zoepian]

Adaptation... ppl jus learned not to give a fuck about the next man..

 

[zoepian]

You know what bothers me about the world? Niggas mindlessly following every little trend cause they cant think for themselves. Well maybe just in amaraka

cant knock this statement

 

[zoepian]

I think you're confusing moral nihilism with the moral relativism that I'm talking about (and, contrary to popular belief, materialism does not justify nihilism). If happiness and suffering have inherent value/dis-value, then the value/dis-value of happiness/suffering has nothing to do with the identity of the being who experiences it. It is wrong to circumcise little girls because it causes unnecessary suffering, the fact that it's accepted in some cultures doesn't negate that suffering. As for pleasure and pain having inherent value/dis-value to begin with, whether or not the universe can be explained in material or metaphysical terms is irrelevant. It's self-evident that some emotional states are intrinsically good and bad experiences, consciousness might be an 'illusion' but an illusion is still perceptually real.

That's true which is why the action is justified only if 1) the harm caused is outweighed by the harm prevented/pleasure caused and 2) the harm caused is necessary because there is no other way to prevent the greater harm/promote the greater pleasure. Everyone's emotional welfare should be given equal consideration.

It's unanimously accepted by modern day neuroscientists that the likeliness of non-human mammals and birds being sentient is equal to the likeliness of other humans being sentient. Human nervous systems and other mammalian nervous systems are too similar to deny this and avian nervous systems are structured in the same basic way, even though they're no more closely related to us than they are to frogs. Most likely, all vertebrates are sentient and there's good reason to believe that even 'primitive' invertebrates are as well.

Most experts believe that birds have an intelligence equal to non-human primates and they're definitely more intelligent than human toddlers are. Chickens worry about their future because they don't live in the 'here and now' like infants do, also unlike small infants, they have the mental capacity to realize that objects continue to exist even when they aren't presently exposed to them. Like mammals (and crocodiles), birds are social animals, they nurture their young, there is a strong correlation between sociality in animals and intelligence. Regardless of how intelligent chickens are, if it's acceptable to kill and torture chickens on the basis of their being less intelligent than psychologically normal, human adults, then it is also acceptable to kill and torture human infants and some extremely mentally retarded human adults. How intelligent chickens are has nothing to do with their capacity for pleasure and pain.

yall niggas talkin a lot....

 

[Sh0t]

Damn, now I must have some popeyes later today. Long drive though...

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

threadstarter is on some captain picard shit

"all sentient beings deserve rights, blah blah blah"

he's actually making an interesting argument, but the IQ level of the SL is so low in 2011, niggas won't be able to participate

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

he's actually making an interesting argument, but the IQ level of the SL is so low in 2011, niggas won't be able to participate

my IQ is low

 

[KushBurninIndividual]

threadstarter is on some captain picard shit

"all sentient beings deserve rights, blah blah blah"

he's actually making an interesting argument, but the IQ level of the SL is so low in 2011, niggas won't be able to participate

aint you white?

 

[CaliGuerillaBlazin]

threadstarter is on some captain picard shit

"all sentient beings deserve rights, blah blah blah"

he's actually making an interesting argument, but the IQ level of the SL is so low in 2011, niggas won't be able to participate

He makes an argument, not a interesting one tho.

There's alot of stuff that bothers me too. Boo-fucking-hoo. And I actually agree with some of what he's saying.

Niggas and birds get shot everyday B.

 

[Mariasam95]

I think you ignore causation. Apathy is not the cause. Not provide a treatment option for attrition. Why are there so few people suffer because of compulsion, coercion or direct intervention of the policy of equality through the implementation of various forms or things to fix the situation to prevent people.

 

[princetavern]

I would punish many, many human beings if I had the opportunity to.

Suffering for any reason is bad but suffering inflicted by another being who has a theory of mind capable of understanding that suffering is incomprehensible.

This comes off as very contradictory to me. Why not have them make amends, rather than "punishing" them. Two wrongs don't make a right, and you aren't making anything better this way. (*ignores the vast oversimplification where people are assumed to have no reason to be apathetic or menacing in the first place )

Not provide a treatment option for attrition.

Exactly. I'd say most people don't learn a lesson (other than maybe how they got caught) when punished, and some even get worse in their ways. Unless your plan is to kill or permanently imprison all offenders, you've really just hurt more people all together now without solving shit.