WHAT ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK CRIME: ...How the myth was born

[Kwan Dai]

Thanks for the insight. I would like for people to simplify this shit though. The American govt. has been at the forefront of demonizing and criminalizing Blacks. From slavery, to slave holding presidents to "Birth Of A Nation" premier in the white house. How fitting, right?

To find truth in statistical data provided by the govt is, absolutely ignorant and misguided.

 

[playmaker88]

But people cant get an idea of how deep and interwoven this shit is by telling them.. a quick blurb meant for twitter im all for simplicity but not watering things down its all about understanding and this written piece is equivalent to the 13th by ava

 

[yellowtapesport]

My grandpa used to tell me bout the covenants in Petworth, DC and how he was one of the first black ppl to move in that neighborhood, which eventually became all black...but is now one of the most sought-after communities in this new, gentrified city

 

[Kwan Dai]

But people cant get an idea of how deep and interwoven this shit is by telling them.. a quick blurb meant for twitter im all for simplicity but not watering things down its all about understanding and this written piece is equivalent to the 13th by ava

I don't disagree. I just tend to believe that people that need to go deeper, need more evidence etc. are people who support white supremacy and have no desire to accept truth.

There are actually people (majority white of course) who totally dismissed the 13th as once again Blacks making shit up. White's don't respect or care for Black Academia so, us presenting facts, stats etc means nothing to them.

Analyzing the crimes rates between Black and white tells us whites are fucking delusional. You would think whites mentioning "Black on Black crime" would have a case if white on white crime was 2%, 5%, hell even 15%. But 83%? Umm that not any better. If, "Black on Black crime is a thing so, is white on white crime.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

The rate of homicide is a real concern, the term is stupid because people murder in their communities

 

[playmaker88]

Im not a big into stats my self. im talking about the meat of the whole article.. i mean lets not act like all black people know or care either sadly.. im not talkin about those who have a hire status... or those that are "woke" (hate buzzwords) im talkin about people who are just outside of the periphery or among the bullshit.. Fact is alot of people just dont understand or know the why and how.

 

[5th Letter]

It's pretty much a case where every negative connotation black people are the face of it. They've done a good job conditioning us to the point where some black people believe it themselves.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

My grandpa used to tell me bout the covenants in Petworth, DC and how he was one of the first black ppl to move in that neighborhood, which eventually became all black...but is now one of the most sought-after communities in this new, gentrified city

kinda like the hamptons.

it was once all black as well

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Im not a big into stats my self. im talking about the meat of the whole article.. i mean lets not act like all black people know or care either sadly.. im not talkin about those who have a hire status... or those that are "woke" (hate buzzwords) im talkin about people who are just outside of the periphery or among the bullshit.. Fact is alot of people just dont understand or know the why and how.

This is definitely but also unfortunately true.

A guy that I work with, we often have sociopolitical conversations but it damn near always comes back to "black on black" crime.

He doesn't understand or maybe doesn't want to understand that something like police brutality and the murder rate aren't directly correlated so they shouldn't ever be mentioned together. One doesn't impact the other, not in the general sense. The media tries to group them together to trivialize the argument.

He harbors some of the same thoughts as a lot of these white folks. "How can we worry about police injustice when we out here killing each other?"

Because they aren't the fucking same. Yes we need to stop killing each other, without a doubt! But we can also address the systematic injustice or whatever the case might be without linking those two very distinct problems together.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Im not a big into stats my self. im talking about the meat of the whole article.. i mean lets not act like all black people know or care either sadly.. im not talkin about those who have a hire status... or those that are "woke" (hate buzzwords) im talkin about people who are just outside of the periphery or among the bullshit.. Fact is alot of people just dont understand or know the why and how.

This is definitely but also unfortunately true.

A guy that I work with, we often have sociopolitical conversations but it damn near always comes back to "black on black" crime.

He doesn't understand or maybe doesn't want to understand that something like police brutality and the murder rate aren't directly correlated so they shouldn't ever be mentioned together. One doesn't impact the other, not in the general sense. The media tries to group them together to trivialize the argument.

He harbors some of the same thoughts as a lot of these white folks. "How can we worry about police injustice when we out here killing each other?"

Because they aren't the fucking same. Yes we need to stop killing each other, without a doubt! But we can also address the systematic injustice or whatever the case might be without linking those two very distinct problems together.

Do you think presenting him with this data or data displaying the amount of work Blacks are doing in their communities would change his opinion or stance?

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Im not a big into stats my self. im talking about the meat of the whole article.. i mean lets not act like all black people know or care either sadly.. im not talkin about those who have a hire status... or those that are "woke" (hate buzzwords) im talkin about people who are just outside of the periphery or among the bullshit.. Fact is alot of people just dont understand or know the why and how.

This is definitely but also unfortunately true.

A guy that I work with, we often have sociopolitical conversations but it damn near always comes back to "black on black" crime.

He doesn't understand or maybe doesn't want to understand that something like police brutality and the murder rate aren't directly correlated so they shouldn't ever be mentioned together. One doesn't impact the other, not in the general sense. The media tries to group them together to trivialize the argument.

He harbors some of the same thoughts as a lot of these white folks. "How can we worry about police injustice when we out here killing each other?"

Because they aren't the fucking same. Yes we need to stop killing each other, without a doubt! But we can also address the systematic injustice or whatever the case might be without linking those two very distinct problems together.

Do you think presenting him with this data or data displaying the amount of work Blacks are doing in their communities would change his opinion or stance?

It's unlikely. I've never showed him anything tangible but I have facts for days and it doesn't seem to register.

This seems to be something engrained into his psyche that the black community is fucked up and no one is trying to help.

I try to chip away. Some things get through others don't especially when it pertains to black issues.

If it's not on the news then that means it didn't happen. I think the reason for that is because the numbers and the community efforts aren't heavily reported. He'll believe the news before anything else because that's where he gets all his info from.

 

[Undefeatable]

I will read the whole thing at some later date, but did not like some of what I read.

Even if 90 percent of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks, and 83.5 percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, the black homicide rate might still be considerably higher than the white one. Hell, the same thing could be true even if, say, 70 percent of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks, and a much higher percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites.

Does the author not realize this? Either way, this is an obviously bad argument. I have seen other people make it as well. We can do better than to use it.

 

[Germz101]

What's the point of stating all of this?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I will read the whole thing at some later date, but did not like some of what I read.

Even if 90 percent of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks, and 83.5 percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, the black homicide rate might still be considerably higher than the white one. Hell, the same thing could be true even if, say, 70 percent of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks, and a much higher percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites.

Does the author not realize this? Either way, this is an obviously bad argument. I have seen other people make it as well. We can do better than to use it.

black -13%

white- 70%

1 black killing 3 has a higher percentage of a white killing 3

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Thanks for the insight. I would like for people to simplify this shit though. The American govt. has been at the forefront of demonizing and criminalizing Blacks. From slavery, to slave holding presidents to "Birth Of A Nation" premier in the white house. How fitting, right?

To find truth in statistical data provided by the govt is, absolutely ignorant and misguided.

Data is just collected information. There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with the data the government provides. It's the interpretation that is important. The thing is, when you look at it, most government data actually invalidates a lot of the bullshit used to demonize black people. For example, remember the absent father stereotype that all the CaCs were using to bash black men a couple years ago. It was federal data (from the CDC specifically) that put that shit to rest by actually showing that black men, whether in the house or not, were among the most active in their children's lives.

But you don't need to get any simpler than the first quote in the OP.

Statistical data collected by the FBI in 2016 reported that 90.1 percent of black homicide victims were killed by black perpetrators. Similarly, 83.5 percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, a figure comparable to that for black victims. And yet the term “white-on-white crime” does not exist in American lexicon. According to Columbia University professor Carla Shedd, “All violence and crime is about proximity” to the point that the label “‘black-on-black crime’ is an unnecessary specification.” Furthermore, the extent to which black individuals are committing crime has been vastly exaggerated in the public imagination. Data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics maintains that less than one percent of all black Americans commit a violent crime in any given year, which, stated differently, means that 99 percent of black Americans do not commit crimes to contribute to the black-on-black crime categorization.

This is all that needs to be said. The media and racists try to paint blacks as violent savages and the common perception, whether people admit it or not, is that a large number of people within the black community are violent. This shows that's clearly not the case, so non-blacks are basically being led to judge the whole black community by 1%. That's crazy.

 

[playmaker88]

What's the point of stating all of this?

Are you serious?

 

[playmaker88]

Stats are like .2% of the article

 

[Kwan Dai]

Thanks for the insight. I would like for people to simplify this shit though. The American govt. has been at the forefront of demonizing and criminalizing Blacks. From slavery, to slave holding presidents to "Birth Of A Nation" premier in the white house. How fitting, right?

To find truth in statistical data provided by the govt is, absolutely ignorant and misguided.

Data is just collected information. There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with the data the government provides. It's the interpretation that is important. The thing is, when you look at it, most government data actually invalidates a lot of the bullshit used to demonize black people. For example, remember the absent father stereotype that all the CaCs were using to bash black men a couple years ago. It was federal data (from the CDC specifically) that put that shit to rest by actually showing that black men, whether in the house or not, were among the most active in their children's lives.

But you don't need to get any simpler than the first quote in the OP.

Statistical data collected by the FBI in 2016 reported that 90.1 percent of black homicide victims were killed by black perpetrators. Similarly, 83.5 percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, a figure comparable to that for black victims. And yet the term “white-on-white crime” does not exist in American lexicon. According to Columbia University professor Carla Shedd, “All violence and crime is about proximity” to the point that the label “‘black-on-black crime’ is an unnecessary specification.” Furthermore, the extent to which black individuals are committing crime has been vastly exaggerated in the public imagination. Data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics maintains that less than one percent of all black Americans commit a violent crime in any given year, which, stated differently, means that 99 percent of black Americans do not commit crimes to contribute to the black-on-black crime categorization.

This is all that needs to be said. The media and racists try to paint blacks as violent savages and the common perception, whether people admit it or not, is that a large number of people within the black community are violent. This shows that's clearly not the case, so non-blacks are basically being led to judge the whole black community by 1%. That's crazy.

I disagree. I believe the govt. data is racially biased therefore it's wrong. There's just to many instances (hundreds of years worth) of govt backed policy\laws and propaganda to make me believe otherwise.

That was a great example you provided. But again I didn't need that article and data to confirm what I and many others already knew about Black fathers and their children. Polar bear validation isn't needed. Fuck what they "think" because even when provided with the truth polar bears will still side with their political parties and their fucked up beliefs about people of color. Notice how that govt data changed nothing. Black fathers are still the scourge of the earth in the eyes of wasichu.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Thanks for the insight. I would like for people to simplify this shit though. The American govt. has been at the forefront of demonizing and criminalizing Blacks. From slavery, to slave holding presidents to "Birth Of A Nation" premier in the white house. How fitting, right?

To find truth in statistical data provided by the govt is, absolutely ignorant and misguided.

Data is just collected information. There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with the data the government provides. It's the interpretation that is important. The thing is, when you look at it, most government data actually invalidates a lot of the bullshit used to demonize black people. For example, remember the absent father stereotype that all the CaCs were using to bash black men a couple years ago. It was federal data (from the CDC specifically) that put that shit to rest by actually showing that black men, whether in the house or not, were among the most active in their children's lives.

But you don't need to get any simpler than the first quote in the OP.

Statistical data collected by the FBI in 2016 reported that 90.1 percent of black homicide victims were killed by black perpetrators. Similarly, 83.5 percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, a figure comparable to that for black victims. And yet the term “white-on-white crime” does not exist in American lexicon. According to Columbia University professor Carla Shedd, “All violence and crime is about proximity” to the point that the label “‘black-on-black crime’ is an unnecessary specification.” Furthermore, the extent to which black individuals are committing crime has been vastly exaggerated in the public imagination. Data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics maintains that less than one percent of all black Americans commit a violent crime in any given year, which, stated differently, means that 99 percent of black Americans do not commit crimes to contribute to the black-on-black crime categorization.

This is all that needs to be said. The media and racists try to paint blacks as violent savages and the common perception, whether people admit it or not, is that a large number of people within the black community are violent. This shows that's clearly not the case, so non-blacks are basically being led to judge the whole black community by 1%. That's crazy.

I disagree. I believe the govt. data is racially biased therefore it's wrong. There's just to many instances (hundreds of years worth) of govt backed policy\laws and propaganda to make me believe otherwise.

That was a great example you provided. But again I didn't need that article and data to confirm what I and many others already knew about Black fathers and their children. Polar bear validation isn't needed. Fuck what they "think" because even when provided with the truth polar bears will still side with their political parties and their fucked up beliefs about people of color. Notice how that govt data changed nothing. Black fathers are still the scourge of the earth in the eyes of wasichu.

I'd agree if we're talking about police statistics because we know much of that is generated from racist police work. So really you just have to check the source. I'd disagree that the CDC data didn't do anything though. FOXNews and their ilk don't invoke that deadbeat dad shit as much. Let's be real, for a while, deadbeat dads was what "black on black crime" is now. When the CDC data came up and people started throwing that shit out there every time that deadbeat dad shit was used, they moved on to something else.

Also, before you dismiss government data, remember the Federal government is one of the few entities in this country that actually enforces affirmative action quotas. What that means is that you'll typically find a larger percentage of blacks working in Federal offices. In other words, you're dismissing the data as white validation, when the truth is a lot of these insights have probably come, in part, from work done by black people. There's also the point that this helps us in the fact that sometimes we fall for the tricks too. I wouldn't have guessed that only ~1% of blacks participate in violent crime. I knew it was a low percentage, but I didn't think it was that low. Any of us can be influenced by bullshit when we hear it enough, so it's good to get a reality check every now and then.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Thanks for the insight. I would like for people to simplify this shit though. The American govt. has been at the forefront of demonizing and criminalizing Blacks. From slavery, to slave holding presidents to "Birth Of A Nation" premier in the white house. How fitting, right?

To find truth in statistical data provided by the govt is, absolutely ignorant and misguided.

Data is just collected information. There isn't anything intrinsically wrong with the data the government provides. It's the interpretation that is important. The thing is, when you look at it, most government data actually invalidates a lot of the bullshit used to demonize black people. For example, remember the absent father stereotype that all the CaCs were using to bash black men a couple years ago. It was federal data (from the CDC specifically) that put that shit to rest by actually showing that black men, whether in the house or not, were among the most active in their children's lives.

But you don't need to get any simpler than the first quote in the OP.

Statistical data collected by the FBI in 2016 reported that 90.1 percent of black homicide victims were killed by black perpetrators. Similarly, 83.5 percent of white homicide victims were killed by other whites, a figure comparable to that for black victims. And yet the term “white-on-white crime” does not exist in American lexicon. According to Columbia University professor Carla Shedd, “All violence and crime is about proximity” to the point that the label “‘black-on-black crime’ is an unnecessary specification.” Furthermore, the extent to which black individuals are committing crime has been vastly exaggerated in the public imagination. Data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics maintains that less than one percent of all black Americans commit a violent crime in any given year, which, stated differently, means that 99 percent of black Americans do not commit crimes to contribute to the black-on-black crime categorization.

This is all that needs to be said. The media and racists try to paint blacks as violent savages and the common perception, whether people admit it or not, is that a large number of people within the black community are violent. This shows that's clearly not the case, so non-blacks are basically being led to judge the whole black community by 1%. That's crazy.

I disagree. I believe the govt. data is racially biased therefore it's wrong. There's just to many instances (hundreds of years worth) of govt backed policy\laws and propaganda to make me believe otherwise.

That was a great example you provided. But again I didn't need that article and data to confirm what I and many others already knew about Black fathers and their children. Polar bear validation isn't needed. Fuck what they "think" because even when provided with the truth polar bears will still side with their political parties and their fucked up beliefs about people of color. Notice how that govt data changed nothing. Black fathers are still the scourge of the earth in the eyes of wasichu.

I'd agree if we're talking about police statistics because we know much of that is generated from racist police work. So really you just have to check the source. I'd disagree that the CDC data didn't do anything though. FOXNews and their ilk don't invoke that deadbeat dad shit as much. Let's be real, for a while, deadbeat dads was what "black on black crime" is now. When the CDC data came up and people started throwing that shit out there every time that deadbeat dad shit was used, they moved on to something else.

Also, before you dismiss government data, remember the Federal government is one of the few entities in this country that actually enforces affirmative action quotas. What that means is that you'll typically find a larger percentage of blacks working in Federal offices. In other words, you're dismissing the data as white validation, when the truth is a lot of these insights have probably come, in part, from work done by black people. There's also the point that this helps us in the fact that sometimes we fall for the tricks too. I wouldn't have guessed that only ~1% of blacks participate in violent crime. I knew it was a low percentage, but I didn't think it was that low. Any of us can be influenced by bullshit when we hear it enough, so it's good to get a reality check every now and then.

I am just going to continue disagreeing even though your argument is compelling. I side with history both past and present. Be it local or federal govt. neither has been a friend to Blacks in treatment or the portrayal of us as a people and culture.

As it pertains to Blacks I don't need Govt. stats, when I have lived and breathed Black my entire life. The notion that Blacks are somehow aliens, criminals and do more evil then whites is absurd on face value. Humans, have been, and always will be human. No race is immune from fuckshit of all sorts. No shots at all being taken here just speaking bluntly with a hint of frustration. Anyone needing stats to tell them that is an imbecile.