WE NEED SAMPLING BACK IN HIP HOP!!!!

[SlickestR]

Making your own Samples>>>> Saves money but still gives that same FEEL... I think its that Feel then the actual samples because TBH what else is there to sample? I cant even Listen to an Oldies station without relating it to a Hip Hop song.

yeah it's that feel that artist go for, a most of the old school cats grew up listening the Marvin Gayes, Pattie Le Belle's Chaka Chan's, Anita Bakesr and all the other old school jazzy R&B, even pop-sounding artist back then...

so their influence is tied with in their production, But we need more original shit, for the producers of tomorrow and the next 20 years to sample off of.

 

[lamontbdc]

i didn't realize it left hip hop

 

[Gen. Stasia]

Making your own Samples>>>> Saves money but still gives that same FEEL... I think its that Feel then the actual samples because TBH what else is there to sample? I cant even Listen to an Oldies station without relating it to a Hip Hop song.

yeah it's that feel that artist go for, a most of the old school cats grew up listening the Marvin Gayes, Pattie Le Belle's Chaka Chan's, Anita Bakesr and all the other old school jazzy R&B, even pop-sounding artist back then...

so their influence is tied with in their production, But we need more original shit, for the producers of tomorrow and the next 20 years to sample off of.

Totally agree but what is these R&B cats doing? Now R&B beats sound like Hip Hop Beats. We definetly need to make more Original music tho but there's a way to get a sample feel without the cost. Need more MUSICIANS in Music period.

 

[king hassan]

Powerful post. i would much rather hear an instrumental from scratch where the producer includes his or her own ideas and harmonic progressions over a sample. i mean i have nothing against sampling at all as it pretty much is the foundation for hip hop and some of my fav hip hop producers (dilla, madlib) are the best at utilizing it. but being a musician myself, it is sometimes difficult to defend the musical aspect of hip hop while im conversing with my musician buddies when the purists themselves would like to revert back to borrowing ideas instead of invigoratingly creating new ones. and thats what we need in hip hop is originality. musicianship should also be taught within the artform. even alot of sample-oriented producers cannot comprehend one sheet of music. we need to progress and not regress. we need more shepherds and less sheep. instead of taking it back and digging in the crates, how about moving forward and blazing new paths and shattering tradition

thank you, at least there's some people out there that's not on the SAMPLING bandwagon... i have nothing against sampling either since it is one of many things that crafted the genre and made it into what it is today, but.. along with another person's great creation comes legal work, a lot of money involved and clearance because your using people's shit...

why not instead come up with your own shit from scratch? What the fuck is wrong with that? i mean a lot of motherfuckers that are used in SAMPLING didn't sample another person's shit... it was all live instrumentation along with a amazing singer and it was soulful, sweet and uplifting... all Jazz, blues, R&B and soul... and all of those sounds were made from scratch..

Being a musician myself I feel where you are coming from. But tell me how many producers are actualy writing the music to a song. It's mostly keyboard riffs that are simplistic, not as if they are writing the parts for the guitar, the bass, the drums and horns. That's building a song from the ground up, sitting at a keyboard hitting buttons is not being creative to me

Hip-Hop production as a whole is very simplistic (example: Sampling) , if you put too much in a hip-hop beat then it sounds bad... so it doesn't hold the same musical stature that other genres of music has, regrading how much instrumentation that you can pack into the production.

What Producers need to know i think from a musical aspect is more chord progressions, and learn to read notes... because really, hip-hop is more Percussion instruments than anything else...

So basically you saying it's just drum and bass? Those still require notes, sad to say, they don't even teach music in schools anymore smh. Sampling may seem simplistic but I've heard songs where they sample 3 or four records and put them together to make a song, a drum from here, a hi hat from there, piano loop over there. You still have to have a ear for music

 

[SlickestR]

Totally agree but what is these R&B cats doing? Now R&B beats sound like Hip Hop Beats. We definetly need to make more Original music tho but there's a way to get a sample feel without the cost. Need more MUSICIANS in Music period.

i totally agree, because a lot of R&B cats, like Usher, R. Kelly in recent years and others beats are more hip-hop than anything (that should tell us how hip-hop has a great influence over shit)

Yeah we need more musicians that can make great music... than having to sample every chance they get.

So basically you saying it's just drum and bass? Those still require notes, sad to say, they don't even teach music in schools anymore smh. Sampling may seem simplistic but I've heard songs where they sample 3 or four records and put them together to make a song, a drum from here, a hi hat from there, piano loop over there. You still have to have a ear for music

Of course drums and bass require notes... but what i'm saying is that there's not much that goes into a hip-hop beat

and if you're amazing at chord progressions, drums, bass and x y and z then your level of mastery is great enough to surpass those who uses samples all day.

But at the end of the day, like you said "you have to have a ear for music" and even more so, Music is very subjective

because something that sounds good to one person won't sound good to another... hence people liking certain genres, songs, artists and such...

 

[Lou Cypher]

That nigga apollo brown is sick.gotdamn!

Ayo cabana, check out these beat makers, Jaisu, Boon Doc, and J. Depina. all 3 are on youtube and make some of the sickest MPC beats ever, Jaisu is starting to get underground rappers to do verses on his shit too. Well known underground rappers.

 

[king hassan]

Totally agree but what is these R&B cats doing? Now R&B beats sound like Hip Hop Beats. We definetly need to make more Original music tho but there's a way to get a sample feel without the cost. Need more MUSICIANS in Music period.

i totally agree, because a lot of R&B cats, like Usher, R. Kelly in recent years and others beats are more hip-hop than anything (that should tell us how hip-hop has a great influence over shit)

Yeah we need more musicians that can make great music... than having to sample every chance they get.

So basically you saying it's just drum and bass? Those still require notes, sad to say, they don't even teach music in schools anymore smh. Sampling may seem simplistic but I've heard songs where they sample 3 or four records and put them together to make a song, a drum from here, a hi hat from there, piano loop over there. You still have to have a ear for music

Of course drums and bass require notes... but what i'm saying is that there's not much that goes into a hip-hop beat

and if you're amazing at chord progressions, drums, bass and x y and z then your level of mastery is great enough to surpass those who uses samples all day.

But at the end of the day, like you said "you have to have a ear for music" and even more so, Music is very subjective

because something that sounds good to one person won't sound good to another... hence people liking certain genres, songs, artists and such...

Respect.....When people realize that man the world would be a better place

 

[INSANE RELICK]

Ive been making beats for 10 years. I will say with out a doubt: I am NASTY. I am nasty because I studied and mastered my

craft. I can come at a beat 2 diff ways:

1. I can sample, but I not LOOPING the sample in such a way as the ORIGINAL artist intended.

I chop, transform and make it 100% different.

2. I can make a beat from the ground up. Baseline. Synths, strings. And it will be a banger.

And when I got my machine, I was making beats without samples because I ALREADY had a musical ear.

Sampling and chopping is just an extension of that.

On another note, I would rather people PLAY my beats, sampled and played out as opposed to someone else using

the SAME sample and my personal association with that sound being compromised because I wasnt original enough.

Those down south beats can SOMETIMES be cool, but more or less they SUCK.

No feeling, no emotion.

ANd most of you dudes that do BEATS only do so, cause you thought it was COOL to do beats.

Thats why you dont have no crates. You dont know about record shops or digging through your uncles old records

for a song or a sound that can make your song hot.

You aint gonna be nasty on the beats if you only use PC.

There can be exceptions to this rule. 9th Wonder, but thats cause he pushed the envelope on what

you could do on FL.

And even now, 9th is on an MPC.

In a lil bit im about to drop my debut Inst beat album called:

The Dream Society

No bullshit beats.

Nothing you have ever heard, has ever sounded like what im going to bring.

You can and will only liken it back to when music and hip hop were fun.

Because my music envokes emotion thought and dialog, and that is what was taken from our music.

And if you real about what you all say, then you will understand.

If you dont, then you have lost it cause you have been programmed by white owned black media outlets.

And when the change comes, and everything goes back to how it needs to be, which means everyone gets\

a chance to shine, and if your music aint tight reguardless of where you are from, you wont be gettin no play

or very little....

 

[Wild Self]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkLxEk_9Vjk&feature=related

the sample

East Coast thrived on sampling. When them sampling laws came down, it was a wrap and them bass beats took over.

 

[kzzl]

www.whosampled.com

thank me later.

I was going to mention this site as well. Sampling never left people, it's more prevalent than ever even. Your favorite songs are samples and you just don't know it probably. Your boy Rick Ross would probably be far from his current postion if not for the constant sampling his music uses. I'd say Big Krit's catalogue is 80% samples as well. Juicy J, Wiz, and many more. The lesson I've learned is that if it sounds TOO good, it's usually a looped sample.

But I've been saying for the longest, it's time for rappers to start being sampled. And stop using samples. The art has it's lane, but hip hop needs to able to stand on it's own. There's a reason we keep using older shit. A reason we keep liking how older shit is remixed chopped, pitched, and looped. It's cause them niggas back in the day could play the fuck outta an instrument. Stop buying the milk and breed your own cows.

More rappers need to start fucking with them live band shits. You favorite rapper, with your favorite guitarist, your favorite pianoist, and etc. That's 5 or 6 people in harmony making music together. 5 or 6 different ears. How can you not make a great song?

What rappers need to stop doing is this monkey see, monkey do bullshit. BMF drops and then suddenly everybody wants a BMF track. The milli beat drops and everybody does the milli beat shit. Same thing with Auto-tune. It's like the minute someone gets rich off of something different, everyone does the same thing to get rich like the first guy.

Shit's despicable.

 

[SnowBunnySmanger]

shit cost money bro...nobody's selling that many albums so labels and artist arent really trying to pay to get samples cleared along with all the other shit they have to pay for...

Good samplers can disguise a sample well enough that nobody knows where it came from

 

[SnowBunnySmanger]

oh and live band/instruments > Sampling

We need more real musicians working with these lyricists

 

[Cabana_Da_Don]

I got a question for ya niggas that look down on sampling....Ya know that sampling was something revolutionary and it´s practice is so new meaning young.Why give it up so quickly if it touches so many people.I don´t see it as a cruch nor something negative.It´s something new.A new way to make music.A new way to rearrange musical notes.It´s something new.

 

[poindexter2]

drink in my cup is not an atari. that shit has live guitar shredding in it. WTF?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Down south beats have no soul? Lol, u must never heard of Organized Noize. Sampling needs to be cheaper and live instrumentation needs to go up. And also this whole "I wanna a beat that sounds like ____" is not a new thing

 

[kzzl]

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I got a question for ya niggas that look down on sampling....Ya know that sampling was something revolutionary and it´s practice is so new meaning young.Why give it up so quickly if it touches so many people.I don´t see it as a cruch nor something negative.It´s something new.A new way to make music.A new way to rearrange musical notes.It´s something new.

As I said it has it's lane. It a part of the culture. Part of the art. Another way of expression. I'm not saying we should ever deny it. Or completely stop using it. Hell, some songs need to be sampled. Reggae music be having some of the coolest intro's and breakdowns. But the shit is only a small portion of the song. It be epic when your favorite rapper picks that one part of that one song you could listen too over and over.

But we need to be getting at composing our own shit as well. Keep being revolutionary and expanding more. Music is to powerful a force for rap to be limited by itself. It's also a part of our culture, but it's not getting the shine it deserves. Bottom line, with out musicians there'd be nothing for us to sample.

I'm fairly certain that if some artist were to stop just looping 5 seconds of Al Green for a change, they'd grow artistically. Learn music theory. Song Structure. Note Progression. Just basic shit beyond rhyming for 16, repeating hihats, and bumping bass. Your least favorite rapper with your least favorite producer would become decent at least.

But also why limit rap to robbing the dead of their creative works? Why put the genre in a box? Why allow your album to be delayed for sample clearance? Why pay so much for sample clearance? Why throw an awesome song away, because you couldn't get sample clearance? Why not have the artist you're trying to sample actually sit and record some original shit for you? Why not learn some shit so you ain't gotta wait on clearance, pay for clearance, or get somebody else to make your song?

SMH at all this typing. But damn, music is my shit.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

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I got a question for ya niggas that look down on sampling....Ya know that sampling was something revolutionary and it´s practice is so new meaning young.Why give it up so quickly if it touches so many people.I don´t see it as a cruch nor something negative.It´s something new.A new way to make music.A new way to rearrange musical notes.It´s something new.

As I said it has it's lane. It a part of the culture. Part of the art. Another way of expression. I'm not saying we should ever deny it. Or completely stop using it. Hell, some songs need to be sampled. Reggae music be having some of the coolest intro's and breakdowns. But the shit is only a small portion of the song. It be epic when your favorite rapper picks that one part of that one song you could listen too over and over.

But we need to be getting at composing our own shit as well. Keep being revolutionary and expanding more. Music is to powerful a force for rap to be limited by itself. It's also a part of our culture, but it's not getting the shine it deserves. Bottom line, with out musicians there'd be nothing for us to sample.

I'm fairly certain that if some artist were to stop just looping 5 seconds of Al Green for a change, they'd grow artistically. Learn music theory. Song Structure. Note Progression. Just basic shit beyond rhyming for 16, repeating hihats, and bumping bass. Your least favorite rapper with your least favorite producer would become decent at least.

But also why limit rap to robbing the dead of their creative works? Why put the genre in a box? Why allow your album to be delayed for sample clearance? Why pay so much for sample clearance? Why throw an awesome song away, because you couldn't get sample clearance? Why not have the artist you're trying to sample actually sit and record some original shit for you? Why not learn some shit so you ain't gotta wait on clearance, pay for clearance, or get somebody else to make your song?

SMH at all this typing. But damn, music is my shit.

how is sampling limited

 

[INSANE RELICK]

Sampling is not limited. Its only limited when you have a limited producer. ANd NO Organized Noise isnt a part of the Down South Bullshit. ON makes hot classic shit. Prime Example.

Go into your Cd collections people, and dig out the OUTKAST ATLiens. Listen to : Mainstream ( with Goodie Mob )

Hot beat. Thought provoking Lyrics. A regional sound. Finished hot product. Why you 3k aint rhymin on NO

south shit, cause even HE knows shit is nigger garbage.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Sampling is not limited. Its only limited when you have a limited producer. ANd NO Organized Noise isnt a part of the Down South Bullshit. ON makes hot classic shit. Prime Example.

Go into your Cd collections people, and dig out the OUTKAST ATLiens. Listen to : Mainstream ( with Goodie Mob )

Hot beat. Thought provoking Lyrics. A regional sound. Finished hot product. Why you 3k aint rhymin on NO

south shit, cause even HE knows shit is nigger garbage.

Why was 3K on this nigger garbage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyrj-kqBxE

The lyrics itself are thought provoking, but...

 

[Gen. Stasia]

I think Just Blaze did it RIGHT with Lord Knows. I thought it was a sample but when I learned that he had an actual choir come in that made me respect his craft even more.