Was Pac Supposed to be the Almighty Ruler of Rap when he was alive?

[thecomebacklegend]

Biggie never copied any concept from Pac. .

he copied his double cd idea

pac schooled the nigga on how 2 make a album back n 93

 

[rapmastermind]

he copied his double cd idea

pac schooled the nigga on how 2 make a album back n 93

There have been double albums in music decades before Pac or Big made them. As for Hip Hop, Master P had the 1st double LP. Pac was the 1st solo Double LP. Pac gave Biggie some advice but that same advice Pac gave Biggie, Puffy was in his ear forcing him to have more commerical joints. Big's double album is night and day compared to Pac's. Pac did not try to do songs from every region and flow on every type of style. "All Eyes On Me" was a westcoast album with Westcoast beats. "Life After Death" had beats and styles from every region in Hip Hop. The Bottom line, Pac was reaching badly when he said Biggie stole his album concept when Biggie was recording his album before Pac even started "Me against the World".

 

[Yungin T. Jeezie]

all the NYC lames are hating and bitch ass north NJ crabs that follow NYC

niggas still mad lol

cosign, niggas still mad about how Pac sonned the whole coast 14-15 years ago

 

[rapmastermind]

cosign, niggas still mad about how Pac sonned the whole coast 14-15 years ago

Yea he sonned a whole coast yet Biggie went Diamond, NaS and Jay had great careers. Diddy still on the forbes list. If everyone loved Pac so much, why did all those Eastcoast artist have so much success? Shouldn't they all bombed since Pac was so loved? Eastcoast even in it's horrible state now is doing better than the West. Nobody is mad at Pac but dudes are fooling themselves acting like if Pac lived, everyone would of flopped and nobody would of brought any Eastcoast albums. That's just ridculous.

 

[Yungin T. Jeezie]

Yea he sonned a whole coast yet Biggie went Diamond, NaS and Jay had great careers. Diddy still on the forbes list. If everyone loved Pac so much, why did all those Eastcoast artist have so much success? Shouldn't they all bombed since Pac was so loved? Eastcoast even in it's horrible state now is doing better than the West. Nobody is mad at Pac but dudes are fooling themselves acting like if Pac lived, everyone would of flopped and nobody would of brought any Eastcoast albums. That's just ridculous.

nigga im not saying them fools wouldnt have careers if Pac was alive. but I know its fact when Pac was alive them niggas was shook to say his name

only peeps that was willing to step up for their NYC, was them mobb deep niggas & thats it

 

[Mr. AJ]

Pac-Biggy = 2 New Yorkers that got a terrible wake up call in the west. Pac was just a big mouth nigga that surrounded himself with niggaz he had to pay to function with. Other than that he would still be doing the Humpty Hump Dance (the origin of Oakland Hyphy ..lol)

 

[thecomebacklegend]

Yea he sonned a whole coast yet Biggie went Diamond, NaS and Jay had great careers. Diddy still on the forbes list. If everyone loved Pac so much, why did all those Eastcoast artist have so much success? Shouldn't they all bombed since Pac was so loved? Eastcoast even in it's horrible state now is doing better than the West. Nobody is mad at Pac but dudes are fooling themselves acting like if Pac lived, everyone would of flopped and nobody would of brought any Eastcoast albums. That's just ridculous.

he sonned NYC not the east coast

aeom have more hits and better songs then lad

Ambitionz Az a Ridah>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>biggie career

and im from the east coast

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Almost half of "Ready To Die" was recorded in 93' while Biggie was on Uptown. Pac was reaching when he said Biggie stole his idea cause in 93, Pac wasn't even recording "Me against the World" yet. He just released his 2nd album and he was working on the "Thug Life" album. Most of the songs from "Ready To Die" that was recorded in 94 were the most commerical songs. Most of the depressing and Death songs like "Ready To Die, Things Dun Changed etc" were recorded in 93 well before Biggie and Pac were even rolling like that. Again Pac was suspose to be on the "Ready To Die" album but the song they did didn't make the final cut.

Biggie never copied any concept from Pac. It's sad people still try to say it when it's know knowledge Biggie was recording "Ready To Die" in 1993 before him and Pac were even tight like that. I never understood why Pac would say "Biggie stole my whole album". I mean he was so upset with Biggie, I guess he just started making up stuff. How was Biggie stealing concepts when he was recording the album 1st? The song "Ready To Die" was recorded in 93 and Puffy said in the XXL making of "Ready To Die" that was the 1st song recorded for the album so him and Biggie agreed that should be the title instead of "Teflon Don" cough, cough Rick Ross cough, cough.

Huh it is funny the biographys say a few songs were recorded at Uptown and the majority while at Badboy in 94, you flying that revisionist flag Pacs 2nd album was done in 92 and thuglife was worked on as a side project while pac was doing Me against the world. Thuglife was released 1st because pac was going through some shit and his label wanted to make sure they would at least have some people to tour/promote in case he was not. Now take the cape off and quit ignoring facts you want to hear the similarites in Concept listen to R Ustill down double disc as a lot of songs from that were from that same period and some were supposed to be on the original MATW. Shit I am Glad Biggie Bit the Concept as the 2nd MATW was far superior to what was shaping up to be the 1st...

 

[enomujacku]

shout to 2pac, another brooklyn legend.

 

[ibedamned]

he copied his double cd idea

pac schooled the nigga on how 2 make a album back n 93

Pac had like 98 features on his tho

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Pac had like 98 features on his tho

Biggie had 25 features On 12 songs on LAD Pac had 46 features on 22 songs on AEOM so the ratio of features on feature songs is about the same AEOM just had more collabo Feature Songs...

 

[ibedamned]

Biggie had 25 features On 12 songs on LAD Pac had 46 features on 22 songs on AEOM so the ratio of features on feature songs is about the same AEOM just had more collabo Feature Songs...

No he did not, big had like 12 features on lad and six of em were rnb singers sing the hook, 112 was on there twice and LAD had 24 total tracks or something, where did you get 25? And on AEOM, like the entire second disc featured a rapper.

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

Pac had like 98 features on his tho

Biggie had 25 features On 12 songs on LAD Pac had 46 features on 22 songs on AEOM so the ratio of features on feature songs is about the same AEOM just had more collabo Feature Songs...

No he did not, big had like 12 features on lad and six of em were rnb singers sing the hook, 112 was on there twice and LAD had 24 total tracks or something, where did you get 25? And on AEOM, like the entire second disc featured a rapper.

yes he did I counted each individual artists for both 2pac and Biggie, broke down the Groups as individuals and each artist was counted once per song my # 's are accurate. Both Pac and Biggie had a lot of R&B singers on their songs, that is neither here nor there. Not sure what your arguing at this point the facts do not lie and are readily available to us all...

 

[lion_heart]

Saying that Bigge stole from Pac is a huge stretch but this has been touched on by both them niggas. In the Peace mag where Biggie dissed E40's lyrical abilities he said he put Pac on to all these East Coast producers and Pac didn't end up using the music for MATW. Pac said in his last interview that he changed up producers for MATW becuz RTD sounded like his album that's why there was less East Coast producers. MATW was about dealing with death and Pac felt Biggie stole that concept from MATW.

 

[dankusmellymuch]

even haters are on Pacs nutsack

 

[5th Letter]

From what I have read and heard only a couple of Biggies Songs were recorded while at Uptown the majority of the album was recorded in 94 with the formation of Bad Boy. Stole material is a reach but topic anmd themes borrowed would be more accurate, that and Puffy was able to get Sampless cleared for Biggie that pac was unable to secure...

this seems fair

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

some niggas will sit here and wonder why pac is considered the greatest of all time by the majority and all that extra shit

they'll moan and cry and bring up nonsense to discredit the young legend.

niggas need just accept the facts and go worry about someone else, pac been dead 14 years yet every damn day there is a pac thread on here and just about every other hip hop forum

theres many rappers who are alive right now that u could talk about yet u choose to talk about a nigga who's been dead nearly 2 decades, which basically tells me pac is the GOAT's

jayz, wayne and em are still alive....they still put out albums, they still do interviews, make videos etc

i expect people to talk about artists who are alive,

however someone who has been dead 14 years, when niggas had pagers, big brick sized cell phones and wore karl kani..u'd think dudes wud just move on and talk about somebody else....theres many other dead rappers, many other retired rappers, yet all niggas talk about is pac 90% of the time over all them dudes...

If pac was alive he would not be in rap right now..and lauryn hill is great but look at her now she does not have the mental strength to continue.. and shes more of a singer then a rapper. No hate for lauryn she is a living legend.. Pac's music is good because It still relates to the youth to even today's generation which shows how geniune he was. Also he rapped like w.e he was feeling so you get a different feeling. I think he was raps first superstar. He is basically the mj of rap. 2pac does not even need the rap genre. Theres people who don't like rap that will have a 2pac single in there ipod. 2pac is the goat in a sense He is the representation of the best and worst of the genre and the end result of the lifestyle he portrayed in his music. In terms of everything else... this is all subjective I didn't know who he was at that time.. I was a a mase fan. Didn't hear about him till I was older. Pac's music is spiritual in a sense you have to be in a certain awarness to it. he makes you feel whatever he is saying basically.

" I don't think im the best, I think im the realesst nigga out there" - 2pac

And who ever said rap is better now 2pac is dead should turn on bet and repent!

Bruh Biggie always talked about his childhood.
Honor Roll does mean something, he was in a catholic school, his mother was a teacher, Biggie got hurt on the city bus when he was young, his mom sued them and got money, she put that up for college for him, the nigga didn't have to be a drug dealer, he choose that route because he wanted to be like D-Roc, that's bullshit that he was struggling, when the nigga own momma said Biggie got whatever he wanted, he didn't need anything.
Alpo was a different story, the nigga was an educated nut, he was smart but crazy.
Biggie was smart but he choose to be a drug dealer, he choose to drop out, he didn't have too.
That's bullshit, just because he had a baby, he had to become a drug dealer, is that what u saying?
Cause if that's what u saying then u just as dumb as he was, go get a god damn job and take care of your baby.
I went to school with dudes that had babies and they went and got a job, while still doing their school work and playing sports.
That's not an excuse, Biggie just wanted to be a drug dealer to fit in.
Y'all niggas crack me up on here, taking what I say and making it like I'm talking about u, NIGGA IS YOUR NAME BIGGIE?!

What happen to biggie and is d-roc his cousin?

His mom wrote a book and told the truth about him growing up, he fell on the bus, I don't know what really happen cause she didn't go in depth with it but, she sued and got a big chunk of money, she put that up for Biggie's college tuition. D-Roc was the dude he hung with growing up.
Nigga's on here getting mad at me for telling the truth that Biggie's own mother wrote!

u stay dropping knowledge

tupac talked about biggie rappin about his life and taking material from the first version of me against the world and using it. if thats true it would explain biggie's fantasy rhymes. what else does his old lady say about him in the book?

She was talking about his father having a whole other family when he got her pregnant with Biggie.
The book is called "Biggie: Voletta Wallace Remembers Her Son, Christopher Wallace, aka Notorious B.I.G."
It's alot of stuff she talks about, u got to read it.

was r u still down suppose to be the original matw?

but just look at the title of this thread, nigga really let pac fans get to him ?

if a nigga feels pac is his mlk or malcom x, nothing wrong with that, if they can find something positive in pacs music enough to inspire them, thats great.

certain ivnvduals have the gift to touch people

when was the original matw recorded because unless big was stealing stuff in 93 then i doubt it.

The original MATW was In production in 93 and was for the most part Scrapped due to many issues legal and otherwise, Biggie release His debut in Septmember of 94 the majority of his album was recorded in 94...

93,

around and before the time Pac rolled with Biggy

One thing i got from Pac he was never a liar, nigga told it as it is, right to the point of saying his ball got shot off .

Stealing is very common in the industry, Pac made a mistake of lettin Biggy know the concept of his album (which was inspired by the getto boyz) and lettin BIG hear songs off the record...Biggy took the idea and ran with it.

Why would Biggy do this? well he needed a idea for an album and his mentor who had already had success was on to something, so why not just borrow it?

Biggy was a sneaky dude, you only have to hear his music....however it was Pacs fault for trusting him...

you gotta study up, listen to pac interviews, there a trillion, read material, its all out there

there aint one link, this shhit is so olddddddddd

pac always maintained on various interviews he had to rewrite a new album just cuz his and bigs album sounded like the same record and it'd look like he was following/swag jackin big

From what I have read and heard only a couple of Biggies Songs were recorded while at Uptown the majority of the album was recorded in 94 with the formation of Bad Boy. Stole material is a reach but topic anmd themes borrowed would be more accurate, that and Puffy was able to get Sampless cleared for Biggie that pac was unable to secure...

Saying that Bigge stole from Pac is a huge stretch but this has been touched on by both them niggas. In the Peace mag where Biggie dissed E40's lyrical abilities he said he put Pac on to all these East Coast producers and Pac didn't end up using the music for MATW. Pac said in his last interview that he changed up producers for MATW becuz RTD sounded like his album that's why there was less East Coast producers. MATW was about dealing with death and Pac felt Biggie stole that concept from MATW.

Huh it is funny the biographys say a few songs were recorded at Uptown and the majority while at Badboy in 94, you flying that revisionist flag Pacs 2nd album was done in 92 and thuglife was worked on as a side project while pac was doing Me against the world. Thuglife was released 1st because pac was going through some shit and his label wanted to make sure they would at least have some people to tour/promote in case he was not. Now take the cape off and quit ignoring facts you want to hear the similarites in Concept listen to R Ustill down double disc as a lot of songs from that were from that same period and some were supposed to be on the original MATW. Shit I am Glad Biggie Bit the Concept as the 2nd MATW was far superior to what was shaping up to be the 1st...

shout to 2pac, another brooklyn legend.

Pac had like 98 features on his tho

Biggie had 25 features On 12 songs on LAD Pac had 46 features on 22 songs on AEOM so the ratio of features on feature songs is about the same AEOM just had more collabo Feature Songs...

No he did not, big had like 12 features on lad and six of em were rnb singers sing the hook, 112 was on there twice and LAD had 24 total tracks or something, where did you get 25? And on AEOM, like the entire second disc featured a rapper.

yes he did I counted each individual artists for both 2pac and Biggie, broke down the Groups as individuals and each artist was counted once per song my # 's are accurate. Both Pac and Biggie had a lot of R&B singers on their songs, that is neither here nor there. Not sure what your arguing at this point the facts do not lie and are readily available to us all...

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[P. Town]

Seems right to bring this back

 

[INFAREDSHAWTY]

Seems right to bring this back

look at this happy go lucky ass nigga self promoting... stop uppin ur garbage threads nigga

 

[P. Town]

look at this happy go lucky ass nigga self promoting... stop uppin ur garbage threads nigga

You mad cause everybody don't suck the nigga's dick like you do?