atribecalledgabi
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well, mainstream music today as a whole is shit, so it's not that.
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booty-gif-dot-com
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listening to Mary J's debut album the 411 then the answer would be NO!
by the time you got to Timbaland producing Pony for Ginuwine and One IN A Million for Aaliyah in 1996 you couldve divorce one from the other! it was all hip hop just with some Singing or rapping it was all hip hop anyway!
by the time you got to Timbaland producing Pony for Ginuwine and One IN A Million for Aaliyah in 1996 you couldve divorce one from the other! it was all hip hop just with some Singing or rapping it was all hip hop anyway!
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Shankydizzle
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Soon R&B will get extinct, just like Jazz, everyone loved it ... then all of a sudden no one wants to do Jazz music anymore, since a different genre will come a long, most singers now are doing this gay autotune music & Pop music ...
Hip-hop is slowly dying with all this 'BASED' shit
Hip-hop is slowly dying with all this 'BASED' shit
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My parents are old skool like they grew up in the Good times generation in the 70's with Soul Train although I like 60's soul better like "Rescue me" from sister act and Heatwave.Jazz is also cool and swing but todays R&B has no flavor very unoriginal and females are so unclassy what happened to the Diana Ross's or the Stephanie Mills types of black women.
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Music-wise, no. Chart/Award-wise, hell yeah.
Music genres always interact with each other and all of the outcom can't be bad.
The problem is, we see the politics behind the merge of the 2 genres when it comes to giving awards to artists doing them.
Why can't they make separate categories and celebrate R&B and hiphop artists at the same time??
Why "R&B/Hiphop" charts? Like, each genre ain't big enough?
When you think about it, it stinks.
Are you saying that they're the counter-example?
Music genres always interact with each other and all of the outcom can't be bad.
The problem is, we see the politics behind the merge of the 2 genres when it comes to giving awards to artists doing them.
Why can't they make separate categories and celebrate R&B and hiphop artists at the same time??
Why "R&B/Hiphop" charts? Like, each genre ain't big enough?
When you think about it, it stinks.
TheIraq;3259907 said:Boyz II Men?
Are you saying that they're the counter-example?
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king hassan
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Hip Hop and R & B was ass. I remember Patti Labelle did that song with Big Daddy Kane "Feels Like Another One" and shit seemed to go downhill from there. I don't know who came up with this bright idea
And on another note, what's with all these male R & B singers singing in falsetto nowadays, what the fuck. What happed to the bass voiced singers?
And on another note, what's with all these male R & B singers singing in falsetto nowadays, what the fuck. What happed to the bass voiced singers?
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playmaker88
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Once upon a time it was a pretty good union.. up until the Ja era really.. but now its terrible and tacked on.. and sounds popish.. they need to kill the pop sound in hiphop and rnb all together.. but its the culture... now.. sadly... ThANKS DRAKE!!
Neyo song you make me better was a prime example.. well one of the many of a rap fucking up the song... Neyo is not really juvenille in his lyrics.. but it gets worse when.. thseNEO"RN" artist make their juvenile songs with this silly ass rappers.. shits garbage.. just my opinion
Neyo song you make me better was a prime example.. well one of the many of a rap fucking up the song... Neyo is not really juvenille in his lyrics.. but it gets worse when.. thseNEO"RN" artist make their juvenile songs with this silly ass rappers.. shits garbage.. just my opinion
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No way, in the 90's you had tracks like these being formed by the union.
Alfonso Hunter-Playas Play
[video=youtube;JwcE_Y8rV4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwcE_Y8rV4c[/video]
I'm a 90's kid, so to me the 90's music still surpasses everything else, the union with Hip-Hop brought about a different sound to previously smooth RnB music, not everybody can be talking about how much thye love their girl, how heartbroken they are, the union with Hip-Hop allowed Rnb artists to come out with songs like the above.
Alfonso Hunter-Playas Play
[video=youtube;JwcE_Y8rV4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwcE_Y8rV4c[/video]
I'm a 90's kid, so to me the 90's music still surpasses everything else, the union with Hip-Hop brought about a different sound to previously smooth RnB music, not everybody can be talking about how much thye love their girl, how heartbroken they are, the union with Hip-Hop allowed Rnb artists to come out with songs like the above.
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king hassan;3260507 said:Hip Hop and R & B was ass. I remember Patti Labelle did that song with Big Daddy Kane "Feels Like Another One" and shit seemed to go downhill from there. I don't know who came up with this bright idea
And on another note, what's with all these male R & B singers singing in falsetto nowadays, what the fuck. What happed to the bass voiced singers?
The likes of Dave Hollister were wack?
Really?
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booty-gif-dot-com
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One of the earliest and probably still best merger is Chaka Khan's I Feel For You (1984) featuring Grand Master Melle Mel.
it took a forgotten PRINCE song and flipped it with syntheziers, Scratching, Sampling (Stevie Wonder's Finger Tips part 2) and a rap verse. This song is nearly 30 years old but never sounds dated. its pure genius and shows what Hip Hop can be merging some many different elements!
[video=youtube;aEEkhWSmH50]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEkhWSmH50[/video]
yeah the cheap videos of the 80's ya gotta love em.. LOL
it took a forgotten PRINCE song and flipped it with syntheziers, Scratching, Sampling (Stevie Wonder's Finger Tips part 2) and a rap verse. This song is nearly 30 years old but never sounds dated. its pure genius and shows what Hip Hop can be merging some many different elements!
[video=youtube;aEEkhWSmH50]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEkhWSmH50[/video]
yeah the cheap videos of the 80's ya gotta love em.. LOL
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king hassan
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garv;3262155 said:The likes of Dave Hollister were wack?
Really?
That's not what I said, I'm asking why a lot of cats singing in falsetto nowadays. When is the last time you heard a bass heavy singer, and Dave Hollister was dope to me
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booty-gif-dot-com
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king hassan;3263708 said:That's not what I said, I'm asking why a lot of cats singing in falsetto nowadays. When is the last time you heard a bass heavy singer, and Dave Hollister was dope to me
Dave has a great voice and song lead on the classic "Before I Let You Go" when he was with Black Street.
I think as a solo artist his choice of material wasnt that good! he needed a better writing team and producers post Teddy and Black Street it wasnt that good to me
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stone crazy
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I don't think it was a mistake. When it's done right, it's cool. The reason some singers may attempt appearing like rappers is because of rap's popularity. Also, some rappers appreciate R and B singers and vice versa. That's also why you would see a rapper on a singer's song or the other way around.
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king hassan
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When is the last time you heard a "full rap album" with no singing and a full "r&b album" with no rapping?stone crazy;3265143 said:I don't think it was a mistake. When it's done right, it's cool. The reason some singers may attempt appearing like rappers is because of rap's popularity. Also, some rappers appreciate R and B singers and vice versa. That's also why you would see a rapper on a singer's song or the other way around.
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BlaqueHoney01
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king hassan;3265900 said:When is the last time you heard a "full rap album" with no singing and a full "r&b album" with no rapping?
I agree. Another thing that bugs me is the singers a la Toni Braxton try to hard to keep up with the times instead of putting out good R&B music that developed their fanbase in the first place.
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This started back in the new jack swing era when Teddy Riley used hip-hop beats", and made an R&B tracks over them with Keith Sweat Make It Last Forever back in 1987. Then slowly R&B and hip-hop got blended more and more, first with the beats, then singers started rappers, rappers started singing, rappers started to be featured on R&B tracks and vice versa etc end the rest is history. Or some others say that Teddy got all that from when Jam and Lewis did Control with Janet with beats that were unheard of and had somewhat of a New Jack Swing sound to them before Teddy revolutionized it. That debate could go on forever.
Was it a mistake for the two genres to blend? I don't think so. In my opinion, I just think there should be some type of boundary when they are able to be blended but still able to stay true to their genres.
Was it a mistake for the two genres to blend? I don't think so. In my opinion, I just think there should be some type of boundary when they are able to be blended but still able to stay true to their genres.
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