Twista Admits To Using Ghostwriters

[IceBergTaylor]

Haaaaaa this dude JJ has no rebuttal he duckin the debate like a mufucka. Just admit you don't have the answers sway

 

[qawshun]

Damn shame Twista, i wonder who's next ?

 

[5 Grand]

I think younger heads (MCs and fans) would do themselves a favor by listening to Rappers Delight and other old school songs and analyzing the lyrics. the delivery and cadence might sound dated, but the actual lyrics and composition is as complex as anything out now.

I think using "Rappers Delight" is a bad example to prove your point but i agree with your general statement

If you compare the old school club/party songs to ones today lyrically, they are about even but sum of that 80's shit definitley sound dated

Rappers Delight is the Best example to prove my point. People try to hate because of the way it starts off ("I said a Hip Hop A Hibby to the Hibby...") but if you sit through the entire song those guys were spitting A-1 lyrics. Not just Hank but Wonder Mike and Master G too.

In fact, I'll post it; Here's the 15 minute version

Rappers Delight (15 Minute Version) - Sugarhill Gang

 

[_Goldie_]

Stop trying to make this ghostwriting shit happen; it's not going to happen.

You fuck niggas know what the difference is between the chorus and actual bars.

Ya'll want the game to be bubblegum pop sooooooo bad.

We had to accept wack niggas a decade ago, now they want us to accept rappers that use ghostwriters smh.

Unless you're Diddy, Dre, Drake, Eazy E and people of that ilk you will lose credibility instantly.

LOL....you know damn well Drake doesn't deserve to be grouped in with them.

He's more of an entertainer than an emcee besides that there's nothing wrong with being in that Dr Dre/Diddy lane.

The fact that he constantly refers to himself as one of the greatest rappers ever?

You can't be the greatest rapper ever if you used a ghostwriter.

 

[sr_the_freshman]

Stop trying to make this ghostwriting shit happen; it's not going to happen.

You fuck niggas know what the difference is between the chorus and actual bars.

Ya'll want the game to be bubblegum pop sooooooo bad.

We had to accept wack niggas a decade ago, now they want us to accept rappers that use ghostwriters smh.

Unless you're Diddy, Dre, Drake, Eazy E and people of that ilk you will lose credibility instantly.

LOL....you know damn well Drake doesn't deserve to be grouped in with them.

He's more of an entertainer than an emcee besides that there's nothing wrong with being in that Dr Dre/Diddy lane.

I consider him an emcee more than an entertainer. I think some people still refuse to give him props because he blew past some of their favorite MCs. Shit, the guy has the game on lock......Damn near everything he puts his voice to becomes a hit in the club and/or radio.

That Diddy/Eazy/Dre lane is an insult to him and you know it.....LOL. Even after the Meek bullshit, many heavys in the industry still gave his pen game major props.

he took a load of weeknds tracks for his what people say is his best album 'take care'

jacked rappin 4 tays verse

got outed as having reference tracks and at least one but likely multiple writers

hotline bling was originally a cha cha remix till they hid all that

and more shit im forgetting. he is a heavily manufactured pop artist with a huge machine behind him, seems blatantly obvious.

The same posters (and their aliases) from the Drake -v- Meek thread are in here making the same failed arguments.

Why do you consider facts to be failed arguments?

How did you draw that conclusion?

Go to the Drake -vs- Meek thread and you can answer your own questions.

Like I told that alias account, this thread had opened the door for bitter individuals to push the same old failed arguments.

lol nigga, none of the arguments failed. You just out here with your thumb in your ears like:

This is YOUR thread, that YOU chose to post up, cuz YOU wanted to use the topic to validate YOUR favorite artist the Beige Knight. You've been doin' this shit since the summer exposure, postin that same ass Nas video which we've already explained is completely different then Drake getting entire records, bars and chorus, practically written for him. You out here lowkey about to strip BCotton naked of his Stan of the Year award, and that nigga is a legendary Young Money soldier. Shit is preposterous.

 

[KingFreeman]

Stop trying to make this ghostwriting shit happen; it's not going to happen.

You fuck niggas know what the difference is between the chorus and actual bars.

Ya'll want the game to be bubblegum pop sooooooo bad.

We had to accept wack niggas a decade ago, now they want us to accept rappers that use ghostwriters smh.

Unless you're Diddy, Dre, Drake, Eazy E and people of that ilk you will lose credibility instantly.

LOL....you know damn well Drake doesn't deserve to be grouped in with them.

He's more of an entertainer than an emcee besides that there's nothing wrong with being in that Dr Dre/Diddy lane.

I consider him an emcee more than an entertainer. I think some people still refuse to give him props because he blew past some of their favorite MCs. Shit, the guy has the game on lock......Damn near everything he puts his voice to becomes a hit in the club and/or radio.

That Diddy/Eazy/Dre lane is an insult to him and you know it.....LOL. Even after the Meek bullshit, many heavys in the industry still gave his pen game major props.

he took a load of weeknds tracks for his what people say is his best album 'take care'

jacked rappin 4 tays verse

got outed as having reference tracks and at least one but likely multiple writers

hotline bling was originally a cha cha remix till they hid all that

and more shit im forgetting. he is a heavily manufactured pop artist with a huge machine behind him, seems blatantly obvious.

Weeknd said he only wrote the singing parts not the bars and Drake debuted Hotline Bling as the Cha Cha Remix....now him using ghostwriters on If You're Reading This is inexcusable and he's forever got that stain on his record but 2 of those instances you mentioned have been explained multiple times

But most of Take Care was ballads...

And when did he say this?

He said it in his Rolling Stone interview. Said the singing parts for songs like Shot For Me and Crew Love that were originally his were written but Drake wrote his own bars...

They been knowing this shit. We all have, but logic isn't winning this arguement. Niggas just don't want to admit they can't be objective when it comes to drake cause they genuinely don't fuck with him, but too many other people do. That kills them.

 

[hiphop12345]

I pray Nas get ousted with ghost writers so we can see all the tears flow from you niggas

Yall only want this shit to happen as to validate your favorite, ghostwriter assisted artist, which is wack.

It's wack no matter who do it. Hip hop has always been about originality and standin on your own two.

but the first rap song to pop was ghostwritten........

First rap song to pop isn't a part of the Golden Era. Niggas evolved beyond that.

there were ghostwriters and producers during that Era as well...its part of the game...i dont like it none but its part of the game

Yes ghostwriting always existed. Just like fouls exist in basketball. Just like steroids exist in athletics. Just like implants exist in hoes.

It's still a foul. It's still cheating. It's still unauthentic. Still unacceptable in the game.

Thing is, I'm a fan of music. Cheating, fouls, all that shit only affects rankings of rappers. I personally don't care where any of these niggas are ranked. Rankings are all opinions anyway. I only care about the lyrics themselves and how the music sounds. Some of you would flat out stop listening to a song because you found out the artist didn't write it. That shit's silly to me.

Miley Cyrus>>>>>2pac.

 

[Screwtape]

Stop trying to make this ghostwriting shit happen; it's not going to happen.

You fuck niggas know what the difference is between the chorus and actual bars.

Ya'll want the game to be bubblegum pop sooooooo bad.

We had to accept wack niggas a decade ago, now they want us to accept rappers that use ghostwriters smh.

Unless you're Diddy, Dre, Drake, Eazy E and people of that ilk you will lose credibility instantly.

LOL....you know damn well Drake doesn't deserve to be grouped in with them.

He's more of an entertainer than an emcee besides that there's nothing wrong with being in that Dr Dre/Diddy lane.

I consider him an emcee more than an entertainer. I think some people still refuse to give him props because he blew past some of their favorite MCs. Shit, the guy has the game on lock......Damn near everything he puts his voice to becomes a hit in the club and/or radio.

That Diddy/Eazy/Dre lane is an insult to him and you know it.....LOL. Even after the Meek bullshit, many heavys in the industry still gave his pen game major props.

he took a load of weeknds tracks for his what people say is his best album 'take care'

jacked rappin 4 tays verse

got outed as having reference tracks and at least one but likely multiple writers

hotline bling was originally a cha cha remix till they hid all that

and more shit im forgetting. he is a heavily manufactured pop artist with a huge machine behind him, seems blatantly obvious.

The same posters (and their aliases) from the Drake -v- Meek thread are in here making the same failed arguments.

haha, literally the exact response i expected from you. being an idiot is one thing, being a predictable idiot is another thing altogether my friend

those were cold hard facts anyway. youre a drake fan, stop with deflections talking nonsense about old threads, some of the stuff i mentioned has recently come to light

so back up your boy, refute my facts. im interested to hear your opinion, not some defelection about an old thread and aliases. thats what this forum is about isnt it, peoples different opinions?

and yo who am i an alias of? i aint no fkin alias mate, name names if youre gonna throw sly, completely unfounded shit around.

 

[Screwtape]

Stop trying to make this ghostwriting shit happen; it's not going to happen.

You fuck niggas know what the difference is between the chorus and actual bars.

Ya'll want the game to be bubblegum pop sooooooo bad.

We had to accept wack niggas a decade ago, now they want us to accept rappers that use ghostwriters smh.

Unless you're Diddy, Dre, Drake, Eazy E and people of that ilk you will lose credibility instantly.

LOL....you know damn well Drake doesn't deserve to be grouped in with them.

He's more of an entertainer than an emcee besides that there's nothing wrong with being in that Dr Dre/Diddy lane.

I consider him an emcee more than an entertainer. I think some people still refuse to give him props because he blew past some of their favorite MCs. Shit, the guy has the game on lock......Damn near everything he puts his voice to becomes a hit in the club and/or radio.

That Diddy/Eazy/Dre lane is an insult to him and you know it.....LOL. Even after the Meek bullshit, many heavys in the industry still gave his pen game major props.

he took a load of weeknds tracks for his what people say is his best album 'take care'

jacked rappin 4 tays verse

got outed as having reference tracks and at least one but likely multiple writers

hotline bling was originally a cha cha remix till they hid all that

and more shit im forgetting. he is a heavily manufactured pop artist with a huge machine behind him, seems blatantly obvious.

The same posters (and their aliases) from the Drake -v- Meek thread are in here making the same failed arguments.

Why do you consider facts to be failed arguments?

How did you draw that conclusion?

exactly

 

[hiphop12345]

If Nas has or had a ghostwriter that shit would be terrible.

dream Hampton started a rumor about that during the Untitled press run.

During life is good, after all the great press Nas was getting.

 

[BlackAX410]

Lmao yall really think twista doesn't write his own songs? His style is way too unique for his best work to be ghost written, I highly doubt da resurrection, kamikaze, and adrenaline rush were ghost written

 

[illedout]

If Nas has or had a ghostwriter that shit would be terrible.

dream Hampton started a rumor about that during the Untitled press run.

During life is good, after all the great press Nas was getting.

Dream Hampton did that shit cause she's obsessed with jigga,

and somebody called her show praising Nas' catalogue,

so she said the bullshit about jay elect and sticc man from dead prez..

both Sticc man and Jay elect came out and killed that rumor,

before it even started to travel..

It's already been publicized that most drake fans are bitches and bitch ass niggas..

They willing to tear Nas down just to try and build drake up..

They write letters to judges to get a nigga locked up..

They excuse/ignore the fact he use ghost writers..

They ignore the fact that another man peed on him..

Liking his music is one thing .

but going in different threads defending his honor is straight up fagotry..

Facts is facts..

Dude has a lot of suspect shit about him,

and the lengths his fans will go to defend him is scary..

SMH..

You weirdo's prolly don't put the same amount of energy,

Into defending or protecting your mother and children as you do that pansy..

 

[sr_the_freshman]

If Nas has or had a ghostwriter that shit would be terrible.

dream Hampton started a rumor about that during the Untitled press run.

During life is good, after all the great press Nas was getting.

Dream Hampton did that shit cause she's obsessed with jigga,

and somebody called her show praising Nas' catalogue,

so she said the bullshit about jay elect and sticc man from dead prez..

both Sticc man and Jay elect came out and killed that rumor,

before it even started to travel..

It's already been publicized that most drake fans are bitches and bitch ass niggas..

They willing to tear Nas down just to try and build drake up..

They write letters to judges to get a nigga locked up..

They excuse/ignore the fact he use ghost writers..

They ignore the fact that another man peed on him..

Liking his music is one thing .

but going in different threads defending his honor is straight up fagotry..

Facts is facts..

Dude has a lot of suspect shit about him,

and the lengths his fans will go to defend him is scary..

SMH..

You weirdo's prolly don't put the same amount of energy,

Into defending or protecting your mother and children as you do that pansy..

 

[mosincredible]

I pray Nas get ousted with ghost writers so we can see all the tears flow from you niggas

Yall only want this shit to happen as to validate your favorite, ghostwriter assisted artist, which is wack.

It's wack no matter who do it. Hip hop has always been about originality and standin on your own two.

but the first rap song to pop was ghostwritten........

First rap song to pop isn't a part of the Golden Era. Niggas evolved beyond that.

there were ghostwriters and producers during that Era as well...its part of the game...i dont like it none but its part of the game

Yes ghostwriting always existed. Just like fouls exist in basketball. Just like steroids exist in athletics. Just like implants exist in hoes.

It's still a foul. It's still cheating. It's still unauthentic. Still unacceptable in the game.

Thing is, I'm a fan of music. Cheating, fouls, all that shit only affects rankings of rappers. I personally don't care where any of these niggas are ranked. Rankings are all opinions anyway. I only care about the lyrics themselves and how the music sounds. Some of you would flat out stop listening to a song because you found out the artist didn't write it. That shit's silly to me.

Rap is a competitive. Ranking is not 100% opinions

You niggas can't claim to be all about the 'feeling' of records, and say something like this. Using Drake as an example, the nigga is constantly toating his lyrical prowess on wax. The 'lyrics themselves' is him talking shit about being the best in his sport. Over and over. So... do you care about what is being said? Cuz the shit isn't true. Can you relate to it? No, your not a platinum selling artist. Or are you one of those niggas who just "like the way it sounds"? Because if that is the case, then the lyrics can be inaudible on some Young Thug. You should be ready to cosign that as well.

And if that is indeed the case, then why are you worried about this discussion? Be a music fan, that's cool. There are ditzy white bitches who are simply fans of 'music' as well and thats fine.

But rap fans are rap fans because they know the rules of the genre, and indulge in it's competitiveness, as well as the truth it speaks to us. As fans of the genre, we dictate the the quality of the end product with our voice.

A lot of yall remind me of woman who claim to be sports fans. These hoes don't really care about the game; they care about specific players and the presentation. Niggas like me actually like the game itself.

I pray Nas get ousted with ghost writers so we can see all the tears flow from you niggas

Yall only want this shit to happen as to validate your favorite, ghostwriter assisted artist, which is wack.

It's wack no matter who do it. Hip hop has always been about originality and standin on your own two.

but the first rap song to pop was ghostwritten........

First rap song to pop isn't a part of the Golden Era. Niggas evolved beyond that.

there were ghostwriters and producers during that Era as well...its part of the game...i dont like it none but its part of the game

Yes ghostwriting always existed. Just like fouls exist in basketball. Just like steroids exist in athletics. Just like implants exist in hoes.

It's still a foul. It's still cheating. It's still unauthentic. Still unacceptable in the game.

Thing is, I'm a fan of music. Cheating, fouls, all that shit only affects rankings of rappers. I personally don't care where any of these niggas are ranked. Rankings are all opinions anyway. I only care about the lyrics themselves and how the music sounds. Some of you would flat out stop listening to a song because you found out the artist didn't write it. That shit's silly to me.

Miley Cyrus>>>>>2pac.

Lol. Typical Reason responses. One extreme or the other. Miley Cyrus, Young Thug and anybody whose music sounds like theirs is trash to me. Just because I said I don't necessarily care how a song is crafted doesn't mean I don't like quality. Dumbasses.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

I seen you niggas defend worse shit then drake stans tho

 

[Screwtape]

I seen you niggas defend worse shit then drake stans tho

nah. not here

 

[StoneColdMikey]

I seen you niggas defend worse shit then drake stans tho

nah. not here

Lmfaooooooooo I been here for 5 years I seen worst foh

 

[Screwtape]

I seen you niggas defend worse shit then drake stans tho

nah. not here

Lmfaooooooooo I been here for 5 years I seen worst foh

not in any way, ive been here 8 years on and off and there is no way you can tell me the IC isnt anything other than fair and impartial, its just that some posters are mentally retarded and struggle to get their point across.

 

[sr_the_freshman]

I pray Nas get ousted with ghost writers so we can see all the tears flow from you niggas

Yall only want this shit to happen as to validate your favorite, ghostwriter assisted artist, which is wack.

It's wack no matter who do it. Hip hop has always been about originality and standin on your own two.

but the first rap song to pop was ghostwritten........

First rap song to pop isn't a part of the Golden Era. Niggas evolved beyond that.

there were ghostwriters and producers during that Era as well...its part of the game...i dont like it none but its part of the game

Yes ghostwriting always existed. Just like fouls exist in basketball. Just like steroids exist in athletics. Just like implants exist in hoes.

It's still a foul. It's still cheating. It's still unauthentic. Still unacceptable in the game.

Thing is, I'm a fan of music. Cheating, fouls, all that shit only affects rankings of rappers. I personally don't care where any of these niggas are ranked. Rankings are all opinions anyway. I only care about the lyrics themselves and how the music sounds. Some of you would flat out stop listening to a song because you found out the artist didn't write it. That shit's silly to me.

Rap is a competitive. Ranking is not 100% opinions

You niggas can't claim to be all about the 'feeling' of records, and say something like this. Using Drake as an example, the nigga is constantly toating his lyrical prowess on wax. The 'lyrics themselves' is him talking shit about being the best in his sport. Over and over. So... do you care about what is being said? Cuz the shit isn't true. Can you relate to it? No, your not a platinum selling artist. Or are you one of those niggas who just "like the way it sounds"? Because if that is the case, then the lyrics can be inaudible on some Young Thug. You should be ready to cosign that as well.

And if that is indeed the case, then why are you worried about this discussion? Be a music fan, that's cool. There are ditzy white bitches who are simply fans of 'music' as well and thats fine.

But rap fans are rap fans because they know the rules of the genre, and indulge in it's competitiveness, as well as the truth it speaks to us. As fans of the genre, we dictate the the quality of the end product with our voice.

A lot of yall remind me of woman who claim to be sports fans. These hoes don't really care about the game; they care about specific players and the presentation. Niggas like me actually like the game itself.

I pray Nas get ousted with ghost writers so we can see all the tears flow from you niggas

Yall only want this shit to happen as to validate your favorite, ghostwriter assisted artist, which is wack.

It's wack no matter who do it. Hip hop has always been about originality and standin on your own two.

but the first rap song to pop was ghostwritten........

First rap song to pop isn't a part of the Golden Era. Niggas evolved beyond that.

there were ghostwriters and producers during that Era as well...its part of the game...i dont like it none but its part of the game

Yes ghostwriting always existed. Just like fouls exist in basketball. Just like steroids exist in athletics. Just like implants exist in hoes.

It's still a foul. It's still cheating. It's still unauthentic. Still unacceptable in the game.

Thing is, I'm a fan of music. Cheating, fouls, all that shit only affects rankings of rappers. I personally don't care where any of these niggas are ranked. Rankings are all opinions anyway. I only care about the lyrics themselves and how the music sounds. Some of you would flat out stop listening to a song because you found out the artist didn't write it. That shit's silly to me.

Miley Cyrus>>>>>2pac.

Lol. Typical Reason responses. One extreme or the other. Miley Cyrus, Young Thug and anybody whose music sounds like theirs is trash to me. Just because I said I don't necessarily care how a song is crafted doesn't mean I don't like quality. Dumbasses.

You didn't address anything in that post.

If your simply a fan of music only concerned about sound, then maintain your prerogative, and stay out of the way of niggas who are legit fans of rap.

That is not what you niggas are doing though. Ya'll are caping for Drake; attempting to validate him, and trying to tell niggas that they are "silly" for discontinuing their support for some shit that has been deemed unauthentic.

You think it's "silly" for niggas to stop listening to some shit based off of anything other then the music sound.

I think that is shallow bullshit.

I think it's "silly" to try to tell niggas they're wrong for expecting a level of authenticity behind their music.

 

[blackrain]

I seen you niggas defend worse shit then drake stans tho

nah. not here

Lmfaooooooooo I been here for 5 years I seen worst foh

not in any way, ive been here 8 years on and off and there is no way you can tell me the IC isnt anything other than fair and impartial, its just that some posters are mentally retarded and struggle to get their point across.

Lmao the IC ain't impartial when it comes to this shit. Never has been