Casino_Slim
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Can't compare them two different producers in different era's. Dre's forte is gangsta rap. Ye is more universal Premo is actually Dre's equal. The Deathrow shit fucked Dre up .If he had produced more in the mid to late 90's then it wouldn't even be a discussion . Then his failures with The Firm Album, Rakim, Dawn from EnVogue, Busta ,Raekwon, Joell Ortiz, Eve R&B none of those two cats are above JD or early 90's Puffy
Breezy_Kilroy
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Dre can't really get credit for Kendrick. He cosigned him but he ain't put him on like a Snoop or a Em.
CeLLaR-DooR
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Dre's my joint no.1 with RZA. Kanye probably bout 4 or 5
soul rattler
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Stew;6857031 said:
Putting his name on other people's work is enough to cause friction between Dre and others. You think one of Dre's friends are gonna be like "Yeah Dre stay taking other people's beats, that's still my nigga tho"?
soul rattler
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Hans Zimmer >>>> both them niggas
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Mel-Man
Mel was recognized as a Pittsburgh hip-hop legend,
long before making his imprint on the game by co-producing with Dr. Dre from the mid-90s to early 2000s.
Older heads acknowledge his involvement in the Hardcore Crew.
Mel remained behind the scenes throughout much of his career.
However, that didn’t stop him from influencing two of the most influential producers,
in the history of hip-hop, Dr. Dre and RZA..
Mel-Man
Mel was recognized as a Pittsburgh hip-hop legend,
long before making his imprint on the game by co-producing with Dr. Dre from the mid-90s to early 2000s.
Older heads acknowledge his involvement in the Hardcore Crew.
Mel remained behind the scenes throughout much of his career.
However, that didn’t stop him from influencing two of the most influential producers,
in the history of hip-hop, Dr. Dre and RZA..
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Stew
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illedout;6857428 said:@Stew
Mel-Man
Mel was recognized as a Pittsburgh hip-hop legend,
long before making his imprint on the game by co-producing with Dr. Dre from the mid-90s to early 2000s.
Older heads acknowledge his involvement in the Hardcore Crew.
Mel remained behind the scenes throughout much of his career.
However, that didn’t stop him from influencing two of the most influential producers,
in the history of hip-hop, Dr. Dre and RZA..
Ok?
Stew;6857442 said:illedout;6857428 said:@Stew
Mel-Man
Mel was recognized as a Pittsburgh hip-hop legend,
long before making his imprint on the game by co-producing with Dr. Dre from the mid-90s to early 2000s.
Older heads acknowledge his involvement in the Hardcore Crew.
Mel remained behind the scenes throughout much of his career.
However, that didn’t stop him from influencing two of the most influential producers,
in the history of hip-hop, Dr. Dre and RZA..
Ok?
The Mel-Man signed a deal with Dre as an in-house producer..
Dre was putting his name on the Melman's beats since the 90's..
Stew
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illedout;6857458 said:Stew;6857442 said:illedout;6857428 said:@Stew
Mel-Man
Mel was recognized as a Pittsburgh hip-hop legend,
long before making his imprint on the game by co-producing with Dr. Dre from the mid-90s to early 2000s.
Older heads acknowledge his involvement in the Hardcore Crew.
Mel remained behind the scenes throughout much of his career.
However, that didn’t stop him from influencing two of the most influential producers,
in the history of hip-hop, Dr. Dre and RZA..
Ok?
The Mel-Man signed a deal with Dre as an in-house producer..
Dre was putting his name on the Melman's beats since the 90's..
lol that article did not prove that. I'll go a step further and let you hear from Mel-Mans mouth who's the best producer.
"These are all from dubcnn where Mel-Man posts. Its a great insight into Dr Dre...
Q: Who is a better producer, Dre or Quik?
A: That is a question I get on this board and in public a lot. I don't know why but I will give you my opinion. Dre is hands down the better "producer". Before all you DJ quik fans jump all over me, please note that Quik is easily on of the best producers in all of music and I looove his sound. like Sven said quik is a lot like Dre. While both have sampled, or replayed and expanded like Dre did in the ruthless and [rip] row years, both dre and quik try to create MUSIC using mostly live instrumentations. Both have used actual live drums on a number of records, as well as live ba## of all types, pianos, keys, horns, guitars, flutes, sax, xzylophone, etc. Quik and Dre have different sounds for the most part but they are almost identical in how they hire musicians for most of the actual played music. neither really play any instruments. both are incredible on the drum machine and both can play keyboards, quik is arguably a little better than dre on the keys while Dre is agruably better on the drum machine. I do disagree with quik being a one man band. If you listen to Quik's first four albums you mostly hear the incredible Robert Bacon playing most, if not all of the instruments. Bacon is Quik's secret weapon. that doesn't take anything away from Dj quik but I am giving credit where credit is due. Robert is simply one of the best musicians to ever be involved in hip hop. Dre has discovered and/or used some incredible musicians during his career - Colin Wolfe, Mike Simms, Sean Thomas, T green, Scott Storch, Camara Kamron - to name a few. Dre gives all of the musicians he has used a lot of credit for being a big part of his success. Quik has also had other great musicans besides Fonksta Bacon too. The fact is that Dre and Quik are the top producers in rap MUSIC because they create music and hire some incredible musicians to help them bring their ideas to musical life.
Why is Dre a better producer, in my humble opinion, than quik? Being a PRODUCER is so much more than being a musician. Only in rap is a producer expected to play instruments on tracks. Most music producers don't play anything on the records. Great producers do however have the "ear" and understand melodies, and how best to mazimize an instruments and the musicians potential. Dre has one of the best ears there is. believe me he has made me a better musician than I ever thought i could be because he knows exactly how to tweak what I play from good to great. Producers coach, discover talent, mentor, shape, mold, compose, create, adjust, innovate, arrainge, focus, orchestrate, direct and so much more. Dre does all of that, and as a total package does that as well as or better than any producer in modern music history.
Quik hasn't really changed his sound ever. He was forced to after Robert left, but its been pretty consistent in direction(this is not a criticism of quik, this is the style he is so good at, and the style we all love). Dre has changed his music and the sound of music itself more than once. With NWA and being the main creative force behind Ruthless records he helped change the sound of rap music and what could be said on records. With The Chronic he was the leader in bringing a fresh sound - g-funk - to music. If you bought that album when it came out in dec. 92 it blew you away as it was unlike anything you had ever heard before. The chronic also brought gangsta rap to the ma##es and made it a cultural phenomenon (along with saving Interscope from folding). When Dre left to start Aftermath he changed the course of music forever (again) with the discovery of eminem. he also helped make 50 and now game into superstars as well.
Dre has discovered some of the biggest artists in music history and as a producer he molded those artists by taking them from unpolished diamonds to polished muliplatinum selling artists. Quik has never really discovered anyone who blew up. As a producer Dre works harder than anyone else and demands more from his artists than anyone else. He mentors artists and maximizes their talent. He has the incredible ability to bring the best out of any artist and helps them to perform at incredible levels or career best levels. And I haven't even brought out the fact that albums Dre has produced on have easily eclipsed the 100 million mark in sales. Quik hasn't even hit 10 million. But I don't really want to use record sales as a factor in determining how good a producer is. Jimmy Iovine calls Dre the most influential record producer in music history. While I won't put him alone at the top he's definetly on the short list.
In the end everyone has their own opinion. There is no right or wrong. if you think quik is the best great. if he's your favorite great. Quik is an incredible talent and a better musician but I just don't think its fair to compare him to Dre as a PRODUCER. Dre, as a PRODUCER, is as good as there has ever been. He is the Michael Jordan of Rap. But like I said i could be completely wrong. Just enjoy the talents of each man as you won't see the likes of them very often ever again"
TrillRussell
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Stew;6857159 said:
What more proof do you need than members of DEATH ROW saying that he wasn't producing shit?..They'd know before somebody on the outside looking in don't you think?..What you looking for 1 of his friends to out him?..it's well Documented that Daz,Warren G,and Dj quik was producing beats that dre would pay credits for under the table..And post Death Row Scott Storch was producing shit that he was taking credit for..look it up
Stew
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TrillRussell;6857493 said:
Yea let's listen to a bunch of bitter niggas talk about Dre being gay and takin credit for beats that weren't his cause he made the smartest decision in rap history to leave that label before they went to shit. That makes perfect sense.
I'm still waiting for proof......
TrillRussell
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Stew;6857506 said:
So just because niggas got beef that means no truth can be told?..So anytime in Rap history where niggas had problems with eachother everything that was said was A lie simply because they had beef?.They gotta be best of friends in order for anything on that subject to be believable?.that makes sense.
