Cabana_Da_Don
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Under Florida law, use of deadly force can be lawful if one fears that they will be killed or severely injured; even if they are the aggressor.rockets;4423585 said:So you think he's going to walk? I don't know what the big deal is. He was smoking weed and has his middle finger up in this picture. What 17 year old hasn't smoked weed and flipped off the camera. I mean really. Plus self defense means using reasonable or similiar force to get away from the attacker. Zimmerman pursued first and used a gun in a fist fight. How is that "self defense" The answer is, its not. GZ might walk. Actually i wouldn't be surprised if he did, but it would not be because of any bullshit posted in the article above. The case is open and closed in my opinion and in most reasonable people's minds. It will be just plain ole racial injustice if this guy walks.
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.
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776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.
fuc_i_look_like;4423626 said:@Bookworm
Zimmerman ain't white. Even tho He's half, dude couldn't even pass for White cuz he looks straight up Mexican
fuc_i_look_like;4423626 said:@Bookworm
Zimmerman ain't white. Even tho He's half, dude couldn't even pass for White cuz he looks straight up Mexican
rockets;4423585 said:So you think he's going to walk? I don't know what the big deal is. He was smoking weed and has his middle finger up in this picture. What 17 year old hasn't smoked weed and flipped off the camera. I mean really. Plus self defense means using reasonable or similiar force to get away from the attacker. Zimmerman pursued first and used a gun in a fist fight. How is that "self defense" The answer is, its not. GZ might walk. Actually i wouldn't be surprised if he did, but it would not be because of any bullshit posted in the article above. The case is open and closed in my opinion and in most reasonable people's minds. It will be just plain ole racial injustice if this guy walks.
>Saying the facts are unknown.Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
fiat_money;4423662 said:>Saying the facts are unknown.Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.
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Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
Disregarding a suggestion from a 911 operator is not a crime, neither is getting out of one's car.Bookworm;4423716 said:Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
fiat_money;4423662 said:>Saying the facts are unknown.Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.
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freehuey89;4423545 said:cant wait till they use weed in his system against him....not to mention thc stays in the system at least 60 days
Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
"His conclusion" as in "Bookworm's" conclusion that Zimmerman "should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder"?The Lonious Monk;4423867 said:fiat_money;4423662 said:>Saying the facts are unknown.Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.
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Well to be fair, the facts that support his conclusion are actually among the few that are known. They are proven by the call and confirmed by Zimmerman's own statement.
riddlerap;4424045 said:when will the the majority of you just admit you jumped the gun and figured you should be outraged way before you knew much of anything or any facts, and now that facts are presented, youre too emotionally invested and biased to accept them?
fiat_money;4423745 said:Disregarding a suggestion from a 911 operator is not a crime, neither is getting out of one's car.Bookworm;4423716 said:Bookworm;4423595 said:WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
Both inconsequential from a legal standpoint at this time.