Trayvon had drugs in his system and all injuries show signs of a struggle.

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rockets;4423585 said:
So you think he's going to walk? I don't know what the big deal is. He was smoking weed and has his middle finger up in this picture. What 17 year old hasn't smoked weed and flipped off the camera. I mean really. Plus self defense means using reasonable or similiar force to get away from the attacker. Zimmerman pursued first and used a gun in a fist fight. How is that "self defense" The answer is, its not. GZ might walk. Actually i wouldn't be surprised if he did, but it would not be because of any bullshit posted in the article above. The case is open and closed in my opinion and in most reasonable people's minds. It will be just plain ole racial injustice if this guy walks.
Under Florida law, use of deadly force can be lawful if one fears that they will be killed or severely injured; even if they are the aggressor.
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

[...]

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.
 
fuc_i_look_like;4423626 said:
@Bookworm

Zimmerman ain't white. Even tho He's half, dude couldn't even pass for White cuz he looks straight up Mexican

depends on the picture. in the older pictures you can tell, but the more recent ones would stump some people. he looks like a tan white guy

 
fuc_i_look_like;4423626 said:
@Bookworm

Zimmerman ain't white. Even tho He's half, dude couldn't even pass for White cuz he looks straight up Mexican

well he's not black it seems in FL thats all that matters

 
rockets;4423585 said:
So you think he's going to walk? I don't know what the big deal is. He was smoking weed and has his middle finger up in this picture. What 17 year old hasn't smoked weed and flipped off the camera. I mean really. Plus self defense means using reasonable or similiar force to get away from the attacker. Zimmerman pursued first and used a gun in a fist fight. How is that "self defense" The answer is, its not. GZ might walk. Actually i wouldn't be surprised if he did, but it would not be because of any bullshit posted in the article above. The case is open and closed in my opinion and in most reasonable people's minds. It will be just plain ole racial injustice if this guy walks.

They''re basically trying to find an angle to promote that white white people would deem as accetable terms to have had killed and executed that nigger.

Now white america can say well that nigger was high on weed. An they'll show us the 1960's anti marijuana commercials.

See its a game, no one isjust a good person and is going to say....ya know what, Zimmmerman you shouldn have followed and killed that boy, you couldv'e just went inside your home and told your fears to the police, instead of shooting an unarmed teenager.

Instead them devils are gonna find and even fabricate an angle for him to get off.

Ad white America wants that, if it's a good enough angle, they'll eat it up.

Because the Court Room is white Americas Basetball court, football field and boxing ring, its the arena where they win everyrace war.

And thats what this is now, a race war, and they looking at Trayvon as just a victory over the black people.

 
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Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Saying the facts are unknown.

>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.


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fiat_money;4423662 said:
Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Saying the facts are unknown.

>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.


3ElR9.jpg

 
Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.

 
Bookworm;4423716 said:
Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
Disregarding a suggestion from a 911 operator is not a crime, neither is getting out of one's car.

Both inconsequential from a legal standpoint at this time.
 
fiat_money;4423662 said:
Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Saying the facts are unknown.

>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.


3ElR9.jpg

Well to be fair, the facts that support his conclusion are actually among the few that are known. They are proven by the call and confirmed by Zimmerman's own statement.
 
freehuey89;4423545 said:
cant wait till they use weed in his system against him....not to mention thc stays in the system at least 60 days

^

this.... he could've gotten high on some loud the day before or even a week before the incident...

plus we already knew trayvon smoked weed so why is this even a story? ....

 
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Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.

the prosecutor corey is tough and respected in florida so i don't think she would put her rep on the line to momentarily appease the public only to watch gz walk free and more protests because she couldn't sufficiently prove her case ...

so what i'm thinking and hoping she has something up her sleeve

or maybe the parents have samples of trayvon's voice maybe an old voice mail or something and i think his last phone call w/ his gf should be still available .... the two experts already believe it wasn't zimmerman so if it is proven to be martin's voice that along with the 911 tapes should be enough for a conviction. after all, to shoot someone while they're screaming for help, a clear indicator they're losing the struggle, that speaks to hatred and intention to kill.... long shot though but we all know had george had never followed trayvon in the first place, none of this would have ever happened.

 
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The Lonious Monk;4423867 said:
fiat_money;4423662 said:
Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
>Saying the facts are unknown.

>Making a conclusion about what he should be charged with.


3ElR9.jpg

Well to be fair, the facts that support his conclusion are actually among the few that are known. They are proven by the call and confirmed by Zimmerman's own statement.
"His conclusion" as in "Bookworm's" conclusion that Zimmerman "should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder"?

If so, which facts support this conclusion?
 
when will the the majority of you just admit you jumped the gun and figured you should be outraged way before you knew much of anything or any facts, and now that facts are presented, youre too emotionally invested and biased to accept them?
 
riddlerap;4424045 said:
when will the the majority of you just admit you jumped the gun and figured you should be outraged way before you knew much of anything or any facts, and now that facts are presented, youre too emotionally invested and biased to accept them?

They'll never do that. Shit happens all the time. What a lot of black people don't understand is that shit like this is the exact reason that people like Zimmerman get off. The media and black leaders constantly have the black community jumping the gun, and then the truth comes out making everyone look stupid. And as a result the black community often looks like a bunch of whiners that just cry wolf all the time. If we simply fought our battles more wisely, our efforts would have more impact.

 
fiat_money;4423745 said:
Bookworm;4423716 said:
Bookworm;4423595 said:
WTF. Nobody know all the facts about what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that Zimmerman targeted Treyvon and followed him even though he was specifically told not to (911 Call). That's not something someone who is afraid will do. Everyone teaches their kids that if a stranger approaches them to run and if that fails defend yourself. Why is everyone acting like he did something wrong by defending himself. Point blank if that mofo stayed in his car that boy would still be alive. He should at the very least catch a manslaughter charge though the case can be made for murder. Personally I think he will get off cuz hes white and its Florida. I'm pulling the race card bc if he was black he would have been arrested on site.
Disregarding a suggestion from a 911 operator is not a crime, neither is getting out of one's car.

Both inconsequential from a legal standpoint at this time.

So if disregarding a suggestion from a 911 operator was a crime would your whole argument change?

 

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