Top Ten Lightsaber fighters in Star Wars

[jee504]

learned a lot in this thread. dope drops

 

[Crimson11]

It's been a while since I read the novelization, but it did not say Sidious threw the fight, at least no the saber portion. It flat out said that Mace was pushing Sidious back. If Sidious threw the fight, it was when Mace was reflecting his lightning back at him. Sidious feigned weakness at that point to by time, but the book hints far more towards Mace winning the saber battle than Sidious faking it. Again, I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anywhere that Sidious faked. Him faking is purely speculation.

You're halfway right : "Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts. There was no Jedi restraint here. Mace Windu was cutting loose.

Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center—

And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.

There was a time when Mace Windu had feared the power of the dark; there was a time when he had feared the darkness in himself. But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared. He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power. He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But—

Neither did he have power over it.

 

[Crimson11]

Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.

Impasse.

Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift. The fighting was effortless for him now; he let his body handle it without the intervention of his mind. While his blade spun and crackled, while his feet slid and his weight shifted and his shoulders turned in precise curves of their own direction, his mind slid along the circuit of dark power, tracing it back to its limitless source. Feeling for its shatterpoint. He found a knot of fault lines in the shadow's future; he chose the largest fracture and followed it back to the here and the now—

And it led him, astonishingly, to a man standing frozen in the slashed-open doorway. Mace had no need to look; the presence in the Force was familiar, and was as uplifting as sunlight breaking through a thunderhead. The chosen one was here.

Mace disengaged from the shadow's blade and leapt for the window; he slashed away the transparisteel with a single flourish. His instant's distraction cost him: a dark surge of the Force nearly blew him right out of the gap he had just cut. Only a desperate Force-push of his own altered his path enough that he slammed into a stanchion instead of plunging half a kilometer from the ledge outside. He bounced off and the Force cleared his head and once again he gave himself to Vaapad.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear. Easily, almost effortlessly, he turned the shadow's fear into a weapon: he angled the battle to bring them both out onto the window ledge. Out in the wind. Out with the lightning. Out on a rain-slicked ledge above a half-kilometer drop. Out where the shadow's fear made it hesitate. Out where the shadow's fear turned some of its Force-powered speed into a Force-powered grip on the slippery permacrete. Out where Mace could flick his blade in one precise arc and slash the shadow's lightsaber in half.

One piece flipped back in through the cut-open window. The other tumbled from opening fingers, bounced on the ledge, and fell through the rain toward the distant alleys below. Now the shadow was only Palpatine: old and shrunken, thinning hair bleached white by time and care, face lined with exhaustion.

"For all your power, you are no Jedi. All you are, my lord," Mace said evenly, staring past his blade, "is under arrest."

"Do you see, Anakin? Do you?" Palpatine's voice once again had the broken cadence of a frightened old man's. "Didn't I warn you of the Jedi and their treason?"

"Save your twisted words, my lord. There are no politicians here. The Sith will never regain control of the Republic. It's over. You've lost." Mace leveled his blade. "You lost for the same reason the Sith always lose: defeated by your own fear."

Palpatine lifted his head. His eyes smoked with hate. "Fool," he said. He lifted his arms, his robes of office spreading wide into raptor's wings, his hands hooking into talons.

"Fool!" His voice was a shout of thunder. "Do you think the fear you feel is mine?"

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source. Palpatine staggered, snarling, but the blistering energy that loured from his hands only intensified. He fed the power with his pain.

"Anakin!" Mace called. His voice sounded distant, blurred, as if it came from the bottom of a well. "Anakin, help me! This is your chance!"

He felt Anakin's leap from the office floor to the ledge, felt his approach behind—

And Palpatine was not afraid. Mace could feel it: he wasn't worried at all.

"Destroy this traitor," the Chancellor said, his voice raised aver the howl of writhing energy that joined his hands to Mace's blade. "This was never an arrest. It's an assassination!"

That was when Mace finally understood. He had it. The key to final victory. Palpatine's shatterpoint. The absolute shatterpoint of the Sith. The shatterpoint of the dark side itself. Mace thought, blankly astonished, Palpatine trusts Anakin Skywalker...

Now Anakin was at Mace's shoulder. Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Palpatine's eyes glowed with power, casting a yellow glare that burned back the rain from around them. "He is a traitor, Anakin. Destroy him."

"You're the chosen one, Anakin," Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. "Take him. It's your destiny."

Skywalker echoed him faintly. "Destiny..."

"Help me! I can't hold on any longer!" The yellow glare from Palpatine's eyes spread outward through his flesh. His skin flowed like oil, as though the muscle beneath was burning away, as though even the bones of his skull were softening, were bending and bulging, deforming from the heat and pressure of his electric hatred. "He is killing me, Anakin—! Please, Anaaahhh—"

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

"Ahhh—" Palpatine's roar above the endless blast of lightning became a fading moan of despair. The lightning swallowed itself, leaving only the night and the rain, and an old man crumpled to his knees on a slippery ledge. "I... can't. I give up. I.. I am too weak, in the end. Too old, and too weak. Don't kill me, Master Jedi. Please. I surrender."

Victory flooded through Mace's aching body. He lifted his blade. "You Sith disease—"

"Wait—" Skywalker seized his lightsaber arm with desperate strength. "Don't kill him—you can't just kill him, Master"

"Yes, I can," Mace said, grim and certain. "I have to."

"You came to arrest him. He has to stand trial"

"A trial would be a joke. He controls the courts. He controls the Senate"

"So are you going to kill all them, too? Like he said you would?"

Mace yanked his arm free. "He's too dangerous to be left alive. If you could have taken Dooku alive, would you have?"

Skywalker's face swept itself clean of emotion. "That was different"

Mace turned toward the cringing, beaten Sith Lord. "You can explain the difference after he's dead." He raised his lightsaber.

"I need him alive!" Skywalker shouted. "I need him to save Padme!"

Mace thought blankly, Why? And moved his lightsaber toward the fallen Chancellor. Before he could follow through on his stroke, a sudden arc of blue plasma sheared through his wrist and his hand tumbled away with his lightsaber still in it and Palpatine roared back to his feet and lightning speared from the Sith Lord's hands and without his blade to catch it, the power of Palpatine's hate struck him full-on.

He had been so intent on Palpatine's shatterpoint that he'd never thought to look for Anakin's. Dark lightning blasted away his universe. He fell forever.

 

[ocelot]

RIP Mace

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Good look, Crimson.

So unless my interpretation is wrong, Mace is clearly in control of the fight until Anakin arrives. Then he loses focus and the battle essentially resets. At this point he believes he feels Palpatine's fear and is thus close to defeating him, but that part was a ploy by Palpatine to draw Anakin in. Once it gets to the lightning battle, both Mace and Palpatine and Mace are acting a little in order to get Anakin on their side. The point is Mace was clearly in control of the lightsaber battle prior to the arrival of Anakin.

On another note, just reading the novelization, it sounds like the actual battle in the movie didn't do the real battle justice. Seems like the fight should have been some anime style shit with cats moving so fast all you see is blurs and shadows.

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

learned a lot in this thread. dope drops

 

[Valentinez A. Kaiser]

I can't believe everyone for got about this guy:

Shame on you all.

The force was clearly with this old man, went and got himself another lightsaber!

 

[ocelot]

Good look, Crimson.

So unless my interpretation is wrong, Mace is clearly in control of the fight until Anakin arrives. Then he loses focus and the battle essentially resets. At this point he believes he feels Palpatine's fear and is thus close to defeating him, but that part was a ploy by Palpatine to draw Anakin in. Once it gets to the lightning battle, both Mace and Palpatine and Mace are acting a little in order to get Anakin on their side. The point is Mace was clearly in control of the lightsaber battle prior to the arrival of Anakin.

On another note, just reading the novelization, it sounds like the actual battle in the movie didn't do the real battle justice. Seems like the fight should have been some anime style shit with cats moving so fast all you see is blurs and shadows.

The Episodes would have been better if it was an hour long series and then end it with Return or the Sith. Not the Cartoons tho... More of a SyFy/ HBO series.

 

[Crimson11]

Good look, Crimson.

So unless my interpretation is wrong, Mace is clearly in control of the fight until Anakin arrives. Then he loses focus and the battle essentially resets. At this point he believes he feels Palpatine's fear and is thus close to defeating him, but that part was a ploy by Palpatine to draw Anakin in. Once it gets to the lightning battle, both Mace and Palpatine and Mace are acting a little in order to get Anakin on their side. The point is Mace was clearly in control of the lightsaber battle prior to the arrival of Anakin.

On another note, just reading the novelization, it sounds like the actual battle in the movie didn't do the real battle justice. Seems like the fight should have been some anime style shit with cats moving so fast all you see is blurs and shadows.

It was a pretty even fight until, sids hesitated and Mace got him, then when the lighting came after a while understandable Mace wouldn't have been able to hold it forever, neither could sids, he was literally frying himself in his own hatred.

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

It's been a while since I read the novelization, but it did not say Sidious threw the fight, at least no the saber portion. It flat out said that Mace was pushing Sidious back. If Sidious threw the fight, it was when Mace was reflecting his lightning back at him. Sidious feigned weakness at that point to by time, but the book hints far more towards Mace winning the saber battle than Sidious faking it. Again, I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anywhere that Sidious faked. Him faking is purely speculation.

You're halfway right : "Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

Anakin could feel how the Force fed upon the shadow's murderous exaltation; he could feel fury spray into the Force though some poisonous abscess had crested in both their hearts. There was no Jedi restraint here. Mace Windu was cutting loose.

Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center—

And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.

There was a time when Mace Windu had feared the power of the dark; there was a time when he had feared the darkness in himself. But the Clone Wars had given him a gift of understanding: on a world called Haruun Kal, he had faced his darkness and had learned that the power of darkness is not to be feared. He had learned that it is fear that gives the darkness power. He was not afraid. The darkness had no power over him. But—

Neither did he have power over it.

damn sound like they were going at it. they should've showcased this better in the film.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Good look, Crimson.

So unless my interpretation is wrong, Mace is clearly in control of the fight until Anakin arrives. Then he loses focus and the battle essentially resets. At this point he believes he feels Palpatine's fear and is thus close to defeating him, but that part was a ploy by Palpatine to draw Anakin in. Once it gets to the lightning battle, both Mace and Palpatine and Mace are acting a little in order to get Anakin on their side. The point is Mace was clearly in control of the lightsaber battle prior to the arrival of Anakin.

On another note, just reading the novelization, it sounds like the actual battle in the movie didn't do the real battle justice. Seems like the fight should have been some anime style shit with cats moving so fast all you see is blurs and shadows.

It was a pretty even fight until, sids hesitated and Mace got him, then when the lighting came after a while understandable Mace wouldn't have been able to hold it forever, neither could sids, he was literally frying himself in his own hatred.

Palpatine didn't hesitate. Mace just pressured him because he believed he felt Palpatine's fear and sensed weakness. Mace was able to overpower him as a result. However, based on what Palpatine said, Mace felt Anakins' fear not Palpatine's. So Mace just flat out beat Palpatine in the saber battle.

 

[ocelot]

I don't think Sid fully trusted that Anakin would defect. So I believe he was fighting to survive but once he felt the fear in little Ani heart he went on break.

If it was one on one Sid might've pulled it off... Something tells me his fighting skills are just as good as his manipulation skills.

 

[bignorm]

And that , my niggas , is why Mace is the best.

He's the only Jedi that could fight using the Dark Side.

Anakin wouldve been ill had Mace taught him Vaapad. He wouldntve had to go dark.

ONe thing tho, Mace was the only one that could use Vaapad and not go insane.

His padawans all turned to the dark side.

 

[DarthRozay]

Why did they not touch on any of that shit in the movies? I remember Mace as the second in command behind Yoda because of the movies.

I think the difference between the Original Yoda and the Prequel's Yoda is hilarious as well. I'm not even talking about the special FX but the personality. Original Yoda is fuckin around and laughin all the damn time, just not very serious at all. Yoda in the prequels was the exact opposite, serious damn near all the time and never fuckin around.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Well that could be because the galaxy has gone to hell between the prequels and the OG movies.

Also, I doubt Anakin could have learned Vaapad. Maintaining it was difficult as hell. Anakin lacked the self control to be a Jedi at all, so it's doubtful he could have been one that basically walked the line between the Light and Dark sides.

 

[Dragonmiller]

1. Deepa Billaba

2. Darth Tyrannus

3. Obi Wan

4. Anikan Skywalker

5. Darth Mal

6. Quigon Jin

7. General Grievious

 

[DarkRaiden]

I might be wrong, but I remember some dude, like Anoon Banderas or some shit, that was supposed to be >>>Yoda AND Windu, and Maul merked him. Also Maul beat Sidious before when he went into a rage that one time IIRC.

So I'd say:

1. Maul

2. Windu

3. Anakin

4. Yoda/Sidious

5. Dooku

6. Obi-Wan

7. Grievous (dude slicing at 60 sps, hotdamn)

8. Cin Drallig (taught saber battling)

9. Some other nigga

10. Some other nigga