Top 5 Issues Facing The Black Community

[2stepz_ahead]

@zzombie is right

Get over your feelings

I don't get y'all

We've actually made gains thanks in great part to the civil rights movement, wouldn't you agree?

College enrollment up, teen pregnancy down, poverty down, crime down, etc

Still a ways to go, but let's acknowledge how far we've come in a very short period of time

That said, no one of intelligence today would argue that those organizers of the civil rights movement were enablers or should have put the Montgomery bus boycott on the back burner to focus on black on black violence back then though murder rates were higher in the 60s

Rightfully they focused squarely on structural racism, the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history

Same as what we should be doing today

All that struggle during the civil rights era was needed but we don't live in the 1960's anymore it is 2016 and applying what worked in the past is a losing strategy. That's why groups like BLM will ULTIMATELY accomplish nothing. Today we need self reflection and self improvement or else everything that happened during the civil rights era will be meaningless.

REMOVING STRUCTURAL RACISM is not going to equal dollars in your pocket??? Black people have made social gains but our economic

Lol

So our faith in the effectiveness of political and social activism should hinge not on the success of the civil rights movement, but rather on the supposed ineffectiveness of groups like BLM, an organization not even 5 yrs old. Never mind the national push for body cameras, sharpened focus on state attorney races, push for scaling back prosecutorial power, etc

Not to say the civil rights movement and subsequent organizing has been without flaw, but the reason why we haven't made any substantial gains in wealth is clear:

-Historically we have been denied access to higher education and training for skilled trades

-Discrimination in the job market, banking and housing market

-We are disproportionately poor and poor ppl pay more for just about everything

-Debtors prisons

-Blks more likely to have to take out a loan to pay for college

That said, removing sructural racism will help keep money in our pockets so we can begin to think about building wealth, investing, starting a business, etc

For instance, In its report on the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department, the Justice Department found that officers disproportionately stopped and ticketed blk citizens. For a “manner of walking” violation, it was $302; for “high grass and weeds,” $531

You think that shit only happens there?

A $302 ticket can be devastating for someone who is experiencing a medical emergency or was recently laid off work

Yea let's talk about how capitalism's cycles of depression and recession have also long contributed to ongoing social injustice and the stunting of blk wealth /stunting blk middle class

Multiple recessions that struck america throughout the late 70s and 80s, for instance, wiped out a lot of the Blk middle class that began to surface in the 50s, 60s

And our most recent recession disporpotionately impacted minorities

Then you got politicians cutting the funding to the very social programs that were meant to keep families afloat during these times

Don't get me started on how the cost of medical care has stunted Blk wealth. Thanx privatized health care

So yea closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self reflection on our parts

Political and social activism as a solution to black problems has basically run it's course and from now on will BE DRASTICALLY reduced in effectiveness. remember the occupy wall street nonsense??? it did not work/ ACCOMPLISHED very little and neither will BLM. The fatal flaw in your way of thinking is the belief that you can solve certain problems or that you even have the right to.

-YOU WON'T BE ABLE to stop discrimination in the workforce, housing market or banking industry because those are largely private enterprises. You cannot force me to hire someone i really don't want, you cannot force banks to lead to black people and housing discrimination by private owners is hard to prove... I know because used to rent to people and i discriminated, i hire people and i discriminated, i tried to get loans and i was denied for no good reason but i did not cry about it.

-In 2016 there are no one is stopping black from seeking education and hey haven't for a long time now.

-yes it sucks to be poor a certain level of poverty is a function of human economic systems

- there are no REAL debtors prisons. If you miss a court date you violated the law, if you don't pay your tickets you violated the law. IF BLACKS don't want certain ordinances to be enforced then shouldn't those democratic politicians that we have been voting for DO SOME THING?? they don't because they don't care about your black ass.

- blacks have less money due to the fact that we have not built a proper economic base for ourselves so naturally we have to take out loans for school.

I freely admit things are harder for black people but it would be made less hard if we did not engage in so much destructive behavior. Structural racism will not be totally removed it will always exist because outside of government i.e the private sector you cannot force people to be non-racist. BOOM AND BUST is part of the capitalistic system . the so called black middle class is largely a creation of the government,the black middle class is disproportionately composed of people with government jobs... so of course when the government makes needed cuts or fucks up blacks will be affected more than others.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN HARSH REALITIES OF LIFE.

Lol

Fact is historically we were never been able to build an sustainable economic base because....discrimination, racism, lack of access to capital, debt

Unfortunately these challenges have perpuated poverty within our communities and left generations without avenues to build wealth and nothing to pass on to their children

Wealth in america is mainly acquired through inheritance above all else

Subsequently their children are often times forced to take on loans to pay for a higher education, which leaves them financially vulernable, with little disposable income to build invest and little to pass on to their children

So as I was saying closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self improvement

Regarding wealth...But what you are saying is not is not insurmountable because of race. It's really an ignorance factor.

You yourself can save money right now so your kids don't have to get student loans to most schools.

Actually owning your house gives you an asset you can pass down. Your kids can put that money towards owning their own home.

To summarize, you can literally start the chain of wealth...

It helps to have two working parents...

this is very important and very underrated.

tomorrow will come

 

[zzombie]

Why have you accepted the narrative that what the man said was racist?? NOTHING he said was racist. You don't know or know of any black people who do crime ?? or know any black baby mamas?? you don't know any black people who only vote democrat no matter what??? is that what you are saying... STOP LYING.

cry me a fucking river about reagan and bush putting drugs in the black community, did they force anyone to snort or inject themselves?? No. ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS in some degree would still exist no matter what we do however by foolishly indulging these negative behavior we exacerbate or problems

The same shit he spew is what a white racist would say and all that leading up to is black people working harder and not getting their just due and white people just laughing at them. It's a fuckin game a big joke to them that a people would work so hard knowing that it's not going to happen.

I know all those people that you claim that make us look bad and they don't have a victim mentality we know they fucking deal in the country. For the most part black people are scary to lose what they already have and don't want to risk it because white people control this country. Just like the football player they are scare of white backlash with the flag.

Intelligent black have already figured out that working harder is not the goal, the goal is to work smarter and the bold is a result of the victim mentality mentioned in the fucking video.. so you are only proving the video and me correct .what makes you think that if black folks work harder/smarter that we won't get anywhere??? nigga have you spoken to @2stepz_ahead HE IS A living example that you are wrong.

A criminal any kind of criminal is the result of 3 things: low self esteem and low moral character or destitution.

Most crime in the black community is a result of the low self esteem and low character. If niggas like you believe the white man has this shit totally rigged then that means niggas ain't shit and cannot get anywhere It MEANS blacks are victims and cannot get anywhere following the straight paths therefore crime becomes an appealing and inevitable option

blacks are raised without fathers and this is supported by leftist and feminist like @desertrain10 who excuse black underachievement and bad behavior by blaming racism/poverty for everything, this leads to us having low moral character because unless you can take responsibility for your condition you can never grow morally.

As for destitution?? some blacks are destitute but inner city poverty in america is not so bad it's really not because here you can get free housing,free education, and free food not everyone gets all these benefits but a large share of poor people do.

 

[LPast]

I don't get the ignorance. When the slaves were brought over the 3 main goals were to...

1. Destroy, and break the family unit. Start with the father... No family, no community. No community, no power.

2. Block Education. Reading = Death, think about that. Knowledge has always been power...

3. Impose superiority. Why try when you never measure up? Your easiest fight will be with someone that won't fight back.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

I don't get the ignorance. When the slaves were brought over the 3 main goals were to...

1. Destroy, and break the family unit. Start with the father... No family, no community. No community, no power.

2. Block Education. Reading = Death, think about that. Knowledge has always been power...

3. Impose superiority. Why try when you never measure up? Your easiest fight will be with someone that won't fight back.

Truth is truth.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I don't get the ignorance. When the slaves were brought over the 3 main goals were to...

1. Destroy, and break the family unit. Start with the father... No family, no community. No community, no power.

2. Block Education. Reading = Death, think about that. Knowledge has always been power...

3. Impose superiority. Why try when you never measure up? Your easiest fight will be with someone that won't fight back.

this is why black fathers and families should be celebrated more...

while some people dont understand or think they just doing their job....you are doing more than you think

 

[desertrain10]

@zzombie is right

Get over your feelings

I don't get y'all

We've actually made gains thanks in great part to the civil rights movement, wouldn't you agree?

College enrollment up, teen pregnancy down, poverty down, crime down, etc

Still a ways to go, but let's acknowledge how far we've come in a very short period of time

That said, no one of intelligence today would argue that those organizers of the civil rights movement were enablers or should have put the Montgomery bus boycott on the back burner to focus on black on black violence back then though murder rates were higher in the 60s

Rightfully they focused squarely on structural racism, the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history

Same as what we should be doing today

All that struggle during the civil rights era was needed but we don't live in the 1960's anymore it is 2016 and applying what worked in the past is a losing strategy. That's why groups like BLM will ULTIMATELY accomplish nothing. Today we need self reflection and self improvement or else everything that happened during the civil rights era will be meaningless.

REMOVING STRUCTURAL RACISM is not going to equal dollars in your pocket??? Black people have made social gains but our economic

Lol

So our faith in the effectiveness of political and social activism should hinge not on the success of the civil rights movement, but rather on the supposed ineffectiveness of groups like BLM, an organization not even 5 yrs old. Never mind the national push for body cameras, sharpened focus on state attorney races, push for scaling back prosecutorial power, etc

Not to say the civil rights movement and subsequent organizing has been without flaw, but the reason why we haven't made any substantial gains in wealth is clear:

-Historically we have been denied access to higher education and training for skilled trades

-Discrimination in the job market, banking and housing market

-We are disproportionately poor and poor ppl pay more for just about everything

-Debtors prisons

-Blks more likely to have to take out a loan to pay for college

That said, removing sructural racism will help keep money in our pockets so we can begin to think about building wealth, investing, starting a business, etc

For instance, In its report on the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department, the Justice Department found that officers disproportionately stopped and ticketed blk citizens. For a “manner of walking” violation, it was $302; for “high grass and weeds,” $531

You think that shit only happens there?

A $302 ticket can be devastating for someone who is experiencing a medical emergency or was recently laid off work

Yea let's talk about how capitalism's cycles of depression and recession have also long contributed to ongoing social injustice and the stunting of blk wealth /stunting blk middle class

Multiple recessions that struck america throughout the late 70s and 80s, for instance, wiped out a lot of the Blk middle class that began to surface in the 50s, 60s

And our most recent recession disporpotionately impacted minorities

Then you got politicians cutting the funding to the very social programs that were meant to keep families afloat during these times

Don't get me started on how the cost of medical care has stunted Blk wealth. Thanx privatized health care

So yea closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self reflection on our parts

- blacks have less money due to the fact that we have not built a proper economic base for ourselves so naturally we have to take out loans for school.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN HARSH REALITIES OF LIFE.

Lol

Fact is historically we were never been able to build an sustainable economic base because....discrimination, racism, lack of access to capital, debt

Unfortunately these challenges have perpuated poverty within our communities and left generations without avenues to build wealth and nothing to pass on to their children

Wealth in america is mainly acquired through inheritance above all else

Subsequently their children are often times forced to take on loans to pay for a higher education, which leaves them financially vulernable, with little disposable income to build invest and little to pass on to their children

So as I was saying closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self improvement

Regarding wealth...But what you are saying is not is not insurmountable because of race. It's really an ignorance factor.

You yourself can save money right now so your kids don't have to get student loans to most schools.

Actually owning your house gives you an asset you can pass down. Your kids can put that money towards owning their own home.

To summarize, you can literally start the chain of wealth...

It helps to have two working parents...

lol

great advice, but you are stating the obvious .....and its easier said than done

that said, my argument is just that it would be very difficult and take a very long time to close the wealth gap without changes in law and policy no matter what we do as individuals

especially if you are poor. since poor ppl pay more for everything it can be very difficult to set aside a sizable amount of money for college or a house when you don't have a lot of disposable income. unfortunately we are disproportionately poor

or let's use your example, considering the costs of medical care

what I am to do if I or my spouse or child is diagnosed with a life threatening disease and I need to dip into my child's college fund to pay bills or risk being homeless.....or what if I get laid off, you already know who is the last hired and first fired...what then?

lets also consider its harder for blk ppl to get a loan for a house, one of the best ways to build wealth in america

not making excuses, just providing context as to why the wealth gap persists ...and why a poor child in america is more than likely to die poor if their parents are poor

you believe different, that's fine

you seem to be operating under the assumption that most are ignorant, lazy, immoral, etc and that if why we are in the predicament we are in

we'll just have to agree to disagree

 

[LPast]

@zzombie is right

Get over your feelings

I don't get y'all

We've actually made gains thanks in great part to the civil rights movement, wouldn't you agree?

College enrollment up, teen pregnancy down, poverty down, crime down, etc

Still a ways to go, but let's acknowledge how far we've come in a very short period of time

That said, no one of intelligence today would argue that those organizers of the civil rights movement were enablers or should have put the Montgomery bus boycott on the back burner to focus on black on black violence back then though murder rates were higher in the 60s

Rightfully they focused squarely on structural racism, the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history

Same as what we should be doing today

All that struggle during the civil rights era was needed but we don't live in the 1960's anymore it is 2016 and applying what worked in the past is a losing strategy. That's why groups like BLM will ULTIMATELY accomplish nothing. Today we need self reflection and self improvement or else everything that happened during the civil rights era will be meaningless.

REMOVING STRUCTURAL RACISM is not going to equal dollars in your pocket??? Black people have made social gains but our economic

Lol

So our faith in the effectiveness of political and social activism should hinge not on the success of the civil rights movement, but rather on the supposed ineffectiveness of groups like BLM, an organization not even 5 yrs old. Never mind the national push for body cameras, sharpened focus on state attorney races, push for scaling back prosecutorial power, etc

Not to say the civil rights movement and subsequent organizing has been without flaw, but the reason why we haven't made any substantial gains in wealth is clear:

-Historically we have been denied access to higher education and training for skilled trades

-Discrimination in the job market, banking and housing market

-We are disproportionately poor and poor ppl pay more for just about everything

-Debtors prisons

-Blks more likely to have to take out a loan to pay for college

That said, removing sructural racism will help keep money in our pockets so we can begin to think about building wealth, investing, starting a business, etc

For instance, In its report on the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department, the Justice Department found that officers disproportionately stopped and ticketed blk citizens. For a “manner of walking” violation, it was $302; for “high grass and weeds,” $531

You think that shit only happens there?

A $302 ticket can be devastating for someone who is experiencing a medical emergency or was recently laid off work

Yea let's talk about how capitalism's cycles of depression and recession have also long contributed to ongoing social injustice and the stunting of blk wealth /stunting blk middle class

Multiple recessions that struck america throughout the late 70s and 80s, for instance, wiped out a lot of the Blk middle class that began to surface in the 50s, 60s

And our most recent recession disporpotionately impacted minorities

Then you got politicians cutting the funding to the very social programs that were meant to keep families afloat during these times

Don't get me started on how the cost of medical care has stunted Blk wealth. Thanx privatized health care

So yea closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self reflection on our parts

- blacks have less money due to the fact that we have not built a proper economic base for ourselves so naturally we have to take out loans for school.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN HARSH REALITIES OF LIFE.

Lol

Fact is historically we were never been able to build an sustainable economic base because....discrimination, racism, lack of access to capital, debt

Unfortunately these challenges have perpuated poverty within our communities and left generations without avenues to build wealth and nothing to pass on to their children

Wealth in america is mainly acquired through inheritance above all else

Subsequently their children are often times forced to take on loans to pay for a higher education, which leaves them financially vulernable, with little disposable income to build invest and little to pass on to their children

So as I was saying closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self improvement

Regarding wealth...But what you are saying is not is not insurmountable because of race. It's really an ignorance factor.

You yourself can save money right now so your kids don't have to get student loans to most schools.

Actually owning your house gives you an asset you can pass down. Your kids can put that money towards owning their own home.

To summarize, you can literally start the chain of wealth...

It helps to have two working parents...

lol

you are stating the obvious .....but its easier said than done

and I NEVER said it was insurmountable....my argument is that it would be very, very difficult to close the wealth gap with the challenges we face without changes in law and policy no matter what we do as individuals

especially if you are poor. since poor ppl pay more for everything it can be very difficult to set aside a sizable amount of money for college or a house when you don't have a lot of disposable income. unfortunately we are disproportionately poor

or let's use your example, considering the costs of medical care

what I am to do if I or my spouse or child is diagnosed with a life threatening disease and I need to dip into my child's college fund to pay bills or risk being homeless.....or what if I get laid off, you already know who is the last hired and first fired...what then?

lets also consider its harder for blk ppl to get a loan for a house, one of the best ways to build wealth in america

not making excuses, just providing context as to why the wealth gap persists ...and why a poor child in america is more than likely to die poor if their parents are poor

This isn't 1970 where they don't want black people to own homes... The whole housing market crashed because they were giving loans to everyone... No credit check...

Your other examples are not the norm. Most black people aren't homeless, have a life changing disease, or any of that.

We get bogged down because of debt... It's easier to be in debt when you have broken homes...

 

[Kwan Dai]

@zzombie is right

Get over your feelings

I don't get y'all

We've actually made gains thanks in great part to the civil rights movement, wouldn't you agree?

College enrollment up, teen pregnancy down, poverty down, crime down, etc

Still a ways to go, but let's acknowledge how far we've come in a very short period of time

That said, no one of intelligence today would argue that those organizers of the civil rights movement were enablers or should have put the Montgomery bus boycott on the back burner to focus on black on black violence back then though murder rates were higher in the 60s

Rightfully they focused squarely on structural racism, the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history

Same as what we should be doing today

All that struggle during the civil rights era was needed but we don't live in the 1960's anymore it is 2016 and applying what worked in the past is a losing strategy. That's why groups like BLM will ULTIMATELY accomplish nothing. Today we need self reflection and self improvement or else everything that happened during the civil rights era will be meaningless.

REMOVING STRUCTURAL RACISM is not going to equal dollars in your pocket??? Black people have made social gains but our economic

Lol

So our faith in the effectiveness of political and social activism should hinge not on the success of the civil rights movement, but rather on the supposed ineffectiveness of groups like BLM, an organization not even 5 yrs old. Never mind the national push for body cameras, sharpened focus on state attorney races, push for scaling back prosecutorial power, etc

Not to say the civil rights movement and subsequent organizing has been without flaw, but the reason why we haven't made any substantial gains in wealth is clear:

-Historically we have been denied access to higher education and training for skilled trades

-Discrimination in the job market, banking and housing market

-We are disproportionately poor and poor ppl pay more for just about everything

-Debtors prisons

-Blks more likely to have to take out a loan to pay for college

That said, removing sructural racism will help keep money in our pockets so we can begin to think about building wealth, investing, starting a business, etc

For instance, In its report on the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department, the Justice Department found that officers disproportionately stopped and ticketed blk citizens. For a “manner of walking” violation, it was $302; for “high grass and weeds,” $531

You think that shit only happens there?

A $302 ticket can be devastating for someone who is experiencing a medical emergency or was recently laid off work

Yea let's talk about how capitalism's cycles of depression and recession have also long contributed to ongoing social injustice and the stunting of blk wealth /stunting blk middle class

Multiple recessions that struck america throughout the late 70s and 80s, for instance, wiped out a lot of the Blk middle class that began to surface in the 50s, 60s

And our most recent recession disporpotionately impacted minorities

Then you got politicians cutting the funding to the very social programs that were meant to keep families afloat during these times

Don't get me started on how the cost of medical care has stunted Blk wealth. Thanx privatized health care

So yea closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self reflection on our parts

- blacks have less money due to the fact that we have not built a proper economic base for ourselves so naturally we have to take out loans for school.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN HARSH REALITIES OF LIFE.

Lol

Fact is historically we were never been able to build an sustainable economic base because....discrimination, racism, lack of access to capital, debt

Unfortunately these challenges have perpuated poverty within our communities and left generations without avenues to build wealth and nothing to pass on to their children

Wealth in america is mainly acquired through inheritance above all else

Subsequently their children are often times forced to take on loans to pay for a higher education, which leaves them financially vulernable, with little disposable income to build invest and little to pass on to their children

So as I was saying closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self improvement

Regarding wealth...But what you are saying is not is not insurmountable because of race. It's really an ignorance factor.

You yourself can save money right now so your kids don't have to get student loans to most schools.

Actually owning your house gives you an asset you can pass down. Your kids can put that money towards owning their own home.

To summarize, you can literally start the chain of wealth...

It helps to have two working parents...

lol

you are stating the obvious .....but its easier said than done

and I NEVER said it was insurmountable....my argument is that it would be very, very difficult to close the wealth gap with the challenges we face without changes in law and policy no matter what we do as individuals

especially if you are poor. since poor ppl pay more for everything it can be very difficult to set aside a sizable amount of money for college or a house when you don't have a lot of disposable income. unfortunately we are disproportionately poor

or let's use your example, considering the costs of medical care

what I am to do if I or my spouse or child is diagnosed with a life threatening disease and I need to dip into my child's college fund to pay bills or risk being homeless.....or what if I get laid off, you already know who is the last hired and first fired...what then?

lets also consider its harder for blk ppl to get a loan for a house, one of the best ways to build wealth in america

not making excuses, just providing context as to why the wealth gap persists ...and why a poor child in america is more than likely to die poor if their parents are poor

This isn't 1970 where they don't want black people to own homes... The whole housing market crashed because they were giving loans to everyone... No credit check...

Your other examples are not the norm. Most black people aren't homeless, have a life changing disease, or any of that.

We get bogged down because of debt... It's easier to be in debt when you have broken homes...

Can you prove this? It is just as likely for duel parent homes especially duel parent homes of college graduates to be just as bogged down in debt. I have a neighbor who is swimming in $200,000 worth of debt. but has doctorates degree.

Money doesn't buy morals, spirituality, integrity, or honesty. All of which seems to be degrading because, many of us are to busy chasing money as our solution.

 

[LPast]

@zzombie is right

Get over your feelings

I don't get y'all

We've actually made gains thanks in great part to the civil rights movement, wouldn't you agree?

College enrollment up, teen pregnancy down, poverty down, crime down, etc

Still a ways to go, but let's acknowledge how far we've come in a very short period of time

That said, no one of intelligence today would argue that those organizers of the civil rights movement were enablers or should have put the Montgomery bus boycott on the back burner to focus on black on black violence back then though murder rates were higher in the 60s

Rightfully they focused squarely on structural racism, the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history

Same as what we should be doing today

All that struggle during the civil rights era was needed but we don't live in the 1960's anymore it is 2016 and applying what worked in the past is a losing strategy. That's why groups like BLM will ULTIMATELY accomplish nothing. Today we need self reflection and self improvement or else everything that happened during the civil rights era will be meaningless.

REMOVING STRUCTURAL RACISM is not going to equal dollars in your pocket??? Black people have made social gains but our economic

Lol

So our faith in the effectiveness of political and social activism should hinge not on the success of the civil rights movement, but rather on the supposed ineffectiveness of groups like BLM, an organization not even 5 yrs old. Never mind the national push for body cameras, sharpened focus on state attorney races, push for scaling back prosecutorial power, etc

Not to say the civil rights movement and subsequent organizing has been without flaw, but the reason why we haven't made any substantial gains in wealth is clear:

-Historically we have been denied access to higher education and training for skilled trades

-Discrimination in the job market, banking and housing market

-We are disproportionately poor and poor ppl pay more for just about everything

-Debtors prisons

-Blks more likely to have to take out a loan to pay for college

That said, removing sructural racism will help keep money in our pockets so we can begin to think about building wealth, investing, starting a business, etc

For instance, In its report on the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department, the Justice Department found that officers disproportionately stopped and ticketed blk citizens. For a “manner of walking” violation, it was $302; for “high grass and weeds,” $531

You think that shit only happens there?

A $302 ticket can be devastating for someone who is experiencing a medical emergency or was recently laid off work

Yea let's talk about how capitalism's cycles of depression and recession have also long contributed to ongoing social injustice and the stunting of blk wealth /stunting blk middle class

Multiple recessions that struck america throughout the late 70s and 80s, for instance, wiped out a lot of the Blk middle class that began to surface in the 50s, 60s

And our most recent recession disporpotionately impacted minorities

Then you got politicians cutting the funding to the very social programs that were meant to keep families afloat during these times

Don't get me started on how the cost of medical care has stunted Blk wealth. Thanx privatized health care

So yea closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self reflection on our parts

- blacks have less money due to the fact that we have not built a proper economic base for ourselves so naturally we have to take out loans for school.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN HARSH REALITIES OF LIFE.

Lol

Fact is historically we were never been able to build an sustainable economic base because....discrimination, racism, lack of access to capital, debt

Unfortunately these challenges have perpuated poverty within our communities and left generations without avenues to build wealth and nothing to pass on to their children

Wealth in america is mainly acquired through inheritance above all else

Subsequently their children are often times forced to take on loans to pay for a higher education, which leaves them financially vulernable, with little disposable income to build invest and little to pass on to their children

So as I was saying closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self improvement

Regarding wealth...But what you are saying is not is not insurmountable because of race. It's really an ignorance factor.

You yourself can save money right now so your kids don't have to get student loans to most schools.

Actually owning your house gives you an asset you can pass down. Your kids can put that money towards owning their own home.

To summarize, you can literally start the chain of wealth...

It helps to have two working parents...

lol

you are stating the obvious .....but its easier said than done

and I NEVER said it was insurmountable....my argument is that it would be very, very difficult to close the wealth gap with the challenges we face without changes in law and policy no matter what we do as individuals

especially if you are poor. since poor ppl pay more for everything it can be very difficult to set aside a sizable amount of money for college or a house when you don't have a lot of disposable income. unfortunately we are disproportionately poor

or let's use your example, considering the costs of medical care

what I am to do if I or my spouse or child is diagnosed with a life threatening disease and I need to dip into my child's college fund to pay bills or risk being homeless.....or what if I get laid off, you already know who is the last hired and first fired...what then?

lets also consider its harder for blk ppl to get a loan for a house, one of the best ways to build wealth in america

not making excuses, just providing context as to why the wealth gap persists ...and why a poor child in america is more than likely to die poor if their parents are poor

This isn't 1970 where they don't want black people to own homes... The whole housing market crashed because they were giving loans to everyone... No credit check...

Your other examples are not the norm. Most black people aren't homeless, have a life changing disease, or any of that.

We get bogged down because of debt... It's easier to be in debt when you have broken homes...

Can you prove this? It is just as likely for duel parent homes especially duel parent homes of college graduates to be just as bogged down in debt. I have a neighbor who is swimming in $200,000 worth of debt. but has doctorates degree.

Money doesn't buy morals, spirituality, integrity, or honesty. All of which seems to be degrading because, many of us are to busy chasing money as our solution.

I'm not even talking about chasing money... I'm talking about not being in debt.

Example: two high school grads want to each get a $500 apartment... They each have $500 to go towards rent...

They can either each spend all of their money for rent and have $0 at the end of the month or be in the apartment together and save $500 a month...

Simple difference that can have two different outcomes for two different families...

 

[desertrain10]

@zzombie is right

Get over your feelings

I don't get y'all

We've actually made gains thanks in great part to the civil rights movement, wouldn't you agree?

College enrollment up, teen pregnancy down, poverty down, crime down, etc

Still a ways to go, but let's acknowledge how far we've come in a very short period of time

That said, no one of intelligence today would argue that those organizers of the civil rights movement were enablers or should have put the Montgomery bus boycott on the back burner to focus on black on black violence back then though murder rates were higher in the 60s

Rightfully they focused squarely on structural racism, the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history

Same as what we should be doing today

All that struggle during the civil rights era was needed but we don't live in the 1960's anymore it is 2016 and applying what worked in the past is a losing strategy. That's why groups like BLM will ULTIMATELY accomplish nothing. Today we need self reflection and self improvement or else everything that happened during the civil rights era will be meaningless.

REMOVING STRUCTURAL RACISM is not going to equal dollars in your pocket??? Black people have made social gains but our economic

Lol

removing sructural racism will help keep money in our pockets so we can begin to think about building wealth, investing, starting a business, etc

For instance, In its report on the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department, the Justice Department found that officers disproportionately stopped and ticketed blk citizens. For a “manner of walking” violation, it was $302; for “high grass and weeds,” $531

You think that shit only happens there?

A $302 ticket can be devastating for someone who is experiencing a medical emergency or was recently laid off work

Yea let's talk about how capitalism's cycles of depression and recession have also long contributed to ongoing social injustice and the stunting of blk wealth /stunting blk middle class

Multiple recessions that struck america throughout the late 70s and 80s, for instance, wiped out a lot of the Blk middle class that began to surface in the 50s, 60s

And our most recent recession disporpotionately impacted minorities

Then you got politicians cutting the funding to the very social programs that were meant to keep families afloat during these times

Don't get me started on how the cost of medical care has stunted Blk wealth. Thanx privatized health care

So yea closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self reflection on our parts

- blacks have less money due to the fact that we have not built a proper economic base for ourselves so naturally we have to take out loans for school.

YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN HARSH REALITIES OF LIFE.

Lol

Fact is historically we were never been able to build an sustainable economic base because....discrimination, racism, lack of access to capital, debt

Unfortunately these challenges have perpuated poverty within our communities and left generations without avenues to build wealth and nothing to pass on to their children

Wealth in america is mainly acquired through inheritance above all else

Subsequently their children are often times forced to take on loans to pay for a higher education, which leaves them financially vulernable, with little disposable income to build invest and little to pass on to their children

So as I was saying closing the wealth gap is going to take way more then self improvement

Regarding wealth...But what you are saying is not is not insurmountable because of race. It's really an ignorance factor.

You yourself can save money right now so your kids don't have to get student loans to most schools.

Actually owning your house gives you an asset you can pass down. Your kids can put that money towards owning their own home.

To summarize, you can literally start the chain of wealth...

It helps to have two working parents...

lol

you are stating the obvious .....but its easier said than done

and I NEVER said it was insurmountable....my argument is that it would be very, very difficult to close the wealth gap with the challenges we face without changes in law and policy no matter what we do as individuals

especially if you are poor. since poor ppl pay more for everything it can be very difficult to set aside a sizable amount of money for college or a house when you don't have a lot of disposable income. unfortunately we are disproportionately poor

or let's use your example, considering the costs of medical care

what I am to do if I or my spouse or child is diagnosed with a life threatening disease and I need to dip into my child's college fund to pay bills or risk being homeless.....or what if I get laid off, you already know who is the last hired and first fired...what then?

lets also consider its harder for blk ppl to get a loan for a house, one of the best ways to build wealth in america

not making excuses, just providing context as to why the wealth gap persists ...and why a poor child in america is more than likely to die poor if their parents are poor

This isn't 1970 where they don't want black people to own homes... The whole housing market crashed because they were giving loans to everyone... No credit check...

Your other examples are not the norm. Most black people aren't homeless, have a life changing disease, or any of that.

We get bogged down because of debt... It's easier to be in debt when you have broken homes...

lol @ you suggesting that the predatory loans that devastated the middle class and helped fuel the housing crisis is proof discrimination is no longer prevalent in the mortgage industry

and I never said most blk ppl are homeless, my point was given the choice between paying rent and saving college, most poor/low income ppl are going to do the former

and as I was alluding to high medical bills have been a leading cause of financial distress and bankruptcy in america. 1 in 5 americans still face hardships due to medical costs ...and blk ppl continue to be the hardest hit
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...americans-remain-hardest-hit-by-medical-bills

we are more likely to get colon cancer, breast cancer, asthma, diabetes, heart disease

3 of the top five the leading causes of death for blks is cancer, diabetes and heart disease

you don't know what you are talking about

do your googles

I agree it's easier to be in debt when you have broken homes.......but that is not the primary reason as to why the wealth gap persists...otherwise, why do blk two parent households don't fair as well as their non blk counterparts ....

I'd argue say broken homes are more so a symptom of the problem(s) we face, especially considering how financial difficulties is one of the leading cause of divorce in this country

 

[Kwan Dai]

I'm not even talking about chasing money... I'm talking about not being in debt.

Example: two high school grads want to each get a $500 apartment... They each have $500 to go towards rent...

They can either each spend all of their money for rent and have $0 at the end of the month or be in the apartment together and save $500 a month...

Simple difference that can have two different outcomes for two different families...

Fair enough. We can also not kick our children out at 18 and say you need to do this or that. We can all sacrifice a tad more but these are culture, spiritual, and moral shifts that have to take place within our communities.

 

[zzombie]

@desertrain10

PREDATORY LOANS MY ASS companies were only allowed to give those loans because of a governmental POLICIES designed to make home ownership easier.... so once again governmental interference in the market created a disaster and you silly fucking liberals turn around and blame the corporations instead of the government.

AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE PRONE TO certain sicknesses because we eat trash and their is no reason for us to eat trash, even those of us who live in so called " food deserts". If they really wanted to they could eat more healthy foods.

two parent black households don't Do as good as two parent non-black households because other races of people have a stronger economic base. We as black people have to build ourselves a stronger base and to do that we NEED TRADITIONAL FAMILIES.... BUT IDEOLOGIES LIKE FEMINISM AND LEFTISM DESTROY FAMILIES.

 

[zzombie]

The only way i will ever support shit like universal healthcare is if mandatory gym membership and attendance come with it. MOTHERFUCKERS want to be smoking,drinking,fucking, not excising but then demand that tax payers pay for their medical bills... FOH

 

[desertrain10]

@desertrain10

PREDATORY LOANS MY ASS companies were only allowed to give those loans because of a governmental POLICIES designed to make home ownership easier.... so once again governmental interference in the market created a disaster and you silly fucking liberals turn around and blame the corporations instead of the government.

AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE PRONE TO certain sicknesses because we eat trash and their is no reason for us to eat trash, even those of us who live in so called " food deserts". If they really wanted to they could eat more healthy foods.

two parent black households don't Do as good as two parent non-black households because other races of people have a stronger economic base. We as black people have to build ourselves a stronger base and to do that we NEED TRADITIONAL FAMILIES.... BUT IDEOLOGIES LIKE FEMINISM AND LEFTISM DESTROY FAMILIES.

There is no proof federal affordable housing goals caused the crisis

Study after study show private markets, rather than the GSEs, created the subprime mortgage boom and subsequent bust
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-government-did-not-cause-the-housing-crisis/
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...reddie-didnt-cause-the-housing-crisis/250121/

Not to say the GSEs didn't make some mistakes, but those mistakes were not the underlying cause of the crisis

Politicians like Marc Rubio keep up the lie to win the support of ignorant, hypocritical voters who claim to be for small government yet see no issue with asking the goverment for farm subsidies or/and food assistance

I do blame the government, however, for not foreseeing the crisis sooner and making an effort to curb risky play on wall street with proper regulations

We have to start eating better, I'll give u that. But the lack of access to fresh healthy affordable food is a real problem for the low income, poor and blk community. Living in metro Detroit I know first hand. Try growing up without access to a car and the closest grocers idea of produce are moldy cucumbers and brown bananas.

Yes, one could find a way to Whole Foods way accross town. Maybe call a cab. But if it's less timely to pick up a pizza from down the street, and you don't have to worry about paying for a cab, most ppl are going to choose the former you fucking prick. It's human nature to choose the path of least resistance

What you failed to acknowledge is that another big reason why Blk ppl are more likely to develop certain diseases and be killed by these diseases is because we experience poorer health care access and lower quality of care than non blks, with the exception of Latinos

As I already explained we have never been able to build and sustain a economic base in large part because of structural racism which leaves us vulnerable to economic busts a key characteristic of capitalist societies.

It has been the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history. Not liberalism. Not feminism. There was no golden age of Blk american prosperity that was stunted

Broken families is a challenge. Ending the war on drugs will do a lot on that front. Discouraging teen pregnancy as well. Most single mothers start off as teen mothers. The steady decline over the last decade in teen pregnancy is promising though

But yea, I already know how you are going to respond ....why concern ourselves with structural racism when its never going to go away completely ....Not like laws and policy can change things...capitalism is infallible...James and Britney shacking up is what we need to be focusing on...maybe in another 250 years if we get the poor and low income to act right we could finally close that wealth gap...etcetera...etcetera

 

[desertrain10]

The only way i will ever support shit like universal healthcare is if mandatory gym membership and attendance come with it. MOTHERFUCKERS want to be smoking,drinking,fucking, not excising but then demand that tax payers pay for their medical bills... FOH

Good thing the future of universal healthcare doesn't hinge on your support ...

 

[zzombie]

@desertrain10

PREDATORY LOANS MY ASS companies were only allowed to give those loans because of a governmental POLICIES designed to make home ownership easier.... so once again governmental interference in the market created a disaster and you silly fucking liberals turn around and blame the corporations instead of the government.

AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE PRONE TO certain sicknesses because we eat trash and their is no reason for us to eat trash, even those of us who live in so called " food deserts". If they really wanted to they could eat more healthy foods.

two parent black households don't Do as good as two parent non-black households because other races of people have a stronger economic base. We as black people have to build ourselves a stronger base and to do that we NEED TRADITIONAL FAMILIES.... BUT IDEOLOGIES LIKE FEMINISM AND LEFTISM DESTROY FAMILIES.

There is no proof federal affordable housing goals caused the crisis

Study after study show private markets, rather than the GSEs, created the subprime mortgage boom and subsequent bust
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-government-did-not-cause-the-housing-crisis/
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...reddie-didnt-cause-the-housing-crisis/250121/

Not to say the GSEs didn't make some mistakes, but those mistakes were not the underlying cause of the crisis

Politicians like Marc Rubio keep up the lie to win the support of ignorant, hypocritical voters who claim to be for small government yet see no issue with asking the goverment for farm subsidies or/and food assistance

I do blame the government, however, for not foreseeing the crisis sooner and making an effort to curb risky play on wall street with proper regulations

We have to start eating better, I'll give u that. But the lack of access to fresh healthy affordable food is a real problem for the low income, poor and blk community. Living in metro Detroit I know first hand. Try growing up without access to a car and the closest grocers idea of produce are moldy cucumbers and brown bananas.

Yes, one could find a way to Whole Foods way accross town. Maybe call a cab. But if it's less timely to pick up a pizza from down the street, and you don't have to worry about paying for a cab, most ppl are going to choose the former you fucking prick. It's human nature to choose the path of least resistance

What you failed to acknowledge is that another big reason why Blk ppl are more likely to develop certain diseases and be killed by these diseases is because we experience poorer health care access and lower quality of care than non blks, with the exception of Latinos

As I already explained we have never been able to build and sustain a economic base in large part because of structural racism which leaves us vulnerable to economic busts a key characteristic of capitalist societies.

It has been the most consistent and overpowering impediment to blk success in america, and the thread that connects every era of its history. Not liberalism. Not feminism. There was no golden age of Blk american prosperity that was stunted

Broken families is a challenge. Ending the war on drugs will do a lot on that front. Discouraging teen pregnancy as well. Most single mothers start off as teen mothers. The steady decline over the last decade in teen pregnancy is promising though

But yea, I already know how you are going to respond ....why concern ourselves with structural racism when its never going to go away completely ....Not like laws and policy can change things...capitalism is infallible...James and Britney shacking up is what we need to be focusing on...maybe in another 250 years if we get the poor and low income to act right we could finally close that wealth gap...etcetera...etcetera

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-government-caused-the-mortgage-crisis-2009-10
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/why-sub-prime-lenders-didnt-cause-the-housing-crash/

... and you cannot solve every problem. IF YOU ARE Poor you will be unable to afford the best medical treatment... i am sorry but that's just the facts of life. Therefore don't be a fucking idiot and make sure you eat right and workout. That gym membership is cheaper than a hospital stay.

If you are too stupid or unmotivated to make sure you and your family eat healthy then that's on you I don't want to have to pay your resulting medical bills.

yeah structural racism exist but it's not as rampant or debilitating to our entire race as you think it is so all you are doing is making a problem bigger than it really is. There may have never been a black golden age and back at the turn of last century blacks faced real oppression . TODAY HOWEVER THAT IS NOT THE CASE SO WE HAVE NO EXCUSE.

 

[zzombie]

The only way i will ever support shit like universal healthcare is if mandatory gym membership and attendance come with it. MOTHERFUCKERS want to be smoking,drinking,fucking, not excising but then demand that tax payers pay for their medical bills... FOH

Good thing the future of universal healthcare doesn't hinge on your support ...

I will be doing everything in my power to make sure your version of universal healthcare never comes about and that our current system is fixed

 

[UnderMiSensi]

The only way i will ever support shit like universal healthcare is if mandatory gym membership and attendance come with it. MOTHERFUCKERS want to be smoking,drinking,fucking, not excising but then demand that tax payers pay for their medical bills... FOH

oh so you are what those pieces of shit sociopaths against healthcare sound like. There are a bunch of reasons people get sick and not exercising enough is far from the only one you stupid dumb fuck, same as not eating well, but that doesn't fucking matter, health care should be a right if you are a citizen.

Yet let me speak the only language a stupid sociopath like you knows. Universal Healthcare will save money. When people rake up medical debts they cant pay or what until they have to use the ER to seek healthcare it COSTS US MORE than if they were to go the the doctor and get whatever illness they have checked out EARLIER which results in less debts(more money for people to spend), less medication cause of possible prevention,etc So universal healthcare is actually more economically viable whether people are "exercising or not".
http://reverbpress.com/politics/eco...h-care-save-americans-600-billion-year-chart/

 

[zzombie]

The only way i will ever support shit like universal healthcare is if mandatory gym membership and attendance come with it. MOTHERFUCKERS want to be smoking,drinking,fucking, not excising but then demand that tax payers pay for their medical bills... FOH

oh so you are what those pieces of shit sociopaths against healthcare sound like. There are a bunch of reasons people get sick and not exercising enough is far from the only one you stupid dumb fuck, same as not eating well, but that doesn't fucking matter, health care should be a right if you are a citizen.

Yet let me speak the only language a stupid sociopath like you knows. Universal Healthcare will save money. When people rake up medical debts they cant pay or what until they have to use the ER to seek healthcare it COSTS US MORE than if they were to go the the doctor and get whatever illness they have checked out EARLIER which results in less debts(more money for people to spend), less medication cause of possible prevention,etc So universal healthcare is actually more economically viable whether people are "exercising or not".
http://reverbpress.com/politics/eco...h-care-save-americans-600-billion-year-chart/

yeah yeah yeah call me a sociopath all you want I really don't care and i am not against affordable healthcare i am against the government taxing me to pay for it or mandating that i buy it. Yeah people get sick for many reason but the diseases @desertrain10 listed are usually a result of poor choices and those people should not get any government money in the form of healthcare until they make positive changes

I don't mind healthcare being A RIGHT but i should not BE FORCED to pay for it when the powers that be come up with a better way to finance healthcare i will be all for it until then i stand against any kind of universal healthcare.

 

[rickmogul]

@2stepz_ahead. Do u ever see crabs fight each other in the wild? No u don't. They're peaceful and mind their own. Crabs in a barrel is an old analogy explained by Dick Gregory. The crabs are trying to get out if the hot fucking water! We take everything those Edomites say as the gospel and this is an example if another lie. Ashamed at my people man. Hard to feel proud of my race at times.