Top 10 Reasons Jesus isn't God

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DoUwant2go2Heaven? already ethered that video, but let me ask any of you this:

Do you reject Yeshua (Jesus) in general or are you just being argumentative?

Y'all don't really understand the Bible.......lets take all of these "reasons" from the video 1 by 1

Was He a madman? If not can you please tell me why he said this? (serious responses only)

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:56-58


That's so-called "reson" #1 Yeshua had no beginning and He trancends time which is apparnet in the above passage, SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT !!!!!!!

PEACE
 
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The True Flesh;1035005 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven? already ethered that video, but let me ask any of you this:

Do you reject Yeshua (Jesus) in general or are you just being argumentative?

Y'all don't really understand the Bible.......lets take all of these "reasons" from the video 1 by 1

Was He a madman? If not can you please tell me why he said this? (serious responses only)

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:56-58


That's so-called "reson" #1 Yeshua had no beginning and He trancends time which is apparnet in the above passage, SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT !!!!!!!

PEACE

Where do you get ANYONE is REJECTING Yeshua? All I've stated is that he isn't GOD. Everything else is KOSHER.

As well, if Jesus is God then this verse makes no sense.

John 8:18

18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."

my OTHER witness, if Jesus is God why is there, OTHER in there? If they're one in the same then there is no OTHER there is ONE.

How is Jesus God when this states what it does? How can ONE in both be TWO sperate people? or beings whatever? There's plenty where Jesus speaks as he ISN'T GOD! WHY? Do you UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION in that? NOT to mention the KJV ADDED the actual TRINITY (father, word, spirt) IN THERE! ADDED!!!!!!! Other scripts don't have that. WHY?

You can take and twist that mess to make it look like Jesus is God sure but God was ALWAYS EXPLICIT in the bible, ALWAYS! And NOT ONCE is it CLEAR JESUS IS GOD, not once. Jesus said PRAY LIKE THIS! (no where in his prayer is JESUS mentioned) He says WORSHIP LIKE THIS (not to Jesus to GOD!) Why if Jesus is God? Stop dodging MY questions I asked in earlier, then I'll answer you after you answer me.
 
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Damn, an OLD topic. My old belief, but I want to bump this anyways. There's some people popping in now that didn't when I posted this, so I'm bumping for more of your thoughts. 48 minutes, it goes fast and if you're a believer of Jesus IS God, it's interesting. (even if you aren't)
 
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VIBE86;1029324 said:
Yeah. I'm on the fence though to be honest, even after watching the video. I need to study and read into this more. We can sit and listen to whoever and let them say whatever but we cannot just accept what they say, and this is the problem of the Church. All of them have an instilled product of thought which is all the same, they never double think it, they cannot because they fear they'll be sent to hell. I know though when you really set off of "religion" and read and truly understand, you come to better understanding. This is why I'm now on a whole different level of spirituality, I have no religion, I don't, or try not to, practice my old beliefs in "Christianity".

I'm more on the side of Jesus isn't God but is of God, sent by God, is God's son, everything that "Christians" believe but being God. But still need to dive into scriptures and deciphering it.

good post....
 
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demandred;1032320 said:
Its not wise to pick Paul apart either and push him off as some type of heretic... but rather absorb his wisdom, as Paul had a GREAT understanding of the scripture as it was his lifes dedication, as well as he was taught ontop of his understanding of scripture by the Apostles... he was just the superb writer of them all, and gifted with great intelligence, and understanding

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

If you are able to understand the fullness of this scripture then you are able to understand the Unity of The Spirit, Yahweh, and Yeshua....

While Yeshua was on Earth... he was the 100% human model, vehicle, and sacrifice of reconciliation of our sinful race back to Yahweh... nothing was Godlike while he was here other than he relationship, and his Sonship was based upon his positioning, perspective, and approach towards life... and through him... we are able to be Children of God, and be given all of the benefits that he had while he walked the Earth... if not more depending on our dedication that originates within towards the Father's goals..... In the spirit God is one, broken into three parts... the Father is the Head... Christ is either the arms or the words.... The Holy Spirit is the breath or the animation or life of God.... when you pray to God you pray to all three parts.....

Yeshua connected to the father through his daily walk and prayer life... which linked him with the Holy Spirit.... the same spirit we are able to link with... if we walk the path.. but it comes in prayer... study... understanding... and our daily approach towards our own life and those around us.... his deity is not in the flesh... but in the spirit or in his death... because although his flesh died... he was reborn with even more power within his spirit and soul... which is why one of the conditions of being saved from spiritual and soulish death is the belief that he defeated it because of his relationship with God the Father

Sure their are other ways in which to approach a spiritual life.... just they are dead ends towards pagan Gods... and the thing with paganism is it really doesnt matter what you call the God... long as its not Yahweh.... which has and will leave alot of people towards dead ends... the Bible shows a great example of this in 1 Kings 18:17-40 when Elijah faced off with Yahweh vs the pagan gods

I think the major thing is we need to forget about all of these english translations and stop trying to hold them up like they are the original.... hebrew for the OT, and greek for the NT.... get e-sword it breaks each and every word down and its free

Both

Strong post right here..

The True Flesh;1035005 said:
DoUwant2go2Heaven? already ethered that video, but let me ask any of you this:

Do you reject Yeshua (Jesus) in general or are you just being argumentative?
Y'all don't really understand the Bible.......lets take all of these "reasons" from the video 1 by 1

Was He a madman? If not can you please tell me why he said this? (serious responses only)

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:56-58


That's so-called "reson" #1 Yeshua had no beginning and He trancends time which is apparnet in the above passage, SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT !!!!!!!

PEACE

I have yet to see anyone refute John 8:56-58...
 
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Disciplined InSight;1692896 said:
Strong post right here..

I have yet to see anyone refute John 8:56-58...

Here read the article. I share the same sentiments on how ‘Jesus’ was "before" Abraham...

John 8:58b
Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV)

1. Trinitarians argue that this verse states that Jesus said he was the “I am” (i.e., the Yahweh of the Old Testament), so he must be God. This is just not the case. Saying “I am” does not make a person God. The man born blind that Jesus healed was not claiming to be God, and he said “I am the man,” and the Greek reads exactly like Jesus’ statement, i.e., “I am.” The fact that the exact same phrase is translated two different ways, one as “I am” and the other as “I am the man,” is one reason it is so hard for the average Christian to get the truth from just reading the Bible as it has been translated into English. Most Bible translators are Trinitarian, and their bias appears in various places in their translation, this being a common one. Paul also used the same phrase of himself when he said that he wished all men were as “I am” (Acts 26:29). Thus, we conclude that saying “I am” did not make Paul, the man born blind or Christ into God. C. K. Barrett writes:

Ego eimi [“I am”] does not identify Jesus with God, but it does draw attention to him in the strongest possible terms. “I am the one—the one you must look at, and listen to, if you would know God.” [23]

2. The phrase “I am” occurs many other times in the New Testament, and is often translated as “I am he” or some equivalent (“I am he”—Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 13:19; 18:5, 6 and 8. “It is I”—Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20. “I am the one I claim to be”—John 8:24 and 28.). It is obvious that these translations are quite correct, and it is interesting that the phrase is translated as “I am” only in John 8:58. If the phrase in John 8:58 were translated “I am he” or “I am the one,” like all the others, it would be easier to see that Christ was speaking of himself as the Messiah of God (as indeed he was), spoken of throughout the Old Testament.

At the Last Supper, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said, literally, “Not I am, Lord” (Matt. 26:22 and 25). No one would say that the disciples were trying to deny that they were God because they were using the phrase “Not I am.” The point is this: “I am” was a common way of designating oneself, and it did not mean you were claiming to be God.

3. The argument is made that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, Jesus must have been God. There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the mind of God as God’s plan for the redemption of man. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge. Verse 56 is accurately translated in the King James Version, which says: “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.” This verse says that Abraham “saw” the Day of Christ, which is normally considered by theologians to be the day when Christ conquers the earth and sets up his kingdom. That would fit with what the book of Hebrews says about Abraham: “For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God” (Heb. 11:10). Abraham looked for a city that is still future, yet the Bible says Abraham “saw” it. In what sense could Abraham have seen something that was future? Abraham “saw” the Day of Christ because God told him it was coming, and Abraham “saw” it by faith. Although Abraham saw the Day of Christ by faith, that day existed in the mind of God long before Abraham. Thus, in the context of God’s plan existing from the beginning, Christ certainly was “before” Abraham. Christ was the plan of God for man’s redemption long before Abraham lived. We are not the only ones who believe that Jesus’ statement does not make him God:

To say that Jesus is “before” him is not to lift him out of the ranks of humanity but to assert his unconditional precedence. To take such statements at the level of “flesh” so as to infer, as “the Jews” do that, at less than fifty, Jesus is claiming to have lived on this earth before Abraham (8:52 and 57), is to be as crass as Nicodemus who understands rebirth as an old man entering his mother’s womb a second time (3:4). [24]

4. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus’ “I am” statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God’s “I am” statement in Exodus 3:14. However, the two statements are very different. While the Greek phrase in John does mean “I am,” the Hebrew phrase in Exodus actually means “to be” or “to become.” In other words God is saying, “I will be what I will be.” Thus the “I am” in Exodus is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew text, so the fact that Jesus said “I am” did not make him God.

Buzzard, pp. 93-97

Dana, Letter 21, pp. 169-171

Morgridge, pp. 120-21

Norton, pp. 242-246

Snedeker, pp. 416-418
 
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if schizophrenics exists and they can be convincing in being a whole other person(s). Certainly if GOD choses to divided himsel into three different character, he would be master of the perception or expression of different realiies, with each personality completey independent of each other. But why limit GOD to three personalities, what if...and this is where i blow your minds,...what if he has divided himself into billions, trillions of different personalties and realities, each completely unaware of the other, in a never ending cycle of life and death...and they are you and I.

remember there is no limit to the possibilities of the creator.....
 
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or consider this.....

In the same way God has fashioned everything out of his own energy and exists in his image and is therefore his imagination. This is all the visible image of the invisible God. In exactly the same way that words type on a page are the visible image or reflection of the invisible thoughts and concepts.

God is forever sustaining the universe by means of his thought. Where are we? We are inside of God's head. But how does that make any sense? What does it mean to say that the universe is inside of God's head? Isn't there at least the appearance here of reality?

What is on the other side of the universe? Only God. This is a theory meant to try and explain many things, the vastness of the universe. The incomprehensibility of how it got here. And also some of the mysteries as to how God can be everywhere and inside of everything. The highest heavens the lowest sea, how can he be the first, the last. The same yesterday, today and forever.
 
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toktaylor;1694715 said:
or consider this.....

In the same way God has fashioned everything out of his own energy and exists in his image and is therefore his imagination. This is all the visible image of the invisible God. In exactly the same way that words type on a page are the visible image or reflection of the invisible thoughts and concepts.

God is forever sustaining the universe by means of his thought. Where are we? We are inside of God's head. But how does that make any sense? What does it mean to say that the universe is inside of God's head? Isn't there at least the appearance here of reality?
What is on the other side of the universe? Only God. This is a theory meant to try and explain many things, the vastness of the universe. The incomprehensibility of how it got here. And also some of the mysteries as to how God can be everywhere and inside of everything. The highest heavens the lowest sea, how can he be the first, the last. The same yesterday, today and forever.

No, just because God imagined Jesus doesn't mean Jesus is God.

This a serious subject, this is heavy in the Christian faith. This is very important as well, and this video brought up 10 great points and arguments. I'm not sure if people don't want to get into this or are just lazy to watch a 40+ minute video.
 
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GOD IS EVERYTHING

if schizophrenics exists and they can be convincing in being a whole other person(s). Certainly if GOD choses to divided himsel into three different character, he would be master of the perception or expression of different realiies, with each personality completey independent of each other. But why limit GOD to three personalities, what if...and this is where i blow your minds,...what if he has divided himself into billions, trillions of different personalties and realities, each completely unaware of the other, in a never ending cycle of life and death...and they are you and I.

remember there is no limit to the possibilities of the creator.....
 
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toktaylor;1698597 said:
GOD IS EVERYTHING
if schizophrenics exists and they can be convincing in being a whole other person(s). Certainly if GOD choses to divided himsel into three different character, he would be master of the perception or expression of different realiies, with each personality completey independent of each other. But why limit GOD to three personalities, what if...and this is where i blow your minds,...what if he has divided himself into billions, trillions of different personalties and realities, each completely unaware of the other, in a never ending cycle of life and death...and they are you and I.

remember there is no limit to the possibilities of the creator.....

Schizos are crazy, we can agree on that. So if Tara really thinks she's Buck, T, or Alice that can mean God could be 3 persons as well? No. If you don't know who Tara is, it's simply a TV show. Anyways, that's not a good example. We personally know that a person who thinks they're someone else or acts like someone else is crazy and has a disorder. So is it fair to say God is crazy and has a disorder? How does God divide himself? How does that work? How is God, a God, Holy Spirit and Jesus at the same time? How does Jesus, as man, deny many things and revert them back to the "Father in heaven"? Jesus always pointed back to the God. Called him "God the Father" simply because he would be God the Father of all mankind, our Father as our Creator. In instances from the bible, "US" is used. I don't know what that means, I don't know how to explain it. But that doesn't leave it for the next option as "Jesus has to be God then, right?" Wrong. Have any other options been explored? Is US God and his angels?

Also, that didn't blow my mind. I was like, wtf are you talking about. I see what you're saying, but that's not in the bible, either is the Trinity.
 
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Good video..... a lot of facts were brought up but its a shame how people will still deny or counter argue it.
 
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No jesus is not god..

Can god die?... No

did jesus die?... Yes

can god be tempted...no

was jesus tempted.. Yes

does god feel pain... No

did jesus feel pain.. Yes

is mary the mother of god... No

is mary the mother of jesus.. yes

did god pray to jesus... No

did jesus pray to god...yes

i can go on and on...
 
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VIBE86;1029324 said:
Yeah. I'm on the fence though to be honest, even after watching the video. I need to study and read into this more. We can sit and listen to whoever and let them say whatever but we cannot just accept what they say, and this is the problem of the Church. All of them have an instilled product of thought which is all the same, they never double think it, they cannot because they fear they'll be sent to hell. I know though when you really set off of "religion" and read and truly understand, you come to better understanding. This is why I'm now on a whole different level of spirituality, I have no religion, I don't, or try not to, practice my old beliefs in "Christianity".

I'm more on the side of Jesus isn't God but is of God, sent by God, is God's son, everything that "Christians" believe but being God. But still need to dive into scriptures and deciphering it.

I can dig this. I have no religion either, hopefully no one will one day.

But to each his own.
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;1031791 said:
1. Jesus Christ never had a beginning. Jesus Christ pre-existed His physical birth. Jesus Christ came from eternity and into time to redeem mankind. God became a man to save man. These following verses all speak of Jesus pre-existing His physical birth because He created the universe.

  • "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3
  • "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:2
  • "8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
  • 9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
  • 10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
  • 11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
  • 12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." Hebrews 1:8-12
  • 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17

2. Jesus is Divine in name and is called "GOD" directly: John 1:1-3

  • "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Here are other passages which unquestionably state that Jesus Christ is God.

  • Heb 1:8 Father addresses son as God
  • Jn 1:1 The word was God
  • Phil 2:6-8 Jesus existed in the form of God
  • Jn 20:28 'My Lord and My God
  • Isa 7:14 "A Child Will Be Born And His Name Is Called": "Emanuel: God with us"
  • Isa 9:6 "A Child Will Be Born And His Name Is Called": "Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"

3. Of course nobody has seen God in all His glory. Jesus Christ relieved Himself of the glory that He had before He became a man. He veiled His glory in human flesh and became like one of us, in order to redeem us. If Jesus Christ came to earth glorified at His first coming, mankind would have been doomed because He would becoming to judge and put down sin and rebellion. No man can look at God, glorified, in an unredeemed state and live. We would all melt in the presence of His glory. Philippians the 2nd chapter addresses the issue of Jesus Christ laying aside His glory, even though He is God, so that He could redeem man.

  • "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. "

4. Jesus did teach that He was God.

  • "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58

Jesus Christ told us to, "search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39) Now if you don't search the scriptures to see if these things are true, you will continue to not believe, just as the jews didn't even though He performed signs and miracles that the world had never seen before or after His first coming.

5. Jesus Christ became a man and was made like His brethren. Of course He slept, ate, and prayed. These reasons are ridiculous. The man in the video has no knowledge of God, nor does He have any knowledge of the scriptures.

  • "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." Hebrews 2:17

I will leave off here. If need be I will answer the last 5 disputes with the knowledge that the Holy Spirit (who is God too) will give me. Thank you Lord for you have hidden these things from the wise in heart and has revealed your truth unto babes. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to you and you take the wise in their own craftiness. I glorify you Father for giving me wisdom and understanding in order to praise you for who you truly are and to give light to a world filled with darkness. Continue to use me and fashion me into the image of your Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

i missed the replies to this
 
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