Thoughts on obamacare??

[Undefeatable]

Interestingly, a small number of Republican senators have come out against Repeal and Delay. It is increasingly looking like Republicans don't have the votes to pass a repeal and delay bill.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/obamacare-repeal-might-have-just-died-tonight.html

 

[Will Munny]

honestly I say we need to get some kind of government healthcare going, cause the shit that I PAY for really can't be much worse. I've grown to fuckin despise doctors as I've gotten older. I'm just sick of doctors being revered for being to able put 8 years of good study skills together.c

 

[Crude_]

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Its a good foundation.

Insurance companies chose to revolt by going up on premiums and setting higher deductibles for healthy people to offset the cost of taking on people with preexisting conditions.

It was all fun and games though the years when these insurance companies were collecting those high premiums monthly for nothing and refusing to cover the unhealthy, sick, elderly, and other people who are at high risk though.

People hate paying those high premiums and deductibles however if you get sick it is more than worth it, something that the Republicans have proposed like heath savings accounts (HSA) which is a tax free way to save up for your medical bills is laughable.

There is little to no way a normal American citizen can save up to have an open heart surgery, chemotherapy and radiation for cancer patients, hospitalization for traumatic injuries etc which those things can cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars when nearly half of the U.S population makes 50K a year or less a year.

I don't have a problem with the government trying to push everyone towards having coverage either because eventually you're going to have to go to the hospital or doctor and someone is going to have to foot that bill even if its a charity type hospital where you dont pay (those doctors aren't working for free).

The larger companies revolt against it by cutting hours so they don't have to pay for full time benefits such as insurance.

The small business owner cut hours and sometimes cut employees as well.

I believe once the market stabilizes you'll see how consideribly better it is to the alternatives. There is a reason other first world countries have adopted similar healthcare reform.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

not perfect, but a good start

 

[deadeye]

It's not perfect, but it is better than what existed before.

And it would be better still if it wasn't sabotaged by Republicans.

Also, the jump in premiums last year appear to be a one-time market adjustment. Things appear to have stabilized.

Finally, the mandate is essential, otherwise you can't require that insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions. It would simply be too expensive for them. We need healthy people to subsidize sicker people, that's the bottom line.

Sounds good in theory, but the last sentence is part of the problem.

Healthy people living from paycheck-to-paycheck aren't going to "subsidize" anything.

They simply don't have the money.

So, they're more likely to pay the penalty because it's still cheaper than paying a monthly premium.

Furthermore, the penalty isn't really "paid".......it's just taken out of any tax refund they'd get.

So, if someone's not getting a refund.........the penalty won't get paid.

On top of that, if there is a substantial number of healthy young people getting a subsidy.......or on their parents Healthcare until they turn 26.......then where is the money coming from to subsidize sick people?

Basically, it's a good idea......but it's not sustainable because they're aren't enough healthy people willing to pay for something that they don't think they need.

Unless you have a pre-existing condition or qualify for a subsidy, it really doesn't benefit you at all.

 

[Mr.LV]

They should of put a public option into Obamacare but they had to take it off to get private companies on board and get it pass through congress,if that was put into place premiums would not be skyrocketing out of control ,competition would kick in and the private companies would compete instead of monopolize states etc.

 

[deadeye]

It's completely bullshit

Why?

Cause it cost too damn much.

My premium is $347 and will be way over $400 by this time next year. As it stands, theres nothing to stop them from jacking it up to $500 in 2019.

If you're job doesn't offer it, you're gonna be screwed at this rate.

When I first started paying for my own insurance a few years back my premiums were only $247/month.

They've gradually gone up and this year I'll be paying $382/month.

Thankfully, besides my weight, I don't have any health problems and haven't been sick or needed any kind of emergency care or anything.

The only reason I have it is in case I need it.

Hence the saying........."It's better to have something you don't need........than to need something you don't have."

If I was in my 20's or 30's though...........

I wouldn't pay a damn thing.

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

I'm in my mid 20s, no pre existing health conditions and Blue Cross Blue Shield ( the marketplace) initially quoted me $427 a month!!!!! Nigga I almost had a damn aneurysm just based off how fucking sick and corrupted this country is for something as BASIC as health.

Anyways, I qualified for some type of subsidy/credit so I'm only paying in the double digits now. But wow just to think I possibly could've been paying a health care bill equivalent to a luxury car note is truly pathetic.

 

[ineedpussy]

why should i have to pay for something ALL illegals gone get. but i got to pay a penalty........sheeeeiiiiiitttttt. thats that bullshit

 

[twizza 77]

I have insurance through the my job. Luckily, I don't have to deal with the high ass premiums. I wish there was a competitive market for doctors and health insurance like there is for cars.

 

[Peace_79]

LMAO @ this myth that healthcare was "cheap" before Obamacare.

Many people blame the ACA, for the ills of the American healthcare system, itself.

Multi-faceted, trillion dollar problems affecting hundreds of millions of people don't get solved overnight.

I don't understand why people are so aversed to building on progress and making it better that it is.

 

[Peace_79]

go back to lettin me decide if i want health insurance and then when i get sick ill just go to the er and not fit the bill.

Basically ...

 

[Peace_79]

It's completely bullshit

Why?

Cause it cost too damn much.

My premium is $347 and will be way over $400 by this time next year. As it stands, theres nothing to stop them from jacking it up to $500 in 2019.

If you're job doesn't offer it, you're gonna be screwed at this rate.

If I was in my 20's or 30's though...........

I wouldn't pay a damn thing.

Simply put.

This is irresponsible.

Framing the healthcare apparatus negatively through the lens of $100 - $400 in One's own budget is, frankly, pretty myopic.

EVERYONE at some point will need significant support from the healthcare system in their lifetime.

Why shouldn't they pay for it?

 

[Max.]

https://twitter.com/countermoonbat/status/791626315208065024

Lmaoooo

 

[Mr.LV]

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

The world's most richest and most powerful country in human history is ranked 37 in health system
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...ations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/f

1 France

2 Italy

3 San Marino

4 Andorra

5 Malta

6 Singapore

7 Spain

8 Oman

9 Austria

10 Japan

11 Norway

12 Portugal

13 Monaco

14 Greece

15 Iceland

16 Luxembourg

17 Netherlands

18 United Kingdom

19 Ireland

20 Switzerland

21 Belgium

22 Colombia

23 Sweden

24 Cyprus

25 Germany

26 Saudi Arabia

27 United Arab Emirates

28 Israel

29 Morocco

30 Canada

31 Finland

32 Australia

33 Chile

34 Denmark

35 Dominica

36 Costa Rica

37 USA

38 Slovenia

39 Cuba

40 Brunei

41 New Zealand

42 Bahrain

43 Croatia

44 Qatar

45 Kuwait

46 Barbados

47 Thailand

48 Czech Republic

49 Malaysia

50 Poland

51 Dominican Republic

52 Tunisia

53 Jamaica

54 Venezuela

55 Albania

56 Seychelles

57 Paraguay

58 South Korea

59 Senegal

60 Philippines

61 Mexico

62 Slovakia

63 Egypt

64 Kazakhstan

65 Uruguay

66 Hungary

67 Trinidad and Tobago

68 Saint Lucia

69 Belize

70 Turkey

71 Nicaragua

72 Belarus

73 Lithuania

74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

75 Argentina

76 Sri Lanka

77 Estonia

78 Guatemala

79 Ukraine

80 Solomon Islands

81 Algeria

82 Palau

83 Jordan

84 Mauritius

85 Grenada

86 Antigua and Barbuda

87 Libya

88 Bangladesh

89 Macedonia

90 Bosnia-Herzegovina

91 Lebanon

92 Indonesia

93 Iran

94 Bahamas

95 Panama

96 Fiji

97 Benin

98 Nauru

99 Romania

100 Saint Kitts and Nevis

101 Moldova

102 Bulgaria

103 Iraq

104 Armenia

105 Latvia

106 Yugoslavia

107 Cook Islands

108 Syria

109 Azerbaijan

110 Suriname

111 Ecuador

112 India

113 Cape Verde

114 Georgia

115 El Salvador

116 Tonga

117 Uzbekistan

118 Comoros

119 Samoa

120 Yemen

121 Niue

122 Pakistan

123 Micronesia

124 Bhutan

125 Brazil

126 Bolivia

127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana

129 Peru

130 Russia

131 Honduras

132 Burkina Faso

133 Sao Tome and Principe

134 Sudan

135 Ghana

136 Tuvalu

137 Ivory Coast

138 Haiti

139 Gabon

140 Kenya

141 Marshall Islands

142 Kiribati

143 Burundi

144 China

145 Mongolia

146 Gambia

147 Maldives

148 Papua New Guinea

149 Uganda

150 Nepal

151 Kyrgystan

152 Togo

153 Turkmenistan

154 Tajikistan

155 Zimbabwe

156 Tanzania

157 Djibouti

158 Eritrea

159 Madagascar

160 Vietnam

161 Guinea

162 Mauritania

163 Mali

164 Cameroon

165 Laos

166 Congo

167 North Korea

168 Namibia

169 Botswana

170 Niger

171 Equatorial Guinea

172 Rwanda

173 Afghanistan

174 Cambodia

175 South Africa

176 Guinea-Bissau

177 Swaziland

178 Chad

179 Somalia

180 Ethiopia

181 Angola

182 Zambia

183 Lesotho

184 Mozambique

185 Malawi

186 Liberia

187 Nigeria

188 Democratic Republic of the Congo

189 Central African Republic

190 Myanmar

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems

The world's most richest and most powerful country in human history is ranked 37 in health system
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...ations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/f

1 France

2 Italy

3 San Marino

4 Andorra

5 Malta

6 Singapore

7 Spain

8 Oman

9 Austria

10 Japan

11 Norway

12 Portugal

13 Monaco

14 Greece

15 Iceland

16 Luxembourg

17 Netherlands

18 United Kingdom

19 Ireland

20 Switzerland

21 Belgium

22 Colombia

23 Sweden

24 Cyprus

25 Germany

26 Saudi Arabia

27 United Arab Emirates

28 Israel

29 Morocco

30 Canada

31 Finland

32 Australia

33 Chile

34 Denmark

35 Dominica

36 Costa Rica

37 USA

38 Slovenia

39 Cuba

40 Brunei

41 New Zealand

42 Bahrain

43 Croatia

44 Qatar

45 Kuwait

46 Barbados

47 Thailand

48 Czech Republic

49 Malaysia

50 Poland

51 Dominican Republic

52 Tunisia

53 Jamaica

54 Venezuela

55 Albania

56 Seychelles

57 Paraguay

58 South Korea

59 Senegal

60 Philippines

61 Mexico

62 Slovakia

63 Egypt

64 Kazakhstan

65 Uruguay

66 Hungary

67 Trinidad and Tobago

68 Saint Lucia

69 Belize

70 Turkey

71 Nicaragua

72 Belarus

73 Lithuania

74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

75 Argentina

76 Sri Lanka

77 Estonia

78 Guatemala

79 Ukraine

80 Solomon Islands

81 Algeria

82 Palau

83 Jordan

84 Mauritius

85 Grenada

86 Antigua and Barbuda

87 Libya

88 Bangladesh

89 Macedonia

90 Bosnia-Herzegovina

91 Lebanon

92 Indonesia

93 Iran

94 Bahamas

95 Panama

96 Fiji

97 Benin

98 Nauru

99 Romania

100 Saint Kitts and Nevis

101 Moldova

102 Bulgaria

103 Iraq

104 Armenia

105 Latvia

106 Yugoslavia

107 Cook Islands

108 Syria

109 Azerbaijan

110 Suriname

111 Ecuador

112 India

113 Cape Verde

114 Georgia

115 El Salvador

116 Tonga

117 Uzbekistan

118 Comoros

119 Samoa

120 Yemen

121 Niue

122 Pakistan

123 Micronesia

124 Bhutan

125 Brazil

126 Bolivia

127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana

129 Peru

130 Russia

131 Honduras

132 Burkina Faso

133 Sao Tome and Principe

134 Sudan

135 Ghana

136 Tuvalu

137 Ivory Coast

138 Haiti

139 Gabon

140 Kenya

141 Marshall Islands

142 Kiribati

143 Burundi

144 China

145 Mongolia

146 Gambia

147 Maldives

148 Papua New Guinea

149 Uganda

150 Nepal

151 Kyrgystan

152 Togo

153 Turkmenistan

154 Tajikistan

155 Zimbabwe

156 Tanzania

157 Djibouti

158 Eritrea

159 Madagascar

160 Vietnam

161 Guinea

162 Mauritania

163 Mali

164 Cameroon

165 Laos

166 Congo

167 North Korea

168 Namibia

169 Botswana

170 Niger

171 Equatorial Guinea

172 Rwanda

173 Afghanistan

174 Cambodia

175 South Africa

176 Guinea-Bissau

177 Swaziland

178 Chad

179 Somalia

180 Ethiopia

181 Angola

182 Zambia

183 Lesotho

184 Mozambique

185 Malawi

186 Liberia

187 Nigeria

188 Democratic Republic of the Congo

189 Central African Republic

190 Myanmar

That's some shameful shit smh

 

[luke1733]

Just curious, everyones thoughts? Why do so many ppl(mainly whites) hate it?? What about the penalty for not having insurance?? I used it once when i was jobless and it was actually way better than the insurance i got now through my job, i think its retarded that some of the republicans tryna get rid of it with no plan in place to replace it, anyways what yall think?

I think it has helped some people. AS for some who actually are brokebut have to pay for some insurance or risk being fined, I can understand people not liking. As for the fact that America as a whole was already paying drastic amounts for covering people who didn't have insurance and Obamacare has drastically cut this expense THEN its positive. As for insurance companies getting away with MURDER when it comes to inflation and charging sick people whatever they wanted without any type of regulation or worrying about citizens having an alternative THIS obamacare takes care of that by offering competition and regulation to make basic medicare for preexisting conditions and grave illnesses affordable.

Basically people who would be dead without Obamacare are given a chance to live years more. THere was no alternative before Obamacare except death

 

[fortyacres]

 

[blakfyahking]

Just curious, everyones thoughts? Why do so many ppl(mainly whites) hate it?? What about the penalty for not having insurance?? I used it once when i was jobless and it was actually way better than the insurance i got now through my job, i think its retarded that some of the republicans tryna get rid of it with no plan in place to replace it, anyways what yall think?

I think it has helped some people. AS for some who actually are brokebut have to pay for some insurance or risk being fined, I can understand people not liking. As for the fact that America as a whole was already paying drastic amounts for covering people who didn't have insurance and Obamacare has drastically cut this expense THEN its positive. As for insurance companies getting away with MURDER when it comes to inflation and charging sick people whatever they wanted without any type of regulation or worrying about citizens having an alternative THIS obamacare takes care of that by offering competition and regulation to make basic medicare for preexisting conditions and grave illnesses affordable.

Basically people who would be dead without Obamacare are given a chance to live years more. THere was no alternative before Obamacare except death

u simplifying the benefits of Obamacare tho

there were plenty of alternatives to Obamacare but fanboys will do anything to cheer for him, even thru failures

1st there's no excuse why there shouldn't be govt paid healthcare if ur a citizen

2nd u could've enacted a form of the ACA without making sure that insurance companies could still get a cut........the problem of opaque pricing still remains..........and now a two-tier system of healthcare is being created without majority of people even realizing it

finally, insurance companies still aren't required to compete with each other which means they have no incentive to truly lower pricing....healthcare is one of the least transparent markets and it's done on purpose because of the ability to make money in the industry

 

[luke1733]

Just curious, everyones thoughts? Why do so many ppl(mainly whites) hate it?? What about the penalty for not having insurance?? I used it once when i was jobless and it was actually way better than the insurance i got now through my job, i think its retarded that some of the republicans tryna get rid of it with no plan in place to replace it, anyways what yall think?

I think it has helped some people. AS for some who actually are brokebut have to pay for some insurance or risk being fined, I can understand people not liking. As for the fact that America as a whole was already paying drastic amounts for covering people who didn't have insurance and Obamacare has drastically cut this expense THEN its positive. As for insurance companies getting away with MURDER when it comes to inflation and charging sick people whatever they wanted without any type of regulation or worrying about citizens having an alternative THIS obamacare takes care of that by offering competition and regulation to make basic medicare for preexisting conditions and grave illnesses affordable.

Basically people who would be dead without Obamacare are given a chance to live years more. THere was no alternative before Obamacare except death

u simplifying the benefits of Obamacare tho

there were plenty of alternatives to Obamacare but fanboys will do anything to cheer for him, even thru failures

1st there's no excuse why there shouldn't be govt paid healthcare if ur a citizen

2nd u could've enacted a form of the ACA without making sure that insurance companies could still get a cut........the problem of opaque pricing still remains..........and now a two-tier system of healthcare is being created without majority of people even realizing it

finally, insurance companies still aren't required to compete with each other which means they have no incentive to truly lower pricing....healthcare is one of the least transparent markets and it's done on purpose because of the ability to make money in the industry

not trying to simplify. I'm trying not to write dissertations everytime I respond on AHH. You can see my long titangraphs I'm always writing on here.

But here's a few more examples directly attributed to the positives of Obamacare that effected the healthcare industry and citizens:

uninsured rate has never in the country been lower

health care costs are rising at the slowest rate in 50 years