Thought about the big bang!

[ThaChozenWun]

Okay, so with your theory Chozen, a bunch of other planets, comets, rocks, debris all gathered in a black hole and blew and we get what we have now?

Where did that other stuff come from then?

Also, you see "Through The Worm Hole with Morgan Freeman" ??

They had a great showing about the Big Bang and this new theory, which was very interesting. I forget the name of it, I'll have to re-watch it again on my DVR. Been a while since I last seen it.

Never seen it but I came across it scrolling through the guide, I think it was during the NBA finals though so I didn't start watching it.

As where did the other stuff come from what other stuff?

When I say it pulled in things like planets, rocks, etc.. I don't mean it sucked them in, and then spit them out whole.
If you read into black holes they have certain characteristics that would have essentially heated everything up inside of it likely turning it back to liquid form. At the point of explosion it would have been more or less a pocket full of magma like liquid. This would explain to me why the Sun is there, why Earth was a gigantic burning ball during the beginning. Why there are comets and asteroids.

I'm not saying my idea was right, someone with really good knowledge could probably tear it to shreds, but I think personally I thought it out pretty well. There's one thing I will admit I don't understand in my theory.

If this was the case, why is it that the sun remained a fiery ball, and the planets have cooled down a lot. Comets and Asteroids are cold rock obviously because they are moving through space quicker than us which cooled them quicker. The Earth I'm guessing stayed warmer for so long because it formed an atmosphere which trapped the heat inside slowing the cooling rate.

The only reason I'm guessing the sun would still be burning is because of its immense size.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I wonder if the big bang created a bunch of babies or full fledge adults.?

A bunch of smurfs.

 

[And Step]

My contention with the Big Bang is not that it didn't happen. Human beings come into existence through a mini explosion, so I can dig that. My point is what originated it?

Explosions are not possible without combining different elements and I want to know what caused the combining of the two elements.

I'm not interested in the effect, show me the source or cause then we can deal.

 

[And Step]

Most likely the Creator.

Well yeah. But whom or what is the Creator?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

My contention with the Big Bang is not that it didn't happen. Human beings come into existence through a mini explosion, so I can dig that. My point is what originated it?

Explosions are not possible without combining different elements and I want to know what caused the combining of the two elements.

I'm not interested in the effect, show me the source or cause then we can deal.

That's what I explained, how it originated. I'm not saying my theory is the end all be all, but I think it's logical it could be an explanation for some formations of galaxies.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

That's not really how black holes work. It's not like your analogy of water in a container. Everything that goes into a black hole is compressed into a singularity, an infinitessimal point. They don't fill to capacity and then explode. Though it is possible for them to be destroyed, that process is through Hawking radiation. Black holes lose mass through this radiation and if they aren't taking in additional mass, they will eventually be reduced to nothingness.

The big bang isn't really an explosion in the traditional sense. It's more like a huge expansion that happened in an unbelievably short amount of time. Again it has nothing really to do with the build of objects, especially considering the common thought is that matter did not even exist at the initial stages of the Big Bang. In reality it has more to do with entropy and temperature. The conditions prior to the big bang involved an insane amount of heat. This he is what lead to the great expansion.

There is one thing you weren't really far off about though, that being the distribution of "rocks." Originally there were no heavy metals or solid matter. That all came from Supernovae. When large stars die, they explode. Most of the heavy metals we have on this planet come from supernovae that happened elsewhere in the universe.

Anyway, the idea of a Creator and the Big Bang Theory don't really contradict each other at all. As of now, science doesn't know what put the conditions in place for the "Big Bang." Religion on the other hand never describes the mechanism for which creation occurs. God said "Let there be light" and the universe was formed. There is no logical reason why one can't believe that it was God's word that triggered the Big Bang. Although, I will say we have a way of personifying everything, so God may not exactly be what we think he/it is and the same can be said for his "word." These are concepts for what we understand, but reality could be different.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

That's not really how black holes work. It's not like your analogy of water in a container. Everything that goes into a black hole is compressed into a singularity, an infinitessimal point. They don't fill to capacity and then explode. Though it is possible for them to be destroyed, that process is through Hawking radiation. Black holes lose mass through this radiation and if they aren't taking in additional mass, they will eventually be reduced to nothingness.

The big bang isn't really an explosion in the traditional sense. It's more like a huge expansion that happened in an unbelievably short amount of time. Again it has nothing really to do with the build of objects, especially considering the common thought is that matter did not even exist at the initial stages of the Big Bang. In reality it has more to do with entropy and temperature. The conditions prior to the big bang involved an insane amount of heat. This he is what lead to the great expansion.

There is one thing you weren't really far off about though, that being the distribution of "rocks." Originally there were no heavy metals or solid matter. That all came from Supernovae. When large stars die, they explode. Most of the heavy metals we have on this planet come from supernovae that happened elsewhere in the universe.

Anyway, the idea of a Creator and the Big Bang Theory don't really contradict each other at all. As of now, science doesn't know what put the conditions in place for the "Big Bang." Religion on the other hand never describes the mechanism for which creation occurs. God said "Let there be light" and the universe was formed. There is no logical reason why one can't believe that it was God's word that triggered the Big Bang. Although, I will say we have a way of personifying everything, so God may not exactly be what we think he/it is and the same can be said for his "word." These are concepts for what we understand, but reality could be different.

Right but isn't is possible to basically explode because of the expansion? The objects go in, once there they are turned into a magma like liquid and also gases as we both mentioned. The heat from this combined with the radiation would swell the hole like vapors swell objects now. A simple rip or a tear in the hole would project that magma out, explaining why the Earth was fire as well as other planets from what we can see, why we have a giant burning mixture of gas, why we are constantly in motion in the universe,

 

[whar67]

Lonious Monk post is spot on and I would like to expand on it. First an observation regarding Hawking Radiation. It has been my understanding (which is very limited) that Hawking radiation is the manner that Black Holes gain entropy. At the quantum level particles come into existence in pairs and they collide destroying each other. At the event horizon of a black hole these pairs can travel on different side of the horizon. Those within the black hole move towatd the singularity while thoses on the other side fly off as Hawking Radiation. The death of a black hole I had thougght was caused by evaporation. Black holes are incredibly cold things and energy flows from the hot areas (the surrounding universe) and into the cold areas (the black hole). However in a few trillion years the universe will be colder than the average black hole and the process will reverse with the universe drawing energy out of the black hole, effectively evaporating it.

I loved that Lonious Monk brought up the concept of expansion rather than explosion. We commonly think of the Big Bang as an explosion when this is flawed. An explosion is a reaction that radically alters the volume of a mass. A brick of C4 might occupy 1/4 cubic meter at rest by when it explodes it wants to occupy 40 cubic meters. Assumed within an explosion is space or volume. The Big Bang is not simply responsible for the energy and matter we see in the universe but also for the space and time we see as well. The distance between you are your monitor is a result of the Big Bang. The current understanding of the pre-big bang universe is mathmatically constructed and currently impossible to get test data on. Imagine all of reality both within our universe and anything that exists outside it. We will call this the Multiverse. The Multiverse is filled with pure energy (queue Herbie Hancock) defined into separate scalar fields. These fields can interact with each other and in some of those interactions produce expansions of SpaceTime bubbles. One such bubble is our universe, however there can be many of these universes in the multiverse each operating in there own bubble. The rules of physics we understand are confined to our on bubble concepts such as space or volume and time do not have to obey the same rules in the multiverse as they do here.

 

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That's the 'newer' theory of the Big Bang. Very interesting.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

That's the 'newer' theory of the Big Bang. Very interesting.

Very interesting theory im about to go read up on it some more

 

[TX_Made713]

Got a giant post im going to put up about this topic. I dont have time to write it right now, will do later

 

[musicology1985]

Great thread ChozenWun. I'm learning a great deal in here.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

My contention with the Big Bang is not that it didn't happen. Human beings come into existence through a mini explosion, so I can dig that. My point is what originated it?

Explosions are not possible without combining different elements and I want to know what caused the combining of the two elements.

I'm not interested in the effect, show me the source or cause then we can deal.

the big bang was not an explosion

it's the most erroneously named thing ever in science

also, the "cause" doesn't necessarily have to exist, since time only came into existence with the Big Bang, so there was no cause-and-effect principal in place "before" the Big Bang

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

threadstarter doesnt know basic astronomy stuff, difference between galaxies and universes, etc.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

threadstarter doesnt know basic astronomy stuff, difference between galaxies and universes, etc.

Full of shit post, where it shows I dont understand the difference between galaxies and the universe I have no idea

 

[ThaChozenWun]

hold up so you are saying this galaxy was created via blackhole "explosion" (after the build up of all the things the black hole had sucked (nh) in)...because the black hole basically became full and started to spill over? Is that even possible, black holes have a limited amount of space?

Also how would this explain the 12351235125125612362362346 other galaxies out there? Each has a black hole associated with it?

The universe would have more black holes than a ghetto gaggers compilation dvd if that's true

What I'm saying is its possible that a black hole is more like a pocket in space than a hole that has infinite space and destroys everything that goes inside of it. Basically a collapsed star forms a black hole, these black holes are numerous there is four different size ones. It's possible that they aren't infinite and able to destroy everything completely and that what goes into them doesn't just vanish but rather continually builds up and other things turns into gases. The gravity in a black hole is strong enough to suck object bigger than Earth into it, this we know for a fact. If you look at the known galaxies including ours there is a linear black hole in each, this could possibly be a rip in a black hole somewhere. And the universe has an infinite number of black holes right now, until we explore and reach the universes boundaries everything we see in space in infinite.

 

[TX_Made713]

So let me ask everybody here

DO YOU FEEL ITS POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO SPONTANEOUSLY CREATE ITSELF?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

So let me ask everybody here

DO YOU FEEL ITS POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO SPONTANEOUSLY CREATE ITSELF?

Sure, why not?

like whar was talmbout, we're potentially dealing with a multiverse where the laws of physics from our universe don't apply to reality as a whole

and the Big Bang isn't about the universe spontaneously creating itself, its about quantum fluctuations in the multiverse and some other shit neither of us are really prepared to discuss

jumping to the "it must be a magical super being" conclusion is fucking ridiculous

 

[TX_Made713]

Sure, why not?

like whar was talmbout, we're potentially dealing with a multiverse where the laws of physics from our universe don't apply to reality as a whole

and the Big Bang isn't about the universe spontaneously creating itself, its about quantum fluctuations in the multiverse and some other shit neither of us are really prepared to discuss

jumping to the "it must be a magical super being" conclusion is fucking ridiculous

well considering its all theory I cant prove otherwise. But just logically I dont see how thats possible. There has to be a before to be an after.

assuming there is a universe outside this universe...there has to be an origin at some point..

otherwise there would be shit popping out of nowhere to this day

 

[whar67]

So let me ask everybody here

DO YOU FEEL ITS POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO SPONTANEOUSLY CREATE ITSELF?

I would go with no.

However since our understanding of reality is so bound by thinking linearly (time) and in 3 dimensions it becomes very difficult to visualize existence outside of them. The priniciple of casuality which is seems inviolable in our universe becomes hard to concieve if you lose the ability to separate causes from effects sequentially. I believe the permanance of existence is found in the first law of thermodynamics, energy can not be created or destroyed. It is therefore eternal. The energy expressed in this universe will be reabsorbed back into the multiverse and expressed again.