if this is in and of itself a disqualification, why do you exempt Hillary, who supported it to the fullest of her abilities?babelipsss;8798101 said:Bernie can backtrack all he wants. The fact is that he willingly voted for the 1994 crime bill.
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if this is in and of itself a disqualification, why do you exempt Hillary, who supported it to the fullest of her abilities?babelipsss;8798101 said:Bernie can backtrack all he wants. The fact is that he willingly voted for the 1994 crime bill.
5th Letter;8800715 said:Stiff;8800689 said:leftcoastkev;8800681 said:Good luck with this national political theatre bullshit. If I actually believed in it I'd be even more disappointed.
Just to indulge it for a minute, what has Sanders, Clinton, etc proposed that will possibly benefit YOUR life on an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL level in a positive way as a black person living in America?
Not what effects "the group" but what actually affects YOU.
E.g., Not crime if your not a criminal....
E.g., Not jobs if your employed...
Based off what Bernie proposed:
Single payer health care system...as a person that's currently uninsured that would give me access to cheaper health coverage than I have right now
And raising the minimum wage to $15...as a person that works 2 jobs, one part time at $11/hr and one full time at $10/hr .. that would put waaaaaay more money in my pocket...probably even enough money to quit one of the jobs and go back to school in the evenings where I would have
Tuition free classes at a public university.
Sounds good. Except everybody would benefit from this including the niggers. Yet Bernie would make sure to give specific benefits to Jews, specific benefits to gays, Native Americans etc. What specific benefits will he make sure black people receive?
BOSSExcellence;8798249 said:Stiff;8798122 said:desertrain10;8798116 said:Stiff;8797986 said:SneakDZA;8795998 said:Of course, Clinton supporters are guilty of doing this as well. They promoted, as one example, civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis's comments that he never saw or met with Sanders at civil rights protests — a shot against Sanders's past remarks that he protested segregation in the 1960s. (Sanders did protest; the question is just how involved he really was and how relevant that is to today's Black Lives Matter protests.)
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That's not really a question.
what trips me out about the whole thing is...Sanders was REALLY out there...and has been out there for a long ass time. In the 60s he coulda just been living life being a white Jew...what the fuck did he gain by being beaten by the police for niggas?
But now for some reason so-called Black "leaders" for the most part supporting Hillary Clinton by default. Why tho? What in her or Bill's record makes people think that she gives in semblance of of a quarter-fuck about Black people? Everybody complains about the disproportionate sentencing in the drug-laws...the Clintons championed that shit! Hillary Clinton was going around the 90's stumping calling Black people "super-predators". Bill Clinton signed the law that expanded the war on drugs. Why are they acting like this didn't happen?
Everybody knows that the The Great Recession hit Black people waaaaay harder than everybody else. Deregulation is partly if not mostly to blame for that. It was Bill Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagle that let the Banks go wild with everybody's money. It didn't even take a decade after Clinton signing the GLBA for the entire economy to implode. The Clintons work for themselves and wall Street period. Always have always will. She's just gonna say whatever she has to say to get elected. I lose respect for every Black leader that comes out and says they endorse Clinton..because they only doing so for personal advancement. And it's a shame because John Lewis is MY congressman here in Atlanta and he put in so much work for a long time..but he selling Black people up the river by acting like Hillary gives a fuck about us....he being opportunistic af. They even got the mayor here on a radio commercial ad telling everybody they need to get out and vote for hillary. Everytime it come on I gotta change the station...can't listen to that bullshit on my way to work.
I don't give a fuck how many negroes in suits you parade out in front of me...I'm not voting for wack ass hillary. Not on Super Tuesday and if she wins the nomination not in November. Ok had to get that off my chest
My thoughts exactly
Bernie isn't the perfect candidate, but I don't understand the starch support of the Clintons
And do ppl forget in 2008 the distinctly racist undertones of her 08 campaign against Obama???
Remember during a debate she was trying to paint Obama as having close ties with Farrakhan, who in some white ppls eyes is the devil incarnate
Before that she was taking swipes at Obama for his close ties with Jeremiah Wright
Then many ppl accused Clinton's campaign of circulating a picture of Obama in traditional Somali garb
Doesn't sound like the actions of someone truly concerned with racial injustices
I'm young..I was 8 when Clinton left office so I wasn't around back then paying attention...but I just can't find any meaningful reason for Black people to be so loyal to the Clintons? In hindsight it seem like he ain't really do shit for Black people...and they called him the "first Black president" why?? It can't just be because of him playing the saxophone on Arsenio that time...just can't be.
sadly.. i think thats it..
oh!
and he gave niggas houses witout the means to keep to keep it..
*thinkin*
yeh.. thats all i got..
BOSSExcellence;8800996 said:BOSSExcellence;8798249 said:Stiff;8798122 said:desertrain10;8798116 said:Stiff;8797986 said:SneakDZA;8795998 said:Of course, Clinton supporters are guilty of doing this as well. They promoted, as one example, civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis's comments that he never saw or met with Sanders at civil rights protests — a shot against Sanders's past remarks that he protested segregation in the 1960s. (Sanders did protest; the question is just how involved he really was and how relevant that is to today's Black Lives Matter protests.)
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That's not really a question.
what trips me out about the whole thing is...Sanders was REALLY out there...and has been out there for a long ass time. In the 60s he coulda just been living life being a white Jew...what the fuck did he gain by being beaten by the police for niggas?
But now for some reason so-called Black "leaders" for the most part supporting Hillary Clinton by default. Why tho? What in her or Bill's record makes people think that she gives in semblance of of a quarter-fuck about Black people? Everybody complains about the disproportionate sentencing in the drug-laws...the Clintons championed that shit! Hillary Clinton was going around the 90's stumping calling Black people "super-predators". Bill Clinton signed the law that expanded the war on drugs. Why are they acting like this didn't happen?
Everybody knows that the The Great Recession hit Black people waaaaay harder than everybody else. Deregulation is partly if not mostly to blame for that. It was Bill Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagle that let the Banks go wild with everybody's money. It didn't even take a decade after Clinton signing the GLBA for the entire economy to implode. The Clintons work for themselves and wall Street period. Always have always will. She's just gonna say whatever she has to say to get elected. I lose respect for every Black leader that comes out and says they endorse Clinton..because they only doing so for personal advancement. And it's a shame because John Lewis is MY congressman here in Atlanta and he put in so much work for a long time..but he selling Black people up the river by acting like Hillary gives a fuck about us....he being opportunistic af. They even got the mayor here on a radio commercial ad telling everybody they need to get out and vote for hillary. Everytime it come on I gotta change the station...can't listen to that bullshit on my way to work.
I don't give a fuck how many negroes in suits you parade out in front of me...I'm not voting for wack ass hillary. Not on Super Tuesday and if she wins the nomination not in November. Ok had to get that off my chest
My thoughts exactly
Bernie isn't the perfect candidate, but I don't understand the starch support of the Clintons
And do ppl forget in 2008 the distinctly racist undertones of her 08 campaign against Obama???
Remember during a debate she was trying to paint Obama as having close ties with Farrakhan, who in some white ppls eyes is the devil incarnate
Before that she was taking swipes at Obama for his close ties with Jeremiah Wright
Then many ppl accused Clinton's campaign of circulating a picture of Obama in traditional Somali garb
Doesn't sound like the actions of someone truly concerned with racial injustices
I'm young..I was 8 when Clinton left office so I wasn't around back then paying attention...but I just can't find any meaningful reason for Black people to be so loyal to the Clintons? In hindsight it seem like he ain't really do shit for Black people...and they called him the "first Black president" why?? It can't just be because of him playing the saxophone on Arsenio that time...just can't be.
sadly.. i think thats it..
oh!
and he gave niggas houses witout the means to keep to keep it..
*thinkin*
yeh.. thats all i got..
oh yeh..
and they moved to Harlem or station there or some shit!!?
thats all i got. lol
Stiff;8800938 said:5th Letter;8800715 said:Stiff;8800689 said:leftcoastkev;8800681 said:Good luck with this national political theatre bullshit. If I actually believed in it I'd be even more disappointed.
Just to indulge it for a minute, what has Sanders, Clinton, etc proposed that will possibly benefit YOUR life on an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL level in a positive way as a black person living in America?
Not what effects "the group" but what actually affects YOU.
E.g., Not crime if your not a criminal....
E.g., Not jobs if your employed...
Based off what Bernie proposed:
Single payer health care system...as a person that's currently uninsured that would give me access to cheaper health coverage than I have right now
And raising the minimum wage to $15...as a person that works 2 jobs, one part time at $11/hr and one full time at $10/hr .. that would put waaaaaay more money in my pocket...probably even enough money to quit one of the jobs and go back to school in the evenings where I would have
Tuition free classes at a public university.
Sounds good. Except everybody would benefit from this including the niggers. Yet Bernie would make sure to give specific benefits to Jews, specific benefits to gays, Native Americans etc. What specific benefits will he make sure black people receive?
I mean it seems you're looking for the Black People Winning Act of 2017...and yeah that's not gonna happen...ever. It would make no sense for me to turn down getting some benefits because some white people would benefit from it too. Do I benefit? Yes? Would other Black people benefit? Then fuck who else benefits.
I'm sorry bro reparations are never coming. Ever. Never ever. If you're waiting to vote on the candidate that's promising reparations then you're never going to vote.
5th Letter;8801162 said:Stiff;8800938 said:5th Letter;8800715 said:Stiff;8800689 said:leftcoastkev;8800681 said:Good luck with this national political theatre bullshit. If I actually believed in it I'd be even more disappointed.
Just to indulge it for a minute, what has Sanders, Clinton, etc proposed that will possibly benefit YOUR life on an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL level in a positive way as a black person living in America?
Not what effects "the group" but what actually affects YOU.
E.g., Not crime if your not a criminal....
E.g., Not jobs if your employed...
Based off what Bernie proposed:
Single payer health care system...as a person that's currently uninsured that would give me access to cheaper health coverage than I have right now
And raising the minimum wage to $15...as a person that works 2 jobs, one part time at $11/hr and one full time at $10/hr .. that would put waaaaaay more money in my pocket...probably even enough money to quit one of the jobs and go back to school in the evenings where I would have
Tuition free classes at a public university.
Sounds good. Except everybody would benefit from this including the niggers. Yet Bernie would make sure to give specific benefits to Jews, specific benefits to gays, Native Americans etc. What specific benefits will he make sure black people receive?
I mean it seems you're looking for the Black People Winning Act of 2017...and yeah that's not gonna happen...ever. It would make no sense for me to turn down getting some benefits because some white people would benefit from it too. Do I benefit? Yes? Would other Black people benefit? Then fuck who else benefits.
I'm sorry bro reparations are never coming. Ever. Never ever. If you're waiting to vote on the candidate that's promising reparations then you're never going to vote.
Native Anericans gets reparations
Jews gets reparations
Gays gets laws changed in their favor
Latinos get benefits
Cool so I'll not vote for presidents and I'll stick to local voting since that actually impacts my life more than a presidential election.
Stiff;8801185 said:5th Letter;8801162 said:Stiff;8800938 said:5th Letter;8800715 said:Stiff;8800689 said:leftcoastkev;8800681 said:Good luck with this national political theatre bullshit. If I actually believed in it I'd be even more disappointed.
Just to indulge it for a minute, what has Sanders, Clinton, etc proposed that will possibly benefit YOUR life on an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL level in a positive way as a black person living in America?
Not what effects "the group" but what actually affects YOU.
E.g., Not crime if your not a criminal....
E.g., Not jobs if your employed...
Based off what Bernie proposed:
Single payer health care system...as a person that's currently uninsured that would give me access to cheaper health coverage than I have right now
And raising the minimum wage to $15...as a person that works 2 jobs, one part time at $11/hr and one full time at $10/hr .. that would put waaaaaay more money in my pocket...probably even enough money to quit one of the jobs and go back to school in the evenings where I would have
Tuition free classes at a public university.
Sounds good. Except everybody would benefit from this including the niggers. Yet Bernie would make sure to give specific benefits to Jews, specific benefits to gays, Native Americans etc. What specific benefits will he make sure black people receive?
I mean it seems you're looking for the Black People Winning Act of 2017...and yeah that's not gonna happen...ever. It would make no sense for me to turn down getting some benefits because some white people would benefit from it too. Do I benefit? Yes? Would other Black people benefit? Then fuck who else benefits.
I'm sorry bro reparations are never coming. Ever. Never ever. If you're waiting to vote on the candidate that's promising reparations then you're never going to vote.
Native Anericans gets reparations
Jews gets reparations
Gays gets laws changed in their favor
Latinos get benefits
Cool so I'll not vote for presidents and I'll stick to local voting since that actually impacts my life more than a presidential election.
Native Americans get fucked over habitually
Jews have klout and a state backing them in Israel
Gays have a strong political movement
I'm not sure what benefits you're referring to that Latinos get
Japanese Americans got reparations because Japan had a flourishing economy in the 80s and it behooved the US govt to make sure there were no hard feelings
Why should Black people get anything other than "out of the goodness of white people's hearts" ? Like what incentive does "The Establishment" have to give Black people anything? Black people exercise no power...and the few cards we have we squander supporting the Democratic party unconditionally without asking for anything in return. Why in the world would Black people get something especially for us? And I'm not talking about "deserve". I'm talking about what's in it for them giving us anything. That's not how the world works and never has.
You right about local elections though. But as I outlined there are certain issues that are in the discourse on a national level that effect me personally so I have reason to support who I'm supporting.
5th Letter;8801192 said:Stiff;8801185 said:5th Letter;8801162 said:Stiff;8800938 said:5th Letter;8800715 said:Stiff;8800689 said:leftcoastkev;8800681 said:Good luck with this national political theatre bullshit. If I actually believed in it I'd be even more disappointed.
Just to indulge it for a minute, what has Sanders, Clinton, etc proposed that will possibly benefit YOUR life on an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL level in a positive way as a black person living in America?
Not what effects "the group" but what actually affects YOU.
E.g., Not crime if your not a criminal....
E.g., Not jobs if your employed...
Based off what Bernie proposed:
Single payer health care system...as a person that's currently uninsured that would give me access to cheaper health coverage than I have right now
And raising the minimum wage to $15...as a person that works 2 jobs, one part time at $11/hr and one full time at $10/hr .. that would put waaaaaay more money in my pocket...probably even enough money to quit one of the jobs and go back to school in the evenings where I would have
Tuition free classes at a public university.
Sounds good. Except everybody would benefit from this including the niggers. Yet Bernie would make sure to give specific benefits to Jews, specific benefits to gays, Native Americans etc. What specific benefits will he make sure black people receive?
I mean it seems you're looking for the Black People Winning Act of 2017...and yeah that's not gonna happen...ever. It would make no sense for me to turn down getting some benefits because some white people would benefit from it too. Do I benefit? Yes? Would other Black people benefit? Then fuck who else benefits.
I'm sorry bro reparations are never coming. Ever. Never ever. If you're waiting to vote on the candidate that's promising reparations then you're never going to vote.
Native Anericans gets reparations
Jews gets reparations
Gays gets laws changed in their favor
Latinos get benefits
Cool so I'll not vote for presidents and I'll stick to local voting since that actually impacts my life more than a presidential election.
Native Americans get fucked over habitually
Jews have klout and a state backing them in Israel
Gays have a strong political movement
I'm not sure what benefits you're referring to that Latinos get
Japanese Americans got reparations because Japan had a flourishing economy in the 80s and it behooved the US govt to make sure there were no hard feelings
Why should Black people get anything other than "out of the goodness of white people's hearts" ? Like what incentive does "The Establishment" have to give Black people anything? Black people exercise no power...and the few cards we have we squander supporting the Democratic party unconditionally without asking for anything in return. Why in the world would Black people get something especially for us? And I'm not talking about "deserve". I'm talking about what's in it for them giving us anything. That's not how the world works and never has.
You right about local elections though. But as I outlined there are certain issues that are in the discourse on a national level that effect me personally so I have reason to support who I'm supporting.
Exactly, why vote for people who don't deem it necessary to do anything for black people. You said it doesn't benefit them and that's a point of view or angle I'm well aware of, my point being is if they are lobbying for our votes then we should be asking what will they do for us. If they can't do anything specific for us while they continually give other groups benefits then we should withhold our votes. That's my point.
Stiff;8801566 said:5th Letter;8801192 said:Stiff;8801185 said:5th Letter;8801162 said:Stiff;8800938 said:5th Letter;8800715 said:Stiff;8800689 said:leftcoastkev;8800681 said:Good luck with this national political theatre bullshit. If I actually believed in it I'd be even more disappointed.
Just to indulge it for a minute, what has Sanders, Clinton, etc proposed that will possibly benefit YOUR life on an INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL level in a positive way as a black person living in America?
Not what effects "the group" but what actually affects YOU.
E.g., Not crime if your not a criminal....
E.g., Not jobs if your employed...
Based off what Bernie proposed:
Single payer health care system...as a person that's currently uninsured that would give me access to cheaper health coverage than I have right now
And raising the minimum wage to $15...as a person that works 2 jobs, one part time at $11/hr and one full time at $10/hr .. that would put waaaaaay more money in my pocket...probably even enough money to quit one of the jobs and go back to school in the evenings where I would have
Tuition free classes at a public university.
Sounds good. Except everybody would benefit from this including the niggers. Yet Bernie would make sure to give specific benefits to Jews, specific benefits to gays, Native Americans etc. What specific benefits will he make sure black people receive?
I mean it seems you're looking for the Black People Winning Act of 2017...and yeah that's not gonna happen...ever. It would make no sense for me to turn down getting some benefits because some white people would benefit from it too. Do I benefit? Yes? Would other Black people benefit? Then fuck who else benefits.
I'm sorry bro reparations are never coming. Ever. Never ever. If you're waiting to vote on the candidate that's promising reparations then you're never going to vote.
Native Anericans gets reparations
Jews gets reparations
Gays gets laws changed in their favor
Latinos get benefits
Cool so I'll not vote for presidents and I'll stick to local voting since that actually impacts my life more than a presidential election.
Native Americans get fucked over habitually
Jews have klout and a state backing them in Israel
Gays have a strong political movement
I'm not sure what benefits you're referring to that Latinos get
Japanese Americans got reparations because Japan had a flourishing economy in the 80s and it behooved the US govt to make sure there were no hard feelings
Why should Black people get anything other than "out of the goodness of white people's hearts" ? Like what incentive does "The Establishment" have to give Black people anything? Black people exercise no power...and the few cards we have we squander supporting the Democratic party unconditionally without asking for anything in return. Why in the world would Black people get something especially for us? And I'm not talking about "deserve". I'm talking about what's in it for them giving us anything. That's not how the world works and never has.
You right about local elections though. But as I outlined there are certain issues that are in the discourse on a national level that effect me personally so I have reason to support who I'm supporting.
Exactly, why vote for people who don't deem it necessary to do anything for black people. You said it doesn't benefit them and that's a point of view or angle I'm well aware of, my point being is if they are lobbying for our votes then we should be asking what will they do for us. If they can't do anything specific for us while they continually give other groups benefits then we should withhold our votes. That's my point.
Fair point and I'm partially in agreement with you, but again Bernie Sanders has proposals that would benefit me directly so i felt compelled to support him. Hillary not so much which is why I dont intend to vote for her.