This just goes to show how ignorant whites really are when it comes to the struggle.

[playmaker88]

Smh @ and niggas goin so far left...(non political) think they got shit all figured out.. and deserve to be patted on tha back.. for there "different" views.. FOH..

 

[Sh0t]

McCain is dumb as a brick. So is Palin. But ideologically, they are on slightly different sides, Palin's is slighty better.

Obama is about average, so is Bachmann, but they are on radically different sides ideologically, with Bachmann being much better(financially at least).

Between the three congressman above(former in Obama's case), Bachmann has the better voting record by far. Especially with regards to the US's financial situation. Far from perfect, not in the same league as a Ron Paul.

Your a white man in a black body.

I'm a libertarian in a black body. Most whites have bad politics, including the 3.5 mentioned above.

 

[John Prewett]

.......................

Why are you defending her faults? Here's the issue here john.

She's an elected official misleading the public. Is that not a problem enough? ................

She ""called slavery an "evil" and "scourge" and "stain on our history."" ,......

If the founding fathers had fiat declared slavery illegal in 1776,

then independence from Britain could not have come about in 1776.

Nor would legal slavery have ended due to a 1776 fiat declaration.

We can only speculate at when independence might have come about later.

Before whites could even begin serious debate regarding freeing black slaves,

whites had to free themself from their old world masters.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator

with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

It took took much debate,

[ which in hindsight seems terrible to ignoramuses who judge people of other eras by their modern sensibilities]

but the founding fathers planted seed that grew into ending legal slavery.

After the dust settled, slaves, became legally fully equal citizens of the USA.

After the dust settled, slaves were acknowledged to be men and women - fully human.

Some appreciation should be rendered to those contended

" all men are created equal, ... endowed by CREATOR with ... Rights"

back when that was a highly debated novel notion.

And appreciation to Christ who had no involuntary temporal slaves

and who taught "love one another" [without regard to color]

and whose "good Samaritan" story helped greatly to create whatever racial harmony we do have.

You can't build the roof till after you finish the foundation.

Now if we could just end slavery to the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

 

[John Prewett]

Actually i don't know any nor do i see any outside of 42nd street. I also don't any girls that were kidnapped and forced to be sex slaves. Some girls told me they thought about doing it for the money. But I'm sure your stereotypical mind would think that to be the case. You may live in Rural Thailand but slavery exist in Thailand non the less. You would ignore the white pimps in porn and the white pimps in Vegas and all the shit that goes down in your sacred community though wouldn't you. But non of that was the issue here. You seem intent on deriding our culture. I haven't heard one positive thing from you yet.

You started with the sladerous insinuations. I can take it and I can dish it out.

I have no problem acknowledging wickedness among whites.

However, when someone slams whites [or Americans] as if they have the francise on wickedness,

then I will remind them that wickedness is rampant in all races/cultures/nations.

I contend intrinsic moral equality. [or immoral equality if you like]

I cheerfully argue against anyone claiming or even insinuatiing that one race is morally superior to another.

Or that one gender is superior.

We are all human and "made in image of God" and "all have sinned"

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You started with the sladerous insinuations. I can take it and I can dish it out.

I have no problem acknowledging wickedness among whites.

However, when someone slams whites [or Americans] as if they have the francise on wickedness,
then I will remind them that wickedness is rampant in all races/cultures/nations.

I contend intrinsic moral equality. [or immoral equality if you like]
I cheerfully argue against anyone claiming or even insinuatiing that one race is morally superior to another.
Or that one gender is superior.
We are all human and "made in image of God" and "all have sinned"

You mentioned slavery in Sudan which had nothing to do with the topic when i was talking about a women who happens to be an elected official misleading people with her revisionist history. I also showed you the current events of the Sudan while you glossed over them. So since you wanted to come with unrelated topics, i shot back. What you do is react to anybody who attempts to illuminate misdeeds of white people that were perpetrated on blacks, and you throw around quotes of random acts by us that hold no water and have nothing to do with the issue of institutionalized racism and denial.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

She ""called slavery an "evil" and "scourge" and "stain on our history."" ,......

If the founding fathers had fiat declared slavery illegal in 1776,
then independence from Britain could not have come about in 1776.

Nor would legal slavery have ended due to a 1776 fiat declaration.
We can only speculate at when independence might have come about later.

Before whites could even begin serious debate regarding freeing black slaves,
whites had to free themself from their old world masters.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

It took took much debate,

[ which in hindsight seems terrible to ignoramuses who judge people of other eras by their modern sensibilities]

but the founding fathers planted seed that grew into ending legal slavery.

After the dust settled, slaves, became legally fully equal citizens of the USA.
After the dust settled, slaves were acknowledged to be men and women - fully human.

Some appreciation should be rendered to those contended
" all men are created equal, ... endowed by CREATOR with ... Rights"
back when that was a highly debated novel notion.

And appreciation to Christ who had no involuntary temporal slaves
and who taught "love one another" [without regard to color]
and whose "good Samaritan" story helped greatly to create whatever racial harmony we do have.

You can't build the roof till after you finish the foundation.
Now if we could just end slavery to the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

She made that statement to buffer her following statements as if no one would see her revisionist comments. It's not hard to see that people like her are slick with how they phrase their words. But not slick enough.

Yeah i get your idea about building houses and all that bullshit but that doesn't change the fact that the founding fathers held slaves while creating the deceleration of independence and the constitution. Modern sensibilities have nothing to do with the fact that too many wanted to keep slaves when there was plenty arguing against the sensibilities of slavery besides the founding fathers for centuries proceeding. How slavery could exist during the time of enlightenment baffles me.

Your if statements hold no weight because it so happens that they did not free the slaves and you don't know what would have happened if they did with your selective history. There could have been the factor that slaves would have joined their cause. Also, this did not change the fact that the country had a civil war regardless over their various positions not limited to but including slavery. I don't subscribe to your theist beliefs so that's neither here nor there.

The dust didn't settle until over 200 years later and there is still residue. There was no debate, there was a war. The only reason it ended in the north is because they didn't need us anymore with their business focus placed elsewhere. It took an amendment to the constitution to include us post freedom. The only founding father that was enlightened enough to stand against slavery was Benjamin Franklin.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm a libertarian in a black body. Most whites have bad politics, including the 3.5 mentioned above.

Same difference, especially when you defend the indefensible against the history of your own people. Libertarians created the tea party (that are full of white supremacist and a few sprinkles of black pepper) and they want individual state rule. They want states to be able in enact draconian laws. You continue to beat that drum white man.

 

[John Prewett]

Wanna be miserable, ...stay pissed at God about what you aint got it.

Wanna be happy, ...... thank God what you have got.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Wanna be miserable, ...stay pissed at God about what you aint got it.
Wanna be happy, ...... thank God what you have got.

I can't be pissed at what i don't believe in. I never did. I can be pissed at myself for failing at something or when i've made a bad decision.

 

[John Prewett]

What you do is react to anybody who attempts to illuminate misdeeds

of white people that were perpetrated on blacks,

and you throw around quotes of random acts by us that hold no water

and have nothing to do with the issue of institutionalized racism and denial.

Funny how McCall's book was brought to my attention about the same time as chancing upon this forum.

I'm only about a quarter way through it, ......

By all means continue to "illuminate misdeeds of white people that were perpetrated on blacks",

and from time to time

I may react by illuminating widespread misdeeds of black people that were and are perpetrated on whites.

[and on some blacks who try to "act white" by doing "white things" like studying in school]

By all means tell us of the "institutional" racism that now exist in USA.

Somehow I don't think you are referring to the antiwhite institutional racism

of "affirmative action" and "minority set asides" and quotas and all that.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Funny how McCall's book was brought to my attention about the same time as chancing upon this forum.
I'm only about a quarter way through it, ......

By all means continue to "illuminate misdeeds of white people that were perpetrated on blacks",
and from time to time
I may react by illuminating widespread misdeeds of black people that were and are perpetrated on whites.
[and on some blacks who try to "act white" by doing "white things" like studying in school]

By all means tell us of the "institutional" racism that now exist in USA.

Somehow I don't think you are referring to the antiwhite institutional racism
of "affirmative action" and "minority set asides" and quotas and all that.

Black people didn't create affirmative action. That's your white guilt at play. I also don't know anyone personal that benefited from affirmative action or white set asides (what ever the fuck that is) being that most are still struggling and working hard in whatever job they can get. But i see your reverse racism card playing.. That person that i outed for being white is so not because of education but because of his stances against his black culture with support of white racist revisionist. I a degree in networking john and I'm going for my BA in CS. I'm sure you think that generally, all black people are uneducated, don't you.

That one passage out of that one book does not indicate widespread misdeeds against whites. It also pales in comparison to the widespread slavery and systematic racism that led to those kids in that book reacting in that way. I don't condone their actions though as your doing here today with Bachmann.

If you want to illuminate our misdeeds, make a topic and see how far that goes with honest debate. Be sure to include the factors of history and inherited psychological effects also. With that, be sure to include the systematic destruction of our communities and organizations.

 

[John Prewett]

I can't be pissed at what i don't believe in. I never did.

I can be pissed at myself for failing at something or when i've made a bad decision.

I'm only about a quarter through McCall's book,... at this point he and many of his [financially middle class] teenage friends seeth with anger [especially angry at whites in general]

and one major reason they are so angry is cause [he may well be a changed man by now, or by the end of the book] they have no appreciation for what they do have

[which is common attitude in all races,.... especially common among the young].

Nor did it matter to them that many whites were more financially poor than they were.

Even if one doesn''t believe in traditional "God", one helps ones own state of mind by reminding oneself of the good things one does have.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm only about a quarter through McCall's book,... at this point he and many of his [financially middle class] teenage friends seeth with anger [especially angry at whites in general]
and one major reason they are so angry is cause [he may well be a changed man by now, or by the end of the book] they have no appreciation for what they do have
[which is common attitude in all races,.... especially common among the young].
Nor did it matter to them that many whites were more financially poor than they were.

Even if one doesn''t believe in traditional "God", one helps ones own state of mind by reminding oneself of the good things one does have.

All of this is irrelevant to the statement that you put in quotes. Thanks for playing though.

Also the topic isn't about our concept of God or being happy. It's about a US congressmen revising history.

 

[John Prewett]

Black people didn't create affirmative action.

Agreed.

That's your white guilt at play.

Some whites may have felt "guilty." Whites generally came to believe legal discrimination against blacks was wrong.

Most whites supported EQUAL treatment before the law.

Most whites NEVER felt "guilty." Most whites agreed with a famous American who proclaimed

that one should be judged by the "content of ones character, not the color of ones skin."

But i see your reverse racism card playing..

That person that i outed for being white is so not because of education

but because of his stances against his black culture with support of white racist revisionist.

I a degree in networking john and I'm going for my BA in CS.

I wasn't referring to your interaction with Shot.

I was still thinking of revelations from the McCall book.

I'm sure you thing all black people are uneducated though, don't you.

No. You had no grounds to be "sure" of that.

That one passage out of that one book does not indicated widespread misdeeds against whites.

It also pales in comparison to the widespread slavery and systematic racism

that led to those kids in that book reacting in that way.

I don't condone their actions though as your doing here today with Bachmann.

Her disagreeing with you about the thinking of the founding fathers pales in comparison

to gangs of teenage thugs attacking white boys just cause they were white.

Regarding STREET LEVEL, personal contact crime, you are currently in denial

of the far greater instance of black on white than the other way around.

And it's been that way for DECADES,....

McCalls book reveals the early stages of and the mentality of the blacks

causing the black on white crime statistical disparity.

[now if you want to discuss "white collar" crime,... then fine,... whites commit most of that]

Presently Detroit woman in jail cause she was desparate to have her two daughters NOT attend their local school.

Think she was fearful of bad azz white trash honkey crackers hurting her daughters at the local school ?

 

[John Prewett]

All of this is irrelevant to the statement that you put in quotes. Thanks for playing though.

Also the topic isn't about our concept of God or being happy. It's about a US congressmen revising history.

My post #32 was not addressed to you. But thanks for playing.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

My post #32 was not addressed to you. But thanks for playing.

How wasn't it when you mentioned god and i said i don't believe.. And you quoted me and that is what i mentioned.

 

[John Prewett]

How wasn't it when you mentioned god and i said i don't believe.. And you quoted me and that is what i mentioned.

# 32 was not addressed [to anyone].

# 36 was addressed to you. [due to your # 33]

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Agreed.

Some whites may have felt "guilty." Whites generally came to believe legal discrimination against blacks was wrong.
Most whites supported EQUAL treatment before the law.
Most whites NEVER felt "guilty." Most whites agreed with a famous American who proclaimed
that one should be judged by the "content of ones character, not the color of ones skin."

That statement was made while black leaders were being assassinated while attempting to gain civil rights. There was also the case of Jim Crow that created unequal treatment and the general treatment of blacks from the south all the way to the north.

I wasn't referring to your interaction with Shot.
I was still thinking of revelations from the McCall book.

Ok, i'll let you pass on that but it did seem like that was the case. You are right about certain blacks thinking education is for the birds. That comes from jealousy which is a trait of all cultures. It's the nerd vs jock factor. It is the Tea Party that is attacking those with intelligence in this day and age. Many young blacks are not attending college rather then holding on to hoop or rap dreams. But nothing is general amongst a people.

No. You had no grounds to be "sure" of that.

The grounds were generated from the last statement which you clarified.

Her disagreeing with you about the thinking of the founding fathers pales in comparison
to gangs of teenage thugs attacking white boys just cause they were white.

She said that they eradicated slavery which is a blatant falsehood. She also said all whites were equal which you should raise an eyebrow at also. she used all of this to support an argument that is already at odds with logical thinking. I don't recall her mentioning gangs of rabid ******s raping white women mel. But i guess that's what happens huh?

Regarding STREET LEVEL, personal contact crime, you are currently in denial
of the far greater instance of black on white than the other way around.
And it's been that way for DECADES,....
McCalls book reveals the early stages of and the mentality of the blacks
causing the black on white crime statistical disparity.

[now if you want to discuss "white collar" crime,... then fine,... whites commit most of that]

Sorry bank robbery, Arson, Extortion, Meth Dealing, terrorist acts, acts of vandalism, assault after bar fights, mass murder, assassinations and serial killing are all white collar? Of course the crimes we commit destroy financial systems right?

Don't mention statics with out posting a link. You also mention the mentality of blacks as if that is the mentality of all blacks. Then this is the fact that this is only one case that you continue to harp on without reviewing the factors of what mad people in the community act that way towards whites. White people created these devisions and generated the segregation and mistrust and anger. You can take his word for it though. still i condone non of that.

Presently Detroit woman in jail cause she was desparate to have her two daughters NOT attend their local school.
Think she was fearful of bad azz white trash honkey crackers hurting her daughters at the local school ?

Yeah our community has problems that we need to work on. Gangs came about from a racist atmosphere of poverty though so it's still with us.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

# 32 was not addressed [to anyone].

# 36 was addressed to you. [due to your # 33]

Does it matter? I responded to something that was posted in this topic. You gotta problem with that?

 

[John Prewett]

Does it matter? I responded to something that was posted in this topic. You gotta problem with that?

No problem at all. Certainly you are free to respond to any post,... even if it is just my off topic musing and not addressed to anyone in particular.

Are you about 22 years old ?