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Could Jesus have been a vegetarian? According to some research it appears that the use of the word fish in the New Testament might actually have been mistranslated from the Greek word fish weed?

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beenwize;4672040 said:
Could Jesus have been a vegetarian? According to some research it appears that the use of the word fish in the New Testament might actually have been mistranslated from the Greek word fish weed?

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the essene connection makes it seem so. the essenes were real health conscious guys...enemas and all that.
 
Even this article says that the Ebionites rejected animal sacrifices to a god and acknowledges false scriptures in the Old Testament. I do the same thing and get called a demon. I believe in the God that Christ revealed and I know that when I read certain scriptures throughout the Old Testament that they don't match characteristics of the god Christ revealed which is why I believe the Bible was altered over time and at the Council of Nicea. The true god is good not the corruption that was inserted in the Bible of a vengeful, wrathful, angry war god.

The Ebionites were a group in the early Christian church which was "Jewish Christian" in orientation, claiming to be the descendants of the original church, observing the Jewish law as they interpreted it but also following Jesus. All of the sources specifically mentioned above agree that the Ebionites denied the divinity of Jesus and accepted the Jewish law

According to Epiphanius, they rejected orthodox Christian beliefs about the divinity of Jesus, were vegetarians, opposed animal sacrifice, and rejected certain texts in the Jewish scriptures (most especially, those pertaining to animal sacrifice). They were loyal to the Mosaic law, but had an idiosyncratic view of that law. They called themselves Ebionites (based on ebionim, "the poor") because, they said, at the time of the apostles they gave all their possessions to the early church (Acts 4:32-35). The Ebionites claimed to have the biological relatives of Jesus among their own number, described by ancient writers as the "desposynoi" ("those who belong to the master").

Epiphanius describes a group which holds views remarkably similar to those in the Recognitions and Homilies. They accepted Jesus as the "true prophet," believe that Christ was in Adam, in the virtue of poverty, reject animal sacrifices, reject the false texts in the (Old Testament) scripture, are vegetarians, and practice daily baptism. Epiphanius says that the "false texts" that the Ebionites reject have to do with commands to offer animal sacrifice; the Homilies go on to describe a number of other passages considered unworthy of God, such as those the Ebionites considered to be questioning God’s omnipotence, knowledge, love, peaceful nature, and righteousness. Epiphanius quotes their gospel as ascribing the words to Jesus, "I have come to destroy the sacrifices" (Panarion 30.16.5), and as ascribing to Jesus rejection of the Passover meat (Panarion 30.22.4), analogous to numerous passages found in the Recognitions and Homilies (e.g. Recognitions 1.36, 1.54, Homilies 3.45, 7.4, 7.8).

They existed just outside of Judea, in Galilee and present-day Syria and Jordan (the Decapolis, Gaulanitis, Perea, and Nabatea, and nearby regions). The exact origin of the Ebionites is debated, but those who held views characteristic of the Ebionites existed in the first century. The Ebionites originated no later than the second century (when they are mentioned by Ireneaus) and continued to exist at least down through the late fourth century (when Epiphanius describes conversations he had with them), and probably continued into the fifth century and perhaps beyond. There are no known modern groups which are direct lineal descendants of the ancient Ebionites.

 
In the Gospel of the Holy Twelve it is said that the true god did not command animal sacrifices. It also teaches a vegetarian lifestyle.

Lection XXXIII

By The Shedding Of Blood

Of Others Is No Remission Of Sins

1. JESUS was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take away sin?

2. And Jesus answered: No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.

3. The priests indeed receive such offering as a reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.

4. Is it not written in the prophets, Put your blood sacrifices to your burnt offerings, and away with them, and cease ye from the eating of flesh, for I spake not to your fathers nor commanded them, when I brought them out of Egypt, concerning these things? But this thing I commanded saying:

5, Obey my voice and walk in the ways that I have commanded you, and ye shall be my people, and it shall be well with you. But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear.

6. And what doth the Eternal command you but to do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with your God? Is it not written that in the beginning God ordained the fruits of the trees and the seeds and the herbs to be food for all flesh?

7. But they have made the House of Prayer a den of thieves, and for the pure Oblation with Incense, they have polluted my altars with blood, and eaten of the flesh of the slain.

8. But I say unto you: Shed no innocent blood nor eat ye flesh. Walk uprightly, love mercy, and do justly, and your days shall be long in the land.

9. The corn that groweth from the earth with the other grain, is it not transmuted by the Spirit into my flesh? The grapes of the vineyard, with the other fruits are they not transmuted by the Spirit into my blood? Let these, with your bodies and souls be your Memorial to the Eternal.

10. In these is the presence of God manifest as the Substance and as the Life of the world. Of these shall ye eat and drink for the remission of sins, and for eternal life, to all who obey my words.

6. AND as Jesus was going with some of his disciples he met with a certain man who trained dogs to hunt other creatures. And he said to the man, Why doest thou thus? and the man said, By this I live and what profit is there to any in these creatures? these creatures are weak, but the dogs they are strong. And Jesus said, Thou lackest wisdom and love. Lo, every creature which God hath made hath its end, and purpose, and who can say what good is there in it? or what profit to thyself, or mankind?

7. And, for thy living, behold the fields yielding their increase, and the fruit-bearing trees and the herbs; what needest thou more than these which honest work of thy hands will not give to thee? Woe to the strong who misuse their strength, Woe to the hunters for they shall be hunted.

8. And the man marvelled, and left off training the dogs to hunt, and taught them to save life rather than destroy, And he learned of the doctrines of Jesus and became his disciple.

 
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1. AND some of his disciples came and told him of a certain Egyptian, a son of Belial, who taught that it was lawful to torment animals, if their sufferings brought any profit to men.

2. And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, they who partake of benefits which are gotten by wronging one of God's creatures, cannot be righteous: nor can they touch holy things, or teach the mysteries of the kingdom, whose hands are stained With blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh.

3. God giveth the grains and the fruits of the earth for food: and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body.

4. The robber who breaketh into the house made by man is guilty, but they who break into the house made by God, even of the least of these are the greater sinners. Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone.

5. But if any animal suffer greatly, and if its life be a misery unto it. or if it be dangerous to you, release it from its life quickly, and with as little pain as you can, Send it forth in love and mercy, but torment it not, and God the Father-Mother will shew mercy unto you, as ye have shown mercy unto those given into your hands
 
"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak they will withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healings in it's wings." Jesus, The Essence Gospel of Peace

"All who desire to be my disciple LET NO FLESH MEAT ENTER YOUR MOUTHS" (Lection 38, Gospel of the Holy Twelve)
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"Judas had brought the lamb, but Jesus had forbidden that it be killed. And Iscariot said unto him, 'Master, behold the unleaven bread, the mingled wine and the oil and the herbs, but where is the lamb that Moses commanded?

"Verily I say unto you, for this end have I come into the world, that I may put away all blood offerings and the eating of the flesh of the beast and the birds that are slain by men"

Jesus The Last Supper, Lection 75

The Gospel of the Holy 12
 
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

 
beenwize;4726446 said:
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

no i observe the greater law written in the thread title....nigga stop trolling
 
judahxulu;4726469 said:
beenwize;4726446 said:
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

no i observe the greater law written in the thread title....nigga stop trolling

I'm asking a valid question since you say you follow the Old Testament laws.. You want to claim that your scripture teaches for humans to be vegetarian yet during Passover they are instructed to eat lamb flesh.

 
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beenwize;4726477 said:
judahxulu;4726469 said:
beenwize;4726446 said:
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

no i observe the greater law written in the thread title....nigga stop trolling

I'm asking a valid question since you say you follow the Old Testament laws.. You want to claim that your scripture teaches for humans to be vegetarian yet during Passover they are instructed to eat lamb flesh.

Everything after Eden is imperfect. You dont understand the nature of the law. Its all simlitudes and metaphors embedded within the symbolism and a specific cultural context to each symbol. you reading it wrong.
 
jer 7:22-23 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. "But this is what I commanded them, saying, 'Obey My voice, and I will be your Elohim, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you

 
judahxulu;4726590 said:
beenwize;4726477 said:
judahxulu;4726469 said:
beenwize;4726446 said:
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

no i observe the greater law written in the thread title....nigga stop trolling

I'm asking a valid question since you say you follow the Old Testament laws.. You want to claim that your scripture teaches for humans to be vegetarian yet during Passover they are instructed to eat lamb flesh.

Everything after Eden is imperfect. You dont understand the nature of the law. Its all simlitudes and metaphors embedded within the symbolism and a specific cultural context to each symbol. you reading it wrong.

So are you saying that your god is imperfect after eden? He is the one instructing the ppl to roast and eat lamb flesh.
 
beenwize;4726752 said:
judahxulu;4726590 said:
beenwize;4726477 said:
judahxulu;4726469 said:
beenwize;4726446 said:
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

no i observe the greater law written in the thread title....nigga stop trolling

I'm asking a valid question since you say you follow the Old Testament laws.. You want to claim that your scripture teaches for humans to be vegetarian yet during Passover they are instructed to eat lamb flesh.

Everything after Eden is imperfect. You dont understand the nature of the law. Its all simlitudes and metaphors embedded within the symbolism and a specific cultural context to each symbol. you reading it wrong.

So are you saying that your god is imperfect after eden? He is the one instructing the ppl to roast and eat lamb flesh.

Thats Moses via Aaron who was already shown to have been pliable to the peoples desire to be like the nations around them. The first law was destroyed. Luchot haeedot. You need to re-read objectively. its hard to have this conversation when its obvious u just cherry picking shit to go with your whole gnostic role as opposed to actually have done a thorough analysis on what you choose to speak on. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
 
judahxulu;4726780 said:
beenwize;4726752 said:
judahxulu;4726590 said:
beenwize;4726477 said:
judahxulu;4726469 said:
beenwize;4726446 said:
So judahxulu are you eating roasted sheep brains and flesh for Passover?

Exodus 12:3-10

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.

10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

no i observe the greater law written in the thread title....nigga stop trolling

I'm asking a valid question since you say you follow the Old Testament laws.. You want to claim that your scripture teaches for humans to be vegetarian yet during Passover they are instructed to eat lamb flesh.

Everything after Eden is imperfect. You dont understand the nature of the law. Its all simlitudes and metaphors embedded within the symbolism and a specific cultural context to each symbol. you reading it wrong.

So are you saying that your god is imperfect after eden? He is the one instructing the ppl to roast and eat lamb flesh.

Thats Moses via Aaron who was already shown to have been pliable to the peoples desire to be like the nations around them. The first law was destroyed. Luchot haeedot. You need to re-read objectively. its hard to have this conversation when its obvious u just cherry picking shit to go with your whole gnostic role as opposed to actually have done a thorough analysis on what you choose to speak on. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

it's not my problem that the Bible shows many of the same things spoken in the Gnostic scriptures about their being one true god and a false god.

 

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