The So-Called New Testament: By What Authority?

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And Paul is their Christian god...I challenge any of them to find one place ANYWHERE in the Bible where ANYBODY but Paul used the word Christian.

I will give $500 dollars via PayPal to any Christian that can cite where Yeshua proclaimed the establishment of a new religion.

....matter of fact, $1000 to the first man that shows me where the word "religion" is mentioned in the Old Testament.

These chuckleheads can't see me and obviously cant see the words written in the book they lie about following.

1. "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Acts 11:26

"Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian." Acts 26:28

Luke wrote Acts.

2. When Jesus was talking to Nicodemus, a devout pharisee, He proclaimed to him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)
Nicodemus had no clue what Jesus was talking about and thus replied, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" (John 3:4)
Jesus replied to Nicodemus inquiry by stating, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

3. The word religion is in the OT depending on what translation you use. But it is not in the KJV.

 

[konceptjones]

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." 2 Peter 2:1-2

The word of God clearly marks out false prophets. Jesus Christ said by their fruits we shall know His disciples. The proof is in the pudding. Satan and his cohorts are hard at work now, because he knows his time is getting shorter and shorter. The Lord rebuke you satan!

precisely... yet you still choose to follow the snake's teachings. Saul of Tarsus corrupted that which was good, we see it in his works: the merchants are back in the church and the church is now a source of material wealth for its leaders. The leaders rape children, buy prostitutes, are drunkards before God. Hell... I was at a topless, adult oriented resort in Cancun (i.e. naked "sexy" games and free flowing alcohol) in May of '07. One of the groups of black folks there was a pastor from NYC, his wife, and his parents... His father was also the pastor of a church. Both wife's titties out on display, the younger pastor was in the beer drinking contest, they all participated in the lingerie and sexy pj's contest... And these are supposedly people of God.

yeah. I'm pretty content with the knowledge I have. I choose to see things as they are, you're content to see them as you want them to be.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

darn it you stole my lines...lol...that I was going to use as an addendum to my remarks above here

...nice post

Wait, I'm convinced you don't even read what people put. In the other topic you're criticizing me for putting all weight in Jesus' words and questioning the veracity of Paul's teachings.

In this topic, you're cosigning the post of someone who is accusing Paul of distorting the religion and setting up a faith in Jesus' name that distorts Jesus' message. Make up your mind where you stand.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

precisely... yet you still choose to follow the snake's teachings. Saul of Tarsus corrupted that which was good, we see it in his works: the merchants are back in the church and the church is now a source of material wealth for its leaders. The leaders rape children, buy prostitutes, are drunkards before God. Hell... I was at a topless, adult oriented resort in Cancun (i.e. naked "sexy" games and free flowing alcohol) in May of '07. One of the groups of black folks there was a pastor from NYC, his wife, and his parents... His father was also the pastor of a church. Both wife's titties out on display, the younger pastor was in the beer drinking contest, they all participated in the lingerie and sexy pj's contest... And these are supposedly people of God.

yeah. I'm pretty content with the knowledge I have. I choose to see things as they are, you're content to see them as you want them to be.

You believe what you believe my brother. I will believe God because "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." (Proverbs 30:5) The last days will be filled with deception. And whats going on in here is no surprise. Satan is doing what he has always done, getting people to discredit and not believe the word of God. The old snake, called the devil and satan is the one who deceives the whole world. But I see his tricks, because I am not ignorant of his devices. All i can do is stand on the solid rock of Jesus Christ. And when the winds blow and the seas roar, my house will still be standing because it was built upon the rock. How bout you?

 

[judahxulu]

]I'd rather not use my energy to try and interpret all the implications being made in this thread. And thus, i really don't know what's going on in here. [/B]
Then why comment if you refuse to look for yourself with an objective mind? Everything I say is verifiable.
I saw this posted though:

An unjustified casting of doubt on one of the chosen Apostles of God. To what cause? Where's the proof?

Wheres the proof Paul is a chosen apostle besides his own CONTRADICTORY Damascus account? The proof he is not chosen is shown all throughout this thread by his own words.

Furthermore didnt Yeshua say this:

John 10:27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

and

Matt. 15:24- But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

So why is Paul saying follow him and making a specific message for a specific people universal?

1 Cor. 4:16- Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

And to the Title of the thread - 'The So-Called New Testament: By What Authority' - well, God Himself stated long ago : ""Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah - not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more" (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

^The Hebrews writer comments on this for a good 3 chapters

Nice try...That has nothing to do with the New TESTAMENT. And a new covenant does not nullify previous ones. did the covenant YHWH made with David nullify the one he made with Abraham? Ok then...

You like OT prophecy huh? Hows about this one:

Isa. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

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John 7:16-18
Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Dont act like you dont see what Im talking about....

 

[judahxulu]

1. "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Acts 11:26

"Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian." Acts 26:28

Luke wrote Acts.

2. When Jesus was talking to Nicodemus, a devout pharisee, He proclaimed to him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

Nicodemus had no clue what Jesus was talking about and thus replied, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" (John 3:4)

Jesus replied to Nicodemus inquiry by stating, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

3. The word religion is in the OT depending on what translation you use. But it is not in the KJV.

It is not proven that Luke was the author. The main evidence pointing against it is the differences in references to Theophilus. One held him in a position of esteem and authority (Luke) and the other held him as a peer (Acts). Either way it lends evidence of corruption and apostacy as Theophilu was the ROMAN appointed High Priest of israel. Would Yeshua approve of holding him in high esteem or regarding him as a brother?

Come on son....

 

[The Lonious Monk]

My mind is already made up. I thought you could tell.

My mind is made up that you are EXACTLY who the bible warned us of, centuries ago.

Either that or you or gleefully apart of those who fall for the tricks of The Devil, who the bible warned us of. You fall for false teachings, then get mad at others/name-call those who refuse to join you. You gleefully distort scripture, then admonish those who won't assist you.

Paul's teachings are pure, and virtuous. It uplifts the virgin, it uplifts those who put worshiping God and seeking Righteousness, first. It promotes living life, Christ-like, especially regarding that marriage ordeal that I created the thread about.

Seriously, man you make no sense. Everything I've said has been backed by the Bible and the words of Jesus himself. How am I falling for false teachings. Are you saying that Jesus' words are false? Those are the only teachings I abide by. I haven't distorted scripture. I've presented it just as it is. But I'm done with debating with you. You choose to distort what I put and accuse me of name calling and such while hypocritically accusing me of being a tool of the devil and a false prophet. So we'll have to disagree. I'll follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. You follow the teachings of Paul. God willing, he'll bless us both with the understanding we need to find the truth.

 

[judahxulu]

Where are the facts??? All I see is sideways name calling, theorizing and spouting empty rhetoric on behalf of the Pauline apostates. You all know you seen all those contradictions laid out plain as day. You follow Paul not the Most High.

 

[konceptjones]

You believe what you believe my brother. I will believe God because "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." (Proverbs 30:5) The last days will be filled with deception. And whats going on in here is no surprise. Satan is doing what he has always done, getting people to discredit and not believe the word of God. The old snake, called the devil and satan is the one who deceives the whole world. But I see his tricks, because I am not ignorant of his devices. All i can do is stand on the solid rock of Jesus Christ. And when the winds blow and the seas roar, my house will still be standing because it was built upon the rock. How bout you?

but Saul's words were not of the divine... and we know this to be the truth. That you shield your brain from this basic truth lets me know just how ignorant you truly are to his devices because you play right into them.

Yeshua (PBUH) said:

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

Yeshua(PBUH) preached a doctrine while alive. Saul created a false doctrine and claimed it to be divinely inspired. The fruits of that false doctrine, which you so happily follow, are easy to see. Even you, personally... you that exposes yourself in your avatar, showing no shame or humility is a testament to this.

 

[kids in america_]

First of all, lets take a cue from the so-called OT..

Mal. 3:6-7 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept [them]. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

Hmmm....So who created the "new" testament?

Approx. ACE Event / Document

30 Crucifixion (Ascension) of Jesus

50 First Epistle of Paul

62 Last Epistle of Paul

65-70 Mark’s Gospel

70 Epistle to Hebrews (The Epistle to the Hebrews is not listed in the 6th century list of the manuscripts called Codex Claromon. This leads to the suspicion that it could have been written at a later date)

80 Luke’s Gospel

85-90 Matthew’s Gospel

90 Acts

90-100 John’s Gospel and First Epistle

95-100 Revelation

100 I & II Timothy and Titus6

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So we have two key points established:

1) prophecy does not support the radical transition of what or who the Most High is that apparently took place between Malachi and Mark

2) the Gospels were shaped by the writings and influence of Paul; not the other way around.

According to the "Gospel of Matthew" Jesus initiated the New Covenant/Testament: Matthew 26:28 KJV: “For this is my blood of the new testament [GK. diathēkē], which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

 

[The True Flesh]

I'm not going to get into the thing about Paul being a false prophet because like DOU.......referenced:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 7:15-18

Every mans fruits speak for them and right now the threadstarter is the one that seems to be bringing fourth questionable fruit.

As far as questioning the authority of The New testament as a whole.......SMH.

Since you want to throw The New Testament under the bus and alledge that it doesn't correspond with The Old testament.......

.......I'm gonna take my time and murk this thread slowly.

PEACE