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whar67;1437422 said:Chike That information is stunningly inaccurate.
According to?
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Conflict210;1437832 said:I always thought if there were a resistance or not...now i know
Me too. I found it hard to believe that Nat Turner was the only one....
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ThaChozenWun
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whar67;1437422 said:Chike That information is stunningly inaccurate.
Chike likes to learn from youtube videos.
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Gullah were people brought to the US from the Angola region of Africa. They were primarily enslaved in the Coastal regions of the Carolinas and Georgia. At the advent of the US Civil War the Sea Island were abandoned by the white inhabitants for fear of a Naval invasion. Left to determine their own fate the Gullah return to their cultural roots from Africa. Given the difficulty the land and sea presented there was not a large return to the island following the Civil War and the Gullah were able to live mostly on their own terms till the early 20th century. They possess their own language and maintain strong cultural ties even as their offspring moved to other areas of the nation.
They were not however the driving force of the Seminole Indian wars.
Slave often escaped into Florida from Georgia. These slaves either traveled further south to Cuba or settled with the Seminoles. Those that stayed with the Seminoles were integrated into the tribe.
The video does capture the fact these wars were unsuccessful 'victories' for the US. That is each war ended with a treaty that the US basically wanted but at a high cost. However to claim that a conflict the inflicted in total 3000 US casualties over 40 years, the majority from disease rather than combat, is the chief reason for the end of slavery in the US is laughable.
The claim that the Gullah were Muslim is wrong.
The claim that the British trained escaped slave in Flordia is wrong
The claim that leaders from the Negro Fort massacre escaped and changed tactics is wrong. The 2 leaders from the fort were killed by Creek Indians and the 23 other survivors sold back into slavery.
The uniforms presented in the video are from Haiti not a Gullah nation.
The video selectively takes battle from the Seminole War that were native victories and ignore native defeats.
The video inflates odd events such as the Battle of the Sawnee. 10 or so dead ... total.
In all the central claim is flawed and the support information is highly selective. I am quite happy to see the Stono Rebellion and the Denmark Vesey conspiracy get a little exposure. There was also Gabriell Prosser rebellion and the german Coast uprising along with maybe 2 dozen more revolts. The Denmark Vesey incident was prompted by the forced closing of a black church not the influence of a recaptured slave from Flordia though.
They were not however the driving force of the Seminole Indian wars.
Slave often escaped into Florida from Georgia. These slaves either traveled further south to Cuba or settled with the Seminoles. Those that stayed with the Seminoles were integrated into the tribe.
The video does capture the fact these wars were unsuccessful 'victories' for the US. That is each war ended with a treaty that the US basically wanted but at a high cost. However to claim that a conflict the inflicted in total 3000 US casualties over 40 years, the majority from disease rather than combat, is the chief reason for the end of slavery in the US is laughable.
The claim that the Gullah were Muslim is wrong.
The claim that the British trained escaped slave in Flordia is wrong
The claim that leaders from the Negro Fort massacre escaped and changed tactics is wrong. The 2 leaders from the fort were killed by Creek Indians and the 23 other survivors sold back into slavery.
The uniforms presented in the video are from Haiti not a Gullah nation.
The video selectively takes battle from the Seminole War that were native victories and ignore native defeats.
The video inflates odd events such as the Battle of the Sawnee. 10 or so dead ... total.
In all the central claim is flawed and the support information is highly selective. I am quite happy to see the Stono Rebellion and the Denmark Vesey conspiracy get a little exposure. There was also Gabriell Prosser rebellion and the german Coast uprising along with maybe 2 dozen more revolts. The Denmark Vesey incident was prompted by the forced closing of a black church not the influence of a recaptured slave from Flordia though.
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whar67;1438093 said:Gullah were people brought to the US from the Angola region of Africa. They were primarily enslaved in the Coastal regions of the Carolinas and Georgia. At the advent of the US Civil War the Sea Island were abandoned by the white inhabitants for fear of a Naval invasion. Left to determine their own fate the Gullah return to their cultural roots from Africa. Given the difficulty the land and sea presented there was not a large return to the island following the Civil War and the Gullah were able to live mostly on their own terms till the early 20th century. They possess their own language and maintain strong cultural ties even as their offspring moved to other areas of the nation.
They were not however the driving force of the Seminole Indian wars.
Slave often escaped into Florida from Georgia. These slaves either traveled further south to Cuba or settled with the Seminoles. Those that stayed with the Seminoles were integrated into the tribe.
The video does capture the fact these wars were unsuccessful 'victories' for the US. That is each war ended with a treaty that the US basically wanted but at a high cost. However to claim that a conflict the inflicted in total 3000 US casualties over 40 years, the majority from disease rather than combat, is the chief reason for the end of slavery in the US is laughable.
The claim that the Gullah were Muslim is wrong.
The claim that the British trained escaped slave in Flordia is wrong
The claim that leaders from the Negro Fort massacre escaped and changed tactics is wrong. The 2 leaders from the fort were killed by Creek Indians and the 23 other survivors sold back into slavery.
The uniforms presented in the video are from Haiti not a Gullah nation.
The video selectively takes battle from the Seminole War that were native victories and ignore native defeats.
The video inflates odd events such as the Battle of the Sawnee. 10 or so dead ... total.
In all the central claim is flawed and the support information is highly selective. I am quite happy to see the Stono Rebellion and the Denmark Vesey conspiracy get a little exposure. There was also Gabriell Prosser rebellion and the german Coast uprising along with maybe 2 dozen more revolts. The Denmark Vesey incident was prompted by the forced closing of a black church not the influence of a recaptured slave from Flordia though.
Where did you get this information from? Just curious as even before this video, this is the first time I have ever heard of any of this...
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Chike;1438499 said:Where did you get this information from? Just curious as even before this video, this is the first time I have ever heard of any of this...
I would have to go home to get the books but I have read several on the war of 1812 which lead to the start of the Seminole War. I would also point out that while I disagree with the central tenet of the video most of the items it mention are true. Most of the battles in the Seminole War were victories for the natives. Many times a General would claim victory after getting his ass handed to him (Taylor and the battle of Lake Okeechobee is an excellent example). The video focus very heavily on the First Seminole War which started around 1816 and went to 1818. This period is marked by several defeats at the hands of the natives and eventually settles with the US making little progress against the native force but convincing Spain to sell Florida to the US.
The Second war starts when US policy forces the relocation of Seminole tribes to Oklahoma. When Major Dade is attacked and his command almost entirely wiped out while marching to Fort King it starts the Second Seminole war. This war last 7 years and is one of the US's longest wars. It is also marked mostly with defeats but slowly grinds away at the Seminoles. It end when the US agrees to create a reservation in southern Florida for the remaining Seminoles. It is far enough away from the border of Georgia to discourage slaves from making the trip. The last Seminole War goes very poorly for the natives as the officers have spent years fighting in the region. In this conflict US force we enact their first "Search and Destroy" mission which would proved both effective and notorious in Vietnam. In the end most of the natives were relocated to the new reservation in Oklahoma with only a few hundred left in Florida. These Seminoles remain to this day in Florida on their reservation having never surrender to the US. The only native american tribe to claim such a title.
The Black Seminoles were the most driven among the tribe. They often did fight guerrilla style harassment and almost always beat whatever the US put in front of them. In the most telling example of their prowess the US change its policy to allow them to be treated as full members of the tribe. This meant instead of being sent back into slavery they were sent to Oklahoma. Most of the Black Seminoles took the US up on this offer during or after the Second Seminole War (1842). They did not escape oppression though. After being betrayed by their Seminole Allies and the Federal troops suppose to protect them from the pro-slave Creek and raiders from Texas. Facing enslavement Chief John Horse lead 100 Black Seminoles across Texas and into Mexico. There they settled and live to this day. Some that remained on the reservation congregated around Wewoka Oklahoma. Of the Black Seminoles that went to Mexico the US army invited them to join the army in 1870 to help in the Plains Indian Wars. Several did join to become the eyes and ears of the vaunted Buffalo Soldiers 9th and 10th Cav Regiment as well as the 5th Infantry. 4 would go on to win the Medal Honor before the units were decommissioned.
The Seminole Indian tribe does not recognize the Black Seminoles as being members of their tribe. In a lawsuit to gain access a 56 million settlement regarding the lose of land in Florida the tribe argued to exclude them from receiving benefits.
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strangefruit
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You should go to your local book store & find the book Black Indians: A Hidden Heritage, it talks about the most of what WHAR67 spoke on. It was all buddy, buddy though cause a lot of Native Tribes believed in slavery & owned plenty of blacks. There are a band of Choctaw here in Mississippi who refused to leave & put up a fight as well, they are buying up a lot of land and starting to move back.
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