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rapmastermind;3163847 said:
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Well the Source gave it 4 out the gate and re-rated it a 5 about 5 years later. Again I don't get some of you guys logic. You say "It wasn't the best album of the year" So in order to be a Classic it has to be the best album of the year now?. Then you say, "It didn't sell well". For a solo New York Act in 96, GOLD is very good. He also had a "GOLD" single from "Dead Presidents". NaS sold the most records for a new york solo act in 96 with "It Was Written" and that album is not considered a Classic nor was it the best album of the year. "Reasonable Doubt" is easily Top 5 of 96 and it is clearly one of the best debut rap albums of all time. Just because Jay ethered all you people that slept on it doesn't mean you can be mad it's a Classic now:

"I gave ya'll prophecy on my 1st joint, and ya'll all lamed out, you didn't appreciate it, till the 2nd one came out" - Jay

NaS could use the very same line as it took "ILLmatic" 2 years to even go GOLD., "Cuban Linx" also took some time to sell. Any New York Classic except "Ready To Die" did not sell that great during that era. I don't see how an album with:

Dead Presidents

BK Finest

Can I Live

Devils

Bring It On

Friend or Foe

Coming of Age

Feelin It

Can't Knock the Hustle

Politics as Usual

Regrets

22 two's

Cashmere Thoughts

Is not a CLASSIC album. The only song I left off was "Ain't No Nigga" and how is that not an ILL song? it was the only real mainstream track on the album. The whole album is fire from beginning to end. Jay Z never spit this much fire for the rest of the career. It is also his best PRODUCED album to. "BLUEprint" was dope mostly cause of the production but Jay did not come harder lyrically like he did on "RD". The fact is the album did very well for a new artist from New York. Biggie was the only solo rapper moving Huge units in NY during that time.

NaS did move some also but nobody else was selling like that. 2 Pac died that year, of course he had a huge year. The Fugees were worldwide. So comparing RD to what happen with them doesn't really fly to me. Outkast was the biggest southern Act at that time so of course they started to sell. I brought it in the summer of 96 (You know the copy without Can I Live II on it). Thought it was Classic then and still think it's a Classic today. I'm just glad the rest of the world caught up. You see most Jay Z fans came along during "Hard Knock Life" and didn't get live when this album dropped. I was there and the album did get props, "Ain't No Nigga" blew which help the album go GOLD. At the end of the day, it may not have been Classic when it dropped but it's 14 years later, It's not really debatable it's Classic status now especially comparing it to the rest of Jay's catalog.

TOP 10 of 96:

1. All Eyes on Me

2. The Score

3. Reasonable Dobut

4. ATLIens

5. Makaveli

6. It Was Written

7. Muddy Waters

8. Hell On Earth

9. Iron Man

10. Stakes is High

Honorable Mention: Legal Drug Money, The Coming, Soul as Ice, Beats Rhymes and Life, Riding Dirty, At the Speed of Life.

Thread shut down.Classic are not overrated.That shits like saying Illmatic is overrated because albums from 94 out sold it and Nas was not a major player until his sophomore.Basically if you were not Big,Snoop,Pac or LL as a solo artist you were not moving big units until late 1990s.Niggas got selective memories.Redman and Mobb Deep were never huge selling acts.Red did not get credit until he started fucking with Meth.Nas is the one who jacked tht mafioso style with IWW and finally blew off it.Selective memory like I said.Heads used call Nas a Tupac dick rider when he started wearing the rag on his head.
 
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thesynthesis;3166036 said:
jayz other albums yes....however RD no

lol how can u prove that though, i've had conversation's about jay with friends and what not. All they all mention RD being a classic.
 
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HipHopFiend91;3166040 said:
lol how can u prove that though, i've had conversation's about jay with friends and what not. All they all mention RD being a classic.

thats ur "circle"

we all have our own opinions, given RD has yet to even go 2 plat, u'll be hard pressed to find 2 million people who put that album in there top5

u have two types of jayz fans, the ones who say RD is a classic and "pretend" they copped that shit in 1996 or even own a copy

then you have the honest fans who admit RD is a decent album, but BP or Vol1 or 2 is what go them into Jayz....
 
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thesynthesis;3166042 said:
thats ur "circle"

we all have our own opinions, given RD has yet to even go 2 plat, u'll be hard pressed to find 2 million people who put that album in there top5

u have two types of jayz fans, the ones who say RD is a classic and "pretend" they copped that shit in 1996 or even own a copy

then you have the honest fans who admit RD is a decent album, but BP or Vol1 or 2 is what go them into Jayz....

i was a little kid in 96 so when it comes to where he was as an artist at that time i can't speak on it.

i bought RD off of itunes while back it was the first Jay album i listen to idk why people keep saying BP over RD.

in my honest opinion RD is a classic jay was spitting.
 
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Buggin... That album is fire. 2 or 3 songs get fast forwarded but that's it.

Cmon...friend or foe

22 twos

Feeling it

Etc.

Album still is fire.

Maybe its a regional thing.
 
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Mad Jack;3166024 said:
Only album on the list close to RD is IWW.I own all of those albums except soul on ice and that fugees shit.Notice none of those albums besides IWW get props today over RD.Why do you think that? Because it was the better album.All Eyez on Me is Pac's worse album.If we are going to go by sales that Vanilla Ice and Hammer >>>>>>>>> rap in the 90s.Get the fuck out of here with this twisted logic.Who cares what people were listening to then? Jay was a new artist and we know what get's the respect now.Nigga talking like wrath of the math and hell on earth were major sellers and neither was nocturnal.

don't use the whole vanilla ice mc hammer logic u dumb fuck
sales count for something when it is a credible artist that sales
alot of records with that said shut the fuck up.
 
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rooster_cogburn;3166007 said:
u fuckin right u a sheep-ass nigga. u want others to agree with u, and if they dont, they're following the "trend". this music shit is subjective, and everybody aint gon like the same music. u bum ass niggas need to get that thru your heads.

take the threads that always start with "so we gon act like"..... wtf are you starting a thread like that for? everybody has different tastes, and im not gon shit on some nigga cuz he dont agree with me.

why dont niggas have this same discussion about movies, sports? Its all the same......

Lol, loosen the cape, that first post towards you was a joke...but you couldn't be more wrong @ the bolded. Not to mention that the bolded doesn't make any sense whatsoever, how the hell does stating a minority opinion make you a sheep ass nigga?

And, i still think if Jay woulda fell off after Vol 1, then RD wouldn't be the classic people claim that it is in 2011. I actually own RD, i posted a pic of that earlier in the thread. So if anything, i have more of a right to criticize the album.

Also, i don't care for internet cosigns, and don't mind those types of threads, because they stir up good discussion about Hip-Hop, despite certain posters having agendas. But Hip-Hop fans are so soft, that they feel that the albums/songs/etc. that they like shouldn't be compared to other albums/songs/etc., even if the albums/songs/etc. are compared intelligently and objectively.

HipHopFiend91;3166012 said:
bolded for emphasis that's the problem with IC too many haters, there's more hating then there is appreciating. i got no problem with DMT though he cool..

Respect homie, i'm a shepherd to these niggas.
 
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Reasonable Doubt is one of those albums where if you can't relate to it, or it doesn't interest you in any particular area, then you'll probably view it as something not worthy of the praise that it gets. Lots of street niggas loved the album cuz of its encrypted codes, some shit where if you werent on the street level didn't make any sense. At the time RD came out I was 11 my brother was 16 and he copped the album. I used to listen to it everyday and didn't know what the fuck he was talking about I just liked his flow on it. As I got older maybe like in 7th or 8th grade when we started studying poetry getting heavy into alliteration,iambic pentameter rhyme scheme, simile, metaphors I took a liking into all that poetry shit. Thats when I really appreciated hip hop even more. I used to go back and listen to the album cuz I started being able to decipher what he was saying. Honestly 96 was just a classic year in hip hop in itself. That was the last year in the Golden Age of hip hop.
 
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again why are u sheep niggas continuing to let makaveli the king Aka juelz the rhyme scheme gawd troll ya .....
 
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frostyicy;3166484 said:
Reasonable Doubt is one of those albums where if you can't relate to it, or it doesn't interest you in any particular area, then you'll probably view it as something not worthy of the praise that it gets. Lots of street niggas loved the album cuz of its encrypted codes, some shit where if you werent on the street level didn't make any sense. At the time RD came out I was 11 my brother was 16 and he copped the album. I used to listen to it everyday and didn't know what the fuck he was talking about I just liked his flow on it. As I got older maybe like in 7th or 8th grade when we started studying poetry getting heavy into alliteration,iambic pentameter rhyme scheme, simile, metaphors I took a liking into all that poetry shit. Thats when I really appreciated hip hop even more. I used to go back and listen to the album cuz I started being able to decipher what he was saying. Honestly 96 was just a classic year in hip hop in itself. That was the last year in the Golden Age of hip hop.
shortly before biggie came out, jay used to rap like das efx.. throughout his career, he mimicked cats who obtained a swifter brand of fame than he as an alternative to comin' up with his own style.. that says a lot about a person..
 
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