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P-Dogg77;1798775 said:
The name is undoubtedly Muslim/Arabic . He might aswell have chosen a true African name but being the coon that he is he chose a slave name smh.

sorry to but in but the arabs who enslaved those africans are not the original inhabitants of that land anyway. arabic is one of the first languages ever created and it was not created by "arabs" in the sense you are speaking. it was created by black africans from the nile valley my dude LOL
 
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georgia boi;1798795 said:
What Bone did wasn't about a particular album. It was their whole style. Bone definitely revolutionized how people rapped and were pioneers for the whole Midwest. Culturally, Wu could definitely be argued as having a bigger impact, but musically, Bone changed how rappers rapped. From Eminem to Nelly to Luda, they all have been influenced by Bone.

i disagree LOL

luda's influence is redman

eminem is a hybrid of many mc's ... his biggest influence was nwa tho

nelly is nothing more than LL cool j with a st louis accent and revolves more around party music than love songs

bones biggest impact was the fact that they were very original. but to their credit .. no one has done what they did since they did it

they do not get credit for creating the whole small towns that blew up thing ... nwa gets that .. no one heard of compton period before nwa
 
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georgia boi;1798795 said:
What Bone did wasn't about a particular album. It was their whole style. Bone definitely revolutionized how people rapped and were pioneers for the whole Midwest. Culturally, Wu could definitely be argued as having a bigger impact, but musically, Bone changed how rappers rapped. From Eminem to Nelly to Luda, they all have been influenced by Bone.

So are you implying Bone had a bigger impact than the Wu musically??
 
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UPTOWN (CONNEXX);1798803 said:
i disagree LOL

luda's influence is redman

eminem is a hybrid of many mc's ... his biggest influence was nwa tho

nelly is nothing more than LL cool j with a st louis accent and revolves more around party music than love songs

bones biggest impact was the fact that they were very original. but to their credit .. no one has done what they did since they did it

they do not get credit for creating the whole small towns that blew up thing ... nwa gets that .. no one heard of compton period before nwa

The Eminem that we hear rapping on Recovery definitely has Bone influenced flow. Nelly's harmonizing within his rap verses are similar to Bone's and Luda's more sped up flow is also Bone influenced.
 
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southsil4lil;1798736 said:
Screwed Up Click>>>>>>>Wu Tang

Who????????????

yo wu tang best group hands down respect cats opinions but bone and fooling with wu....lol heads should know that a lot of these cats are anti wu...
 
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Mumo X;1798812 said:
So are you implying Bone had a bigger impact than the Wu musically??

As a group, it's arguable. A lot of Wu's accomplishments have more to do with individual achievements than them as a unit. For example, Raekwon's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx helped set off an influx of mafiosos influenced rap albums in the mid-late 90's. That's more of a credit to Rae and Ghost than the Wu as a whole.
 
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georgia boi;1798826 said:
The Eminem that we hear rapping on Recovery definitely has Bone influenced flow. Nelly's harmonizing within his rap verses are similar to Bone's and Luda's more sped up flow is also Bone influenced.

Dog give me a break. You gonna try to insinuate a rapper miraculously gets influenced on his damn 7th album? Nelly female focused harmonizing could more logically be attributed to ja rule, if you wanna reach for the stars. Luda sped up flow? Nigga please...
 
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I also think Wu-Tang Clan is the most overrated group in hip-hop history. They are in the top 5 groups of all time, but man are they overrated! It's like you can't talk to ANY hip-hop head without ending up seeing them jocking Wu-Tang's nuts like no good hip-hop has ever been release outside of 'em.

And to be honest, the only two Wu-Tang records I truly like are 36 Chambers and Liquid Swords. OB4CL to a lesser extent but I rarely ever listen to anything else of theirs.
 
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jonathand;1798838 said:
Dog give me a break. You gonna try to insinuate a rapper miraculously gets influenced on his damn 7th album? Nelly female focused harmonizing could more logically be attributed to ja rule, if you wanna reach for the stars. Luda sped up flow? Nigga please...

Rappers are influenced by different things at different points in their careers.

"But if you on the radio you know you doing some type of element of Bone Thugs, whether it’s you trying to sing with the rap, or you flipping the flow. Every time I turn the radio on it’s somebody [influenced by Bone]. "---- Layzie Bone http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10990/title.bone-thugs-n-harmony-address-current-controversies

^^^While I don't agree that it's everyboy that gets radio play doing something Bone influenced, there's still a lot of rappers with that Bone element in their music.
 
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UPTOWN (CONNEXX);1798773 said:
nwa CREATED GANGSTA RAP ...name one gangsta rapper before them ... go head and say kool g rap or rakim so we can all laugh at you ... that was mafioso my friend .. they were immulating italian mobster ... nwa were the first to be gangsta rappers ... as in crips, blood, gangsta diciples etc etc that all these kids today want to be a part of

Although your post was kicking knowledge, this part made me laugh out loud. Kool G Rap and Rakim? LOL, for starters, Rakim was never gangsta rap, mafioso rap or anything centered around violence. He was just a braggart and always been, of course he expanded his horizons later on but everyone remembers Rakim for the sick braggadocio lines not gang stories, so he obviously doesn't count. Kool G Rap didn't start being a gangsta/mafioso rapper until 1992 when he released Live and Let Die.

In 1987, the time "Boyz n the Hood" and "8 Ball" came out, all he had to his name was two songs: "It's a Demo" and "I'm Fly", both of which are just braggadocio rhymes about how good he is and how awesome DJ Polo is on the turntables. That's it. People like to say Ice-T came first and yes, his record was released first but they always forget that "Boyz n the Hood" was written in 1986 and was more direct and profane than any other hip-hop record at the time (save for maybe 2 Live Crew's "We Want Some Pussy"). The record was released as a single in early 1987 while Ice-T's album came out in late 87. Now I think of it, it's safe to say N.W.A created gangsta rap and therefore they take the "revolutionary" group award for me. Gangsta rap is the most notorious and controversial hip-hop subgenre, and the one who created it is obviously the most revolutionary group out there. Just my take on it though.
 
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this nigga mumo gotta be 14 or some shit
dog
don't get mad at niggas cuz they don't agree with you
if i were to ask a nigga in my city that's my age what 36 chambers was
they wouldn't tell you its a goddamn wutang album
if i were to ask a nigga 10 years older than me they'd probably say, "a wutang album, i think, i don't know, i ain't bump that shit"
just because that shit was hot and considered a classic where you're from or whatever don't make it so for everywhere else
i could say playa fly is the most influential rapper and nothin but memphis niggas would agree with me
you probably don't even know who the fuck he is tho
stop cryin, lil dude
 
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UPTOWN (CONNEXX);1798773 said:
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ok ... what is the roots' classic album?? things fall apart??? illadelph halflife?? LOL

those are by far their best albums and they are good ... but they are not classics my dude ... put those two albums up against obfcl and enter the 36 ... NOT EVEN CLOSE

black thought is an outstanding mc .... dice raw is gahbbage ... go listen to the song "aint saying nuffing new" arguably the best song on TFA ... listen to how black thought rips it and dice raw ruins it LOL ... there's alot of that on roots albums ... they'll have songs that are top notch then turn around and have some dry erry boring beats right after that

im not gonna argue wu classics ... i like all the albums you named .. but as far as classics maybe im more critical than others ... fact is yall think any album you like is a classic ... i thought a classic was an album with no bad songs on it

and now to the mother of the stupidity in your post .... what did nwa do that was revolutionary?? LOL sweet god in heaven how old are you?? SMH

hmmm lets see

nwa CREATED GANGSTA RAP ...name one gangsta rapper before them ... go head and say kool g rap or rakim so we can all laugh at you ... that was mafioso my friend .. they were immulating italian mobster ... nwa were the first to be gangsta rappers ... as in crips, blood, gangsta diciples etc etc that all these kids today want to be a part of

nwa CREATED the need for hip hop albums to have the parental advisory sticker on it

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songs like fuck the police, boys in the hood, a bitch is a bitch, and straight outta compton caused such an uproar in hip hop and in america period that law enforcement agencies, politicians, and social figures forced the record industry to have this advisory on any album that contained any explicit lyrics

nwa CREATED the need for street credibility. people didnt know if nwa actually lived there raps or if they were just speaking on the surroundings they grew up in ... hence the birth of street credibility. you now had to make it clear if you lived the life you rap about

nwa CREATED the market for rappers to sell huge amounts of records. nwa's controversial and ground breaking style of rap and image is what took hip hop from a small entreprenuership to a mass global marketing cash cow. it was nwa that made rebellious and curious suburban teens pay attention to rap music AND start consuming it. there are only 1 or 2 rap acts to ever go platinum before nwa. the beastie boys ... AND MAYBE ... MAYBE run dmc. each and every album that nwa ever created went PLATINUM PLUS during the time of its original release date and they are the first TO EVER do that in hip hop. before nwa rappers had party songs etc to help sell their records .. nwa was the first to sell off of content alone ... their first release straight outta compton WENT PLATINUM with no video on mtv or bet and absolutely no radio play.

NWA created the whole putting small towns on the map factor in hip hop ..... no one heard of compton period before nwa. after that many towns who you never even heard of could have rappers ... you no longer had to be from or go to a major city to be discovered

WHAT IN JESUS CHRIST NAME IS NOT REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THAT?? how old are you like 20?? LOL

technically nwa is the first rap group to have its members go on to have successful solo careers

easy e had two or three platinum albums and is the first rapper to have his own label and distribution deal .... BEFORE MASTER P BEFORE JAY Z AND PUFFY AND SUGE KNIGHT!!

ice cube has had tons of platinum albums

dr dre has had two or three platinum solo albums not to mention death row records eminem and so on

even mc ren had a gold album "kizz my black azz" ... THEIR LEAST POPULAR MEMBER WENT GOLD!! LoL

the reason i say technically nwa was the first is because before nwa there was the juice crew .... they had rappers such as big daddy kane, kool g rap, biz mark, masta ace, and one of the earliest super producers marley marl. they all went on to have successful careers but the juice crew was never signed as a group and never had a commercial release as THE JUICE CREW

but as a hip hop head i refuse to give nwa that title ... juice crew was doing it before a record deal was even realistic for an artist who wasnt curtis blow or run dmc

shame on you for sayin nwa said anything that any other gangsta rapper said ... they were the first to ever say it ... then all the others started saying it and copying it. they are the reason you hear so many people doing it ... they are not just another rap group in the midst of all the hype ... THEY CREATED IT EINSTEIN!!!! LOL SMH

damn ..... dude destroyed you right here LOL
 
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I never understood why niggas don't fuck with the Wu. Niggas like all the niggas who they claim talk about real shit, or street shit...NIGGA the Wu are real shit niggas spitting real street shit
 
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by the way, i never said bone was better at influencing and all dat BULLSHIT..that has nothin to do wit music so i dont give a fuck..

i said bone was better musically...
 
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Mumo X;1798557 said:
Lmao @ Bone being better than the Wu. Todayz generation is full of retards. This is the same dumbass that Idolizes Ray Allen,then is on record as sayin GZA is garbage and worships Eminem, a crackkka who made racist tapes dissing black people. Grip money is the IC version of Gucci mane, they epitomize buffoonery......

jonathand;1798601 said:
***Dead*** at Bone being better than the Wu. I bet the same niggas saying that shit didn't comprehend 70% of the shit them niggas said. Wu dropped classics as a group, embarked on ventures as solo acts, only to produce more classic albums.. Niggas can't be serious. That Grip Money nigga is beyond retarded.........

Mumo X;1798633 said:
Real Shit speak bruh. That ignorant clown grip ass money tryna discredit the Wu.......Sometimes Hiphop has the dumbest fans...

lmao @ these feelings...

i got a nigga who actually listens to waka flocka and fronts like he's a "purist"

and another nigga who still mad cuz i dont respect his basketball opinion...

BAUCE!!
 
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