The Real Talk Thread...

[georgia boi]

ok ye may have co-producerz sumtimez but he givez them credit 2 unlike gay azz dre he dont b givin credit when credit is due sumtimez.....& dre dont write his own shit like kanye kanye dont take 3yrz just 2 do 1 song like dre & andre dont have 3 albumz like ye pac said it best FUUK DRE![video=youtube;tPUTVUcATxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPUTVUcATxs[/video]

Name a co-producer that didn't get credit under Dre. On the back of Chronic 2001, Mel-Man's name is listed as a co-producer. Most of the times, this is listed in the liner notes, but Mel-Man was listed in plain sight. How is that people know Mike Elizondo, Mark Batson, Dawaun Parker, Scott Storch, Glove etc. worked on songs w/ Dre? It's because they are all listed in the credits. Dr. Dre gives credit to his co-producers.

LOL @ Kanye West using co-producers SOMETIMES. Late Registration was entirely co-produced by Jon Brion w/ the exception of both versions of "Diamonds Are Forever" which were produced by Ye's cuz Devo Springsteen. Graduation had outside production from DJ Toomp, Nottz, Eric Hudson, and Warryn Campbell. Cam'ron's "Down & Out" reads produced by Kanye West, when Kanye himself stated that Brian Miller actually produced that song. Nas's "Let There Be Light" was co-produced by Devo Springsteen and if I'm not mistaken all of 808's & Heartbreaks was co-produced w/ No I.D. So Kanye's been using co-producers on a lot of his work for the past 5 years.

I would comment on the whole ghostwritten lyrics thing, but this about Dre's production. I don't think anyone considers Dr. Dre to be amongst the greatest MC's. His ghostwritten verses aren't really a secret.

 

[gee757]

i know DAZ fa sho didnt get all da credit he deserved on ALL EYEZ ON ME & 2pac evenn said so thatz y i post'd that tupac interview.....gay azz dre is just a big POSER & he deserved 2 get his head rock'd @ da vibe awardz on tv n front of his white wife fa all da foul shit he has dun...

 

[georgia boi]

i know DAZ fa sho didnt get all da credit he deserved on ALL EYEZ ON ME & 2pac evenn said so thatz y i post'd that tupac interview.....gay azz dre is just a big POSER & he deserved 2 get his head rock'd @ da vibe awardz on tv n front of his white wife fa all da foul shit he has dun...

Daz's name is all over AEOM while Dre is only credited w/ 2 tracks. "California Love" was a number hit for Pac and is one of the biggest rap songs ever, so of course Dre's going to get a lot of credit being that he was featured on the record and produced the track. Then there's the Johnny J produced B-side which was also huge. Yes, Daz should be held to high acclaim because of that album, but the thing is AEOM is the biggest album that he's contributed the most. After that, I pretty much couldn't tell you another album that was as big that he was a part of. If you took "California Love" and "Can't C Me" out of Dre's catalog, it wouldn't be that big of deal because he still had Chronic, Doggystyle, Nobody Does It Better and work with NWA before he ever linked up w/ Pac.

 

[a.mann]

my point is that the beat was annoying and doesnt have much replay value .yes i know he intentionally made it for wu but it sounds generic wu

no doubt were there based more on Dr. Dre's name recognition not cause they were ill bangers

not only that but I personally feel that Dre and his team (with Mark Batson) producation TOOK AWAY from the over-all continuity of the album.

Not that their were very bad tracks per say......But like they just did not fit in to what was needed...which is probably why them tracks are near the end album

(still why at took 2 guys to make such lazily sounding "Wu" I do not know)

 

[woah316]

im not a kanye hater or nothin... but I just came to the realization when I heard his new song on the radio, whatever its called... I turned it off...

Kanye has some songs ive liked... Cant tell me nothin, jesus walks, gold digger etc... But honestly, I think the way I feel now can be attributed to a few things:

1) he waited to long to drop again.. rap is changing.. you got new ppl like gucci, rick ross, waka all taken up space in the game.. Rap is a game where the bigger another star is the smaller yours is...

2) His personality... dude is just lame as hell and a dick at that, I dunno...

3) last but not least, Drake... Drake took dude lane.. theres only room for one nerdy, punk, whiny voice dude in rap.. drake got that right now...

I honestly would not mind never hearing kanye west whiny voice again... Anytime I hear a song imma turn it off or turn from it... I honestly dont think i've felt this way about another rapper that I used to like somewhat ever... Dude lame style played the fuck out.

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

Kanye west has always been corny to me

 

[T-Rel]

Kanye >>>>Drake

 

[CJ]

Damn kanye haters stay losin

 

[AK.aPHillYisILL]

Kanye >>>>Drake

Agreed.

Saying you never wanna hear another Ye song, is pretty fuckin ridiculous. Yeah dude has got a big ego but I can over look that with the material that he's come out with over the years. Dude is a beast.

 

[woah316]

Agreed.

Saying you never wanna hear another Ye song, is pretty fuckin ridiculous. Yeah dude has got a big ego but I can over look that with the material that he's come out with over the years. Dude is a beast.

maybe i should say another new kanye song? Let me clarify...

If he's on some shit like forever with just one verse, i'll listen to it...
If it's a old kanye song, cant tell me nothin or somethin, i'll listen to it...

Besides that, no, i have a distaste for dude material... He's just whiny and predictable.. his style is mad predictable.. It used to be fresh, now its just lame as FUCK... sorry..

And I cant say kanye >>> drake... how so? I'm just talkin bout rappin, not beats... i'll listen to drake anyday now (even though he's played out too) before listening to kanye

 

[T-Rel]

maybe i should say another new kanye song? Let me clarify...

If he's on some shit like forever with just one verse, i'll listen to it...

If it's a old kanye song, cant tell me nothin or somethin, i'll listen to it...

Besides that, no, i have a distaste for dude material... He's just whiny and predictable.. his style is mad predictable.. It used to be fresh, now its just lame as FUCK... sorry..

And I cant say kanye >>> drake... how so? I'm just talkin bout rappin, not beats... i'll listen to drake anyday now (even though he's played out too) before listening to kanye

Even with the clarification i cant co sign. College Dropout or even Late Registration is better than probably anything drake will ever drop.

 

[t. webb]

Drake took his lane?.....NO.......Ye's weakest rap album is better than anything Drake's came out with...

 

[allrapisback]

Well, if he never made another song, hip hop would be fucked, atleast sales wise. Who's selling besides Em,Wayne,Drake right now?

 

[riddlerap]

kanye and drake both suck.

 

[clownshoelopez]

i would mine a lot, kanye is one of the best in the game today

 

[beerisgood4ya]

please dont mention drake and kanye in the same sentence again, it just makes who ever said it look very special, in a retarded kind of way...

 

[Rap Critic]

Honestly, I haven't even heard that new "power" song since I first heard it over a month ago. I'm can't remember if I thought it was bad, I'm just not really motivated to listen to it again. That's probably not good. I kind of tuned out with Kanye after I heard "Heartless" which I liked. After that, I just sort of lost interest.

 

[DarcSkies777]

Wow u crazy

 

[hnic1978]

U lost this on homie. I can speak for a LOT of people when I say i'm looking foward to his new album in addition to any songs he put out. Kanye is one of the top artist's in rap right now

 

[just.might.b.ok]

im not really hyped about the new album, graduation is the weakest kanye album (not countin 808s)

also:

Kanye >>>>Drake

100% truth