The real secret to Asian American success

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In 1980, for instance, even Asian high school dropouts were earning about as much as white high school dropouts, and vastly more than black high school dropouts. This dramatic shift had nothing to do with Asians accruing more education. Instead, Hilger points to the slow dismantling of discriminatory institutions after World War II, and the softening of racist prejudices. That’s the same the explanation advanced by economists Harriet Orcutt Duleep and Seth Sanders, who found that in the second half of the 20th century, Asian Americans not only started to work in more lucrative industries, but also started to get paid more for the same kind of work.

In other words, the remarkable upward mobility of California-born Asians wasn’t about superior schooling (not yet, anyway). It was the result of Asians finally receiving better opportunities — finally earning equal pay for equal skills and equal work.

Why couldn’t African Americans close the wage gap? It’s hard to say. Hilger found some evidence that there were underlying differences in skill. Between Asians and African Americans with the same amount of schooling, African Americans tended to achieve lower scores on military enlistment tests during the 1940s.

But it’s also likely that postwar racial attitudes shifted differently for Asians than for African Americans. In the 1850s, newspapers in California complained that Chinese immigrants were the dregs of the laboring class, having “most of the vices and few of the virtues of the African.” Yet by the 1960s, attitudes had completely flipped. Journalists praised Asians for being hard workers who cherished education, kept their heads down and rarely complained.

“Still being taught in Chinatown is the old idea that people should depend on their own efforts — not a welfare check — in order to reach America’s ‘promised land,’” the 1966 U.S. News and World Report article said.

Since then, waves of high-skill immigration have further cemented the stereotype of Asians as a studious, well-off demographic. Highly educated parents encourage their children to become highly educated, compounding the advantage. About half of Asian Americans over the age of 25 now hold college degrees, compared with only 28 percent of Americans overall.

Hilger's research found that 50 years ago, Asians were held back primarily by lack of opportunities. Now that discrimination against Asians has lessened somewhat, the Asian edge in education is apparent: Average incomes among Asians Americans are higher because Asian Americans have higher rates of college attainment. (To be clear, we are talking about averages only. As a group, Asian Americans have considerable socioeconomic diversity.)

But if we take a page from Hilger and focus on people with similar educational backgrounds, the residual disadvantages become clear. Asians actually earn 5 percent less compared with whites who also have advanced degrees — while blacks and Hispanics earn 20 percent less.

This is one of several problems with the model minority myth. (Here’s another.) Many people hold up Asian Americans as proof that hard work and education leads to success no matter your skin color. On the contrary, these statistics show that being a minority in the United States often means working harder to earn less.

More education will help close racial wage gaps somewhat, but it will not resolve problems of denied opportunity. In fact, recent studies suggest that income disparities are growing at the very top between blacks and whites. According to an Economic Policy Institute report from September, the difference between what a white college graduate earns and what a black college graduate earns has widened since the 1980s.

This is one of several problems with the model minority myth. (Here’s another.) Many people hold up Asian Americans as proof that hard work and education leads to success no matter your skin color. On the contrary, these statistics show that being a minority in the United States often means working harder to earn less.

More education will help close racial wage gaps somewhat, but it will not resolve problems of denied opportunity. In fact, recent studies suggest that income disparities are growing at the very top between blacks and whites. According to an Economic Policy Institute report from September, the difference between what a white college graduate earns and what a black college graduate earns has widened since the 1980s.

Emphasizing the power of educational attainment also obscures the barriers that remain. Despite the complaints of Stephen K. Bannon, President-elect Donald Trump’s alt-right adviser who’s a darling of white supremacy groups, it is simply false that “two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia.” Even among technology companies, which hire a disproportionate number of Asian workers, Asians are vastly underrepresented in upper management. Yet, the model minority myth makes a statement like Bannon's feel true to many.

Asian Americans — some of them at least — have made tremendous progress in the United States. But the greatest thing that ever happened to them wasn't that they studied hard, or that they benefited from tiger moms or Confucian values. It's that other Americans started treating them with a little more respect.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...as-not-education/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1
 
article is bullshit and nothing more than the typical liberal/leftist nonsense

SO the fact that Asians WORK hard in school and have a family structure that is more intact has nothing to do with their sucess??? it all comes down to society/government treating them nice

Am I the only one that sees the ideological underpinning of this bullshit article???
 
zzombie;9507937 said:
article is bullshit and nothing more than the typical liberal/leftist nonsense

SO the fact that Asians WORK hard in school and have a family structure that is more intact has nothing to do with their sucess??? it all comes down to society/government treating them nice

Am I the only one that sees the ideological underpinning of this bullshit article???

It's a combination of both. Their communities stayed more segregated is the key to their success as well.
 
unlike in Asia where negative sub cultures are present for them to personally identify with, in america there arent any. without any real deterrent for their youth, and a closed community. what they can do is possible, its not...give it time
 
I mean, its clear to see that American society is less racist towards Asians. The reason why can be debated, but the fact cant be debated.
 
AZTG;9508118 said:
I mean, its clear to see that American society is less racist towards Asians. The reason why can be debated, but the fact cant be debated.

an asian and indian can go anywhere .....africans go anywhere but dont get the same treatment or welcome but at least they try....

alot black americans....dont even try
 
Asian American's typically excel in math, Japanese in particular have a different counting system than we do, which helps young asian students get further faster in math than the typical american. It's not that they're smarter, it's the fact that they're taught differently, and more efficiently and the separation shows itself over time.

They also prioritize education and certain other principles to a much higher degree than Americans. I think they have something like a 5% divorce rate, which is crazy. Many of the things they are about is a recipe for success. All of my asian friends were considered "weird" in school, but as we got older, they began to separate themselves from the pack. It would be more ominous, but they don't brag about it lol.

They basically run a turtle's race, I ain't sayin they're all successful, but damn they handle they business, and it's something to admire. Real talk, niggas need to take notes to a certain degree.
 
Indians, Chinese, Koreans, and most other Asians keep to themselves, employ each other, don't mind staying under their parents roof until established, value education, strict ethics, and own shit...
 
"Highly educated parents encourage their children to become highly educated."

This statement is incredibly undervalued. When people talk about the effects of slavery in modern society, they often make this point. Kids learn more from the examples their parents set then anything they are told. Culture is just at the end of the day a set of behaviors that is learned and passed down from parent to child. I once read a study that had nothing to do with race, it had more to do with education. The study concluded that a household with a bookshelf filled with books significantly raised the percentage of kids reading. Now keep that in mind.

A whole peoples were kept uneducated and illeterate for 400 years and then set "free", still uneducated and illeterate. A parent teaches their kids what they think the best chance of survival is. How much importance can an uneducated parent put on education? Also think about the fact that a child during their informative age doesnt see their parents read or see an educated parent. So how could the kids of slaves be expected to put the same ephasis on education then white kids? And then this cycle continued.

When you couple that with the fact that educated african americans did not have anywhere near the oppurtunities as other races, how can you expect a society of american americans to emphasize education? So cycle kept continuing.

2016, as racist as it is, provides more oppurtunities for educated african americans than any other time. Now look at that statement and think about how blacks still dont have near the oppurtunities that whites have, and then realize that 50 years ago was much worse. So how can african americans from 50 years ago prioritize education? I dont get how its possible.

Im not even going to talk about how schools in predominantly black areas are kept under funded.

This isnt any type of excuse making though. More of an explanation of why things are the way they are as I see it. More african americans graduate from college today then ever before, so this will get better. And people can always break the chains and get educated even if their parents werent, that has always been happening and will continue to happen. But the whole slavery ended 150 years ago and the civil rights law was passed 50 years ago blacks have had equal chances shit is a false narritive.
 
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Kanye west and dame dash in particular make great points, but they deliver them terribly. Kanye had a great point that I always tell people about ignoring racism, although I only want to ignore certain elements, and Dame dash had an excellent point about ownership, legacy building, and inheritance, although he was a bit extreme with it. I think all the tools we need are dead in front of us, and hypersensitivity to a lot of things just takes our attention off of what we need to be looking at.
 
No entire community is successful, this is just propaganda.

Fact being, if they wanted to paint African Americans in a positive light, they could easily do so. We have a large number of millionaires, a large number of people pursuing education, a colossal amount of purchasing power and the list goes on.

The main differences are..

Black people were and are targeted and treated like 2nd class citizens. Private prison slavery provides a huge advantage to our economy.

Black people have no outside force to help us in need or to keep the US government in check.

Black people are subjected to extreme propaganda, so even if we were doing well, they would spin it into something else. The sad part is, we would believe it... This is actually the most potent form of warfare they use on us.
 
Sion;9508125 said:
I think African Americans focus too heavily on racism and become enslaved by "mental slavery" so they give up. Asian families put a huge emphasis on education. Racism does exist and is real but it has for the longest and our predecessors still found success and wealth. You still don't see many Asian millionaires or billionaires in North America (which can easily change in 10 years). You have to give the black community time and in 10-20 years you will see plenty more billionaires and black ppl on very high places in society. We have to invest in our education and communities and we actively are.

Another case of propaganda, I don't know of ANY African Americans that have ever given up. It's actually the complete opposite. I would say African Americans are extremely resilient to the point where we're constantly thinking of new ways to overcome our troubles.
 
African Americans will stand out on the corner for 20 hours for garbage profit, all just to feed their family. These dudes be on the corner selling T-shirts, books, bootleg shit, fruit, home-cooked meals etc. Niggas will mow your lawn, shovel the snow, paint your wall, clean your bathroom, build you a chair/table etc. all just to feed their family.

We out here hustling, believe that! Don't ever let them tell you black Americans don't put in work.
 
There is no secret.

First off Asian American covers a wide diaspora. Perhaps if Blacks where actually counted together in the same manner we would skew the numbers as well.

Second the Asians who they are touting as successful "Chinese" " Koreans" "Japanese" are the whitest within the diaspora of Asians, Their Home countries also have favorable relations with the US. Let's ask them Vietnamese, Filipinos, Loasians and dark skinned Thai how they are faring.

Third Asians understand the need for segregation and have never chased white culture. White success yes. Their culture no.

And I love how we have just resigned ourselves to this idea that education solves all. FOH. We go through all this shit to end up in the same boat. It's laughable. I look around the work place and we're all sitting here coding, trouble shooting networks, chasing down exploits etc. Who gives a shit that you scored a 1200 on the SAT.
 
Easier said than done though. There are tons of black families that don't have shit to pass down to their kids. So it's generations of people growing up and struggling. It's easy to say education!!! when your situation is fucked up now and you need resources now. Not 10 years from now. So the cycle goes on and on.
 

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