Bussy_Getta
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I loved that movie
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rapluva;3067258 said:
You are right, but I never claimed any of this info as fact, just a theory. I don’t claim to be a Hebrew etymologist, but here is a fun fact:
Sin is indeed an English word. Hamartia translates to Sin in Greek, in Hebrew it is פשע, pei~shin~ayin. Shin (also spelled Sin) is the 21 letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The letter shin/sin, is equivalent to the number three hundred in the Hebrew alphabet, and represents divine power as it is the initial letter of two of the Names of God.
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Since this tread has yet to be “debunked” ….let us examine another coincidence ….
First of all, I understand that language is extremely difficult to interpret, especially over the course of thousands of years. Some of these comparisons seem obvious, but they may also be far from accurate. Acknowledging that our ancestors were notorious in combat and would kill all men and “rape and pillage” establishing nation building, also acknowledges that these ancients may have also practiced a form of religion building, manipulating the deities of a conquered people to serve new interests…
Now that we have a somewhat sturdy foundation to illustrate how words and gods from differing cultures have been demoted or “demonized” to the opposite of their original meaning. Let’s focus on examples with more historical sources, like the “devil” and “demons.” Some scholars believe that the word “devil” comes from the ancient Sanskrit/Vedic word “deva,” which has the same root as “divine,” which refers to angels in the Hindu pantheon. The words divine and devil come from the same Sanskrit root (dev). This theory is based on the knowledge of the prophet Zoroaster, who in the 6th century B.C.E., conquered Hindu lands and thus transformed their “devas” into Persian devils.
Likewise, the word demon is derived from the Greek “daimon” or “daemon,” which was used to refer to beings with god-like qualities, not evil spirits. Another coincidence, or was the redefinition also propaganda to persuade ancient Greeks and Romans to reject their former “daemons” in favor of new religious beliefs?
I guess most of this is irrelevant now that we have officially redefined “diva” as a female version of a hustler.
First of all, I understand that language is extremely difficult to interpret, especially over the course of thousands of years. Some of these comparisons seem obvious, but they may also be far from accurate. Acknowledging that our ancestors were notorious in combat and would kill all men and “rape and pillage” establishing nation building, also acknowledges that these ancients may have also practiced a form of religion building, manipulating the deities of a conquered people to serve new interests…
Now that we have a somewhat sturdy foundation to illustrate how words and gods from differing cultures have been demoted or “demonized” to the opposite of their original meaning. Let’s focus on examples with more historical sources, like the “devil” and “demons.” Some scholars believe that the word “devil” comes from the ancient Sanskrit/Vedic word “deva,” which has the same root as “divine,” which refers to angels in the Hindu pantheon. The words divine and devil come from the same Sanskrit root (dev). This theory is based on the knowledge of the prophet Zoroaster, who in the 6th century B.C.E., conquered Hindu lands and thus transformed their “devas” into Persian devils.
Likewise, the word demon is derived from the Greek “daimon” or “daemon,” which was used to refer to beings with god-like qualities, not evil spirits. Another coincidence, or was the redefinition also propaganda to persuade ancient Greeks and Romans to reject their former “daemons” in favor of new religious beliefs?
I guess most of this is irrelevant now that we have officially redefined “diva” as a female version of a hustler.
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BiblicalAtheist
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That's interesting, I've had kinda the same thought in regards to the 666 number as 666 is a highly revered number in some asian cultures.
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bambu;3089220 said:Since this tread has yet to be “debunked” ….let us examine another coincidence ….
First of all, I understand that language is extremely difficult to interpret, especially over the course of thousands of years. Some of these comparisons seem obvious, but they may also be far from accurate. Acknowledging that our ancestors were notorious in combat and would kill all men and “rape and pillage” establishing nation building, also acknowledges that these ancients may have also practiced a form of religion building, manipulating the deities of a conquered people to serve new interests…
Now that we have a somewhat sturdy foundation to illustrate how words and gods from differing cultures have been demoted or “demonized” to the opposite of their original meaning. Let’s focus on examples with more historical sources, like the “devil” and “demons.” Some scholars believe that the word “devil” comes from the ancient Sanskrit/Vedic word “deva,” which has the same root as “divine,” which refers to angels in the Hindu pantheon. The words divine and devil come from the same Sanskrit root (dev). This theory is based on the knowledge of the prophet Zoroaster, who in the 6th century B.C.E., conquered Hindu lands and thus transformed their “devas” into Persian devils.
Likewise, the word demon is derived from the Greek “daimon” or “daemon,” which was used to refer to beings with god-like qualities, not evil spirits. Another coincidence, or was the redefinition also propaganda to persuade ancient Greeks and Romans to reject their former “daemons” in favor of new religious beliefs?
I guess most of this is irrelevant now that we have officially redefined “diva” as a female version of a hustler.
This thread has already been debunked. The English word and concept of "sin" has nothing to do with the hebrew word it was translated and the wilderness of sin is pronounced "seen" in hebrew. It means "thorn" or "clay". I dont know what your angle is but you seem mighty obsessed with trying to discredit Hebraic spiritual science with laughable false premises that only the laziest non-reading, non-googling, biased idiots would co-sign.
Then you trying to legitimize the words devil and demon. That really dont mean much to me as i know that the devil is the invention of Paul and his cronies and is thereby illegitimate, but still.....You need to stop smoking weed cause the shit you posting is not deep and it does not reflect that you have the slightest inkling what objective, focused research is.
The truth is simple. if it can be applied in your everyday life then its genuine. lies require extensive explanations and trick semantic justification. If its only abstractions or some shit you cant experience unless youre dead, then its bullshit.
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judahxulu;3095765 said:
Again, your science is vague… If you are comfortable accepting that Sin is an original English word, than that is fine with me. The fact that sin is sometimes pronounced “seen” in Hebrew is no different than the pronunciation differences between “asked” and “axed.”(This does not debunk this theory!) You seem to enjoy when another religion has been proven to “borrow” ideas and words, but are offended when it relates to the god of the Hebrews.
I explained my angle in the 42 negative confessions thread, my science revolves around historical sources (primary and secondary along with physical evidence). I am not “gunning” for Hebraic spiritual science; all spiritual sciences are involved in my research.
How dare you suggest that I should stop using cannabis, similar to my ancestors, I use the “drug” as a spiritual exercise so that I am able to research objectively. I assure you that my research is scholarly and uses far greater sources than Google, or one book. If you have applied the Hebraic sciences to your life than I am sure it is genuine, to you, but if you research objectively you will find that your faith has origins in the ancient worship of the moon god Sin. If you would like some sources I will help you out, but I will not do your homework for you.
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bambu;3096160 said:
nigga explain exactly with verifiable sources that hebraic spirituality is based on worship of the god sin. that was the akkadians you jackass.
words do not mean the same in hebrew if they are pronounced differently. its not ebonics. you dont even know hebrew (obviously). is this what you call research. you have offered no facts at all, just baseless conjectures. you give too many conclusive statements with no sources at all to bolster your claims. you postulated that the moral concept of sin is the same as the proper name of an Akkadian moon god. an earlier poster let you know that the hebrew word for sin looks and sounds nothing like the english word and i proved that the wilderness of Sin in the bible is not related to moral sin, neither in pronunciation or concept.
then u say this shit:
You seem to enjoy when another religion has been proven to “borrow” ideas and words, but are offended when it relates to the god of the Hebrews.
you have proven nothing is my point. show me exactly where you have PROVEN anything. matter of fact, where have i expressed enjoyment in words and ideas being borrowed from haebraic traditions? are you clear that hebrew israelite is my ethnicity and not religion? i have no religion. why would the consciousness of YHWH in a dirt suit need a religion?
the application of my science brings water to africa, sustainable living to africans in africa and in the diaspora, organic farming, advanced naturopathic healthcare and green technology distibuted to those who need it most.
nigga ure talking about being weighed on a scale against a feather AFTER YOU DIE. you rambling like some high ass head wrap wearing niggas "building" after an open mic.
the advantage and usefulness of what im on vs that dumb stuff you on IS NOT subjective.
you come off like a troll.
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judahxulu;3096681 said:
BUT i will give you this much....there are a lot of renegade hebrews out there practicing moon worship under the disguise of the "lunar sabbath". imo this has to do with either a cult of ishtar/astarte or lilith...both moon related "deities".
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judahxulu;3096681 said:
bambu;3067902 said:
Again, your science is vague…
Traces of the Worship of the Moon God Sîn among the Early Israelites Andrew F. Key Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 84, No. 1. (Mar., 1965), pp. 20-26.
To the bolded ...“Then you trying to legitimize the words devil and demon. That really dont mean much to me as i know that the devil is the invention of Paul and his cronies and is thereby illegitimate, but still.....You need to stop smoking weed”
You are to be commended for your efforts in the motherland, but I could care less how I come off… I jumped in here because you niggas was on some foolishness, letting white boys clown you with false research. As far as the negative confessions go, again it was a quote from the Book of the Dead… not my words. If you have contrary science than what I have stated, feel free to challenge me, but miss me with all that “high ass head wrap wearing niggas "building" after an open mic.” shit, You’re the nigga wearing a Yamaka in your avi.
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Thae article you cited DOES NOT prove that Hebraic worship is based on worship of the moon god Sin. the fatal flaw in your theory is your misunderstanding of the source you cited. he is THEORIZING. (read the very last sentence)bambu;3097084 said:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36145588/Traces-of-the-Worship-of-the-Moon-God-Sin-Among-the-Early-Is
it is no new revelation that abraham came out of babylon, therefore its common sense 9and mentioned in the tanach that the ancestors of the israelites would worship other gods and this would be an ongoing thing. YHWH and Seen are not the same thing. lunar festivals were an agricultural thing but there were also solar based statutes and measurements. but once agin, the lunar sabbath thing is plausibly worship of the same gods of its akkadian/babylonian origin. but this a recent resurgence. either way on all of this, there is no influence on the standard manner of worship of the hebrew people. notice i said STANDARD.
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bambu;3067902 said:
I’m glad that you took the time to digest the reference…. It does not prove that Hebraic worship is based on the moon god Sin, but it does prove that early Israelites indeed worshipped the moon god sin, and from that fact it can be “theorized” that much of the Sin religion was absorbed into the Hebraic faith, which is how I theorized that the word sin was transformed from a deity to a transgression against god.
I am fully aware that the Hebrew scholars that I referenced were theorizing, but I am also aware that being as this research was done by Hebrew scholars it is highly unlikely to come to the same conclusion that I did. As far as your renegade Hebrews are concerned… this source also sheds light on their practices, as the moon god Sin predates the other deities that you suggest are responsible for this practice…
I stated that this was a theory… and a very interesting one at that. I have other sources that also support this theory, but they are not available electronically. Like I said about divas, language changes over time, what was divine at one period of history could mean the opposite for another… Does this change what we in modern times understand as sin? No, but it provides historical backdrop to the origins of the Abrahamic faiths and where the word sin may have originated from.
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bambu;3101701 said:
A Hebrew scholar does not have to be Hebrew. It just means that he's more qualified than the layman to speak on all matters Hebrew. Being that youre obviously not a Hebrew scholar, i'm wondering why you think your opinions and theories hold any merit. And the whole Hebrew word "Seen" and "sin" connection is just retarded bruh. Sin is violation of laws, statutes and judgments that exist in the universe. On a higher esoteric level, its origin is the concept of separation which leads to polemics/dualism = the "the fruit of the Knowledge of Good AND Evil" The details of this have nothing to do with a moon god. There's simply no connection to the Abrahamic faith. The only connection is to those who don't actually follow it whether they claim to or not.
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