The Official Jay-Z's "Tidal" Streaming Service Thread (New Stand Up Comedy Series Added)

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Sion;8082791 said:
@MarcusGarvey good write up fam. This is my 2 cents on it.

My personal view on this is that technology is enormously difficult to be successful in and if people thought that going up against Apple, Spotify and these companies would be easy, they were sadly mistaken. Jay-Z and co. is doing everything it can to carve a spot, it's not about "beating them" it's about creating a lane for his music and the industry he leads. The problem is just people's perception, every single day they hammer on Jay, it takes time for a business to thrive. The company had 5 straight years of losses and nobody said anything or even gave Tidal a tenth of the tongue lashing they're getting today - not until Jay-Z came into the picture. There's too much noise surrounding it and it's not about Tidal it's about Jay-Z being a success and people not liking that shit at all, because we know the outcome that he'll have even more success.

He owns all of Aspiro, he could close Tidal and start a new one. The financials are not for Tidal, they're Aspiro's which represent the entire company. It's a significantly smaller business than it's competitors but the problem I feel will be that any success they have (b/c of the size of the company) will be overlooked and dissed on b/c it's not Apple numbers (consider Apple is a multi-billion dollar business versus Aspiro being a $50 million business). If Aspiro does $5 million that's a huge success, representing 10% of it's value accumulated in 12 months but the ignorant public will shit on them for it b/c it's not $60 billion. Citing, "Jay-Z spends that on chains every year ha !" this type of ignorance is why I decided to leave the thread. I mean everyday it's something, people are attacking the fact there's no black people working for Aspiro when the company is based in Sweden (a Scandinavian country) where there aren't a lot of black people to begin with. What does his staff have to do with anything ????? Most of those people have been with the company for many many years, but why didn't they get backlash then ? There's what I call noise in business and you have to learn to tune it out and do what YOU do to win. Getting absorbed in it usually has disastrous consequences. It's not about Tidal it's about Jay-Z and corporate America simply not accepting a Black Man in a position of power to win. If Jay separates himself from Tidal muthafuckas will breathe a sigh of relief SMMFH talmbout "one nigger down, a whole race to go - this is what happens when you apes try to be successful doing what we do" SMMFH. Sad tho how even posters on the IC join the fight to bring down a brother and not just any brother but one who has always advocated for our personal growth and never bit his tongue in his music to make our stories known.

Jay-Z has always held a turtle approach to things, where he builds things gradually and when they are mature they bring him excess levels of cash and people hail him a wunderkind, marvelling at how he did it. People said Jay was crazy for making his own label, clothing line and liquor lines - now it's the norm and expected of rappers. Now he's building a channel for his music to thrive so he can own his own distribution platform and it's the same thing. Like I said, let time tell the story, of course all of these labels are going to feverishly fight him tooth and nail to stop him because if Jay gets it how he wants, he literally liberates musicians from the confines of being signed/raped by a major giving the artist control and their own platform to have their music heard. He's essentially taking the model used in the cable TV business and attributing it to the music business. It will work it's just going to take a long time, but because we live in a society of people who want instant gratification, they'll never truly understand or appreciate it until it happens and they all miss the boat. At that point like I said, they'll marvel at Jay-Z as they always have.

There is a very small portion of this that has to do with wanting a black person to lose. If Bono created tidal they would smoke his ass too. Sheeittt these services are going to battle with taylor swift and her music right now. Like i said before tell Bob Johnson or Oprah that race hold you back. Jay came into the game ignorant and lacked the research on how to launch a service. He also failed to underestimate the value of a free version with commercial revenue.

It will certainly take time for any business just purchased to grow. But out the gate Jay got into the war without properly trained troops.
 
Not buying the whole corporate America not letting a Black man win angle for Jay-Z.

Why are Jay-Z's aspirations an exception to everyone else's?

Whenever he debuts something or has something for sale there is always hoopla. If Corporate America is barring Black men from positions of power (which I know to be true) why is there JUST advocacy for Jay Z from the hip-hop fan? If you throw support behind Jay-Z, what stops you from supporting every Black hip-hop exec facing the same problems he is (shit, probably more so)?

 
I think theres 3 sides to this argument...

The first is the business/music industry aspect of it...advertising revenue sharing, control, cash flow, etc...

The 2nd is jay z..and inevitably some are going to hate him or love him especially on this site after years of jigga wardom going on...

The 3rd is what it means to the consumer which is where i fall...if this means rising prices, exclusive artists, etc then that will be the day i quit music services altogether...
 
Sion;8082921 said:
Monizzle14;8082841 said:
Sion;8082791 said:
@MarcusGarvey good write up fam. This is my 2 cents on it.

My personal view on this is that technology is enormously difficult to be successful in and if people thought that going up against Apple, Spotify and these companies would be easy, they were sadly mistaken. Jay-Z and co. is doing everything it can to carve a spot, it's not about "beating them" it's about creating a lane for his music and the industry he leads. The problem is just people's perception, every single day they hammer on Jay, it takes time for a business to thrive. The company had 5 straight years of losses and nobody said anything or even gave Tidal a tenth of the tongue lashing they're getting today - not until Jay-Z came into the picture. There's too much noise surrounding it and it's not about Tidal it's about Jay-Z being a success and people not liking that shit at all, because we know the outcome that he'll have even more success.

He owns all of Aspiro, he could close Tidal and start a new one. The financials are not for Tidal, they're Aspiro's which represent the entire company. It's a significantly smaller business than it's competitors but the problem I feel will be that any success they have (b/c of the size of the company) will be overlooked and dissed on b/c it's not Apple numbers (consider Apple is a multi-billion dollar business versus Aspiro being a $50 million business). If Aspiro does $5 million that's a huge success, representing 10% of it's value accumulated in 12 months but the ignorant public will shit on them for it b/c it's not $60 billion. Citing, "Jay-Z spends that on chains every year ha !" this type of ignorance is why I decided to leave the thread. I mean everyday it's something, people are attacking the fact there's no black people working for Aspiro when the company is based in Sweden (a Scandinavian country) where there aren't a lot of black people to begin with. What does his staff have to do with anything ????? Most of those people have been with the company for many many years, but why didn't they get backlash then ? There's what I call noise in business and you have to learn to tune it out and do what YOU do to win. Getting absorbed in it usually has disastrous consequences. It's not about Tidal it's about Jay-Z and corporate America simply not accepting a Black Man in a position of power to win. If Jay separates himself from Tidal muthafuckas will breathe a sigh of relief SMMFH talmbout "one nigger down, a whole race to go - this is what happens when you apes try to be successful doing what we do" SMMFH. Sad tho how even posters on the IC join the fight to bring down a brother and not just any brother but one who has always advocated for our personal growth and never bit his tongue in his music to make our stories known.

Jay-Z has always held a turtle approach to things, where he builds things gradually and when they are mature they bring him excess levels of cash and people hail him a wunderkind, marvelling at how he did it. People said Jay was crazy for making his own label, clothing line and liquor lines - now it's the norm and expected of rappers. Now he's building a channel for his music to thrive so he can own his own distribution platform and it's the same thing. Like I said, let time tell the story, of course all of these labels are going to feverishly fight him tooth and nail to stop him because if Jay gets it how he wants, he literally liberates musicians from the confines of being signed/raped by a major giving the artist control and their own platform to have their music heard. He's essentially taking the model used in the cable TV business and attributing it to the music business. It will work it's just going to take a long time, but because we live in a society of people who want instant gratification, they'll never truly understand or appreciate it until it happens and they all miss the boat. At that point like I said, they'll marvel at Jay-Z as they always have.

There is a very small portion of this that has to do with wanting a black person to lose. If Bono created tidal they would smoke his ass too. Sheeittt these services are going to battle with taylor swift and her music right now. Like i said before tell Bob Johnson or Oprah that race hold you back. Jay came into the game ignorant and lacked the research on how to launch a service. He also failed to underestimate the value of a free version with commercial revenue.

It will certainly take time for any business just purchased to grow. But out the gate Jay got into the war without properly trained troops.

Aspiro's issues aren't new, they had 5 straight years (and prolly will have a few more) of profit losses and had debt issues before, subscriber base decreasing, etc. NONE of it got media attention until Jay-Z bought it, people are attacking Jay's mgmt of Tidal saying it's no black people in a European company, people are attacking him left and freaking right because... ???? Even you niggas, where were yall when Aspiro was losing money since 2010 ? None of you niggas were in my thread in SB with your deep business analysis' and posts about why Jay can't win, why ? That's my gripe. It's not about Tidal, it's about Jay and the forces that be not wanting to compete b/c they know if this works for him it'll change the dynamic for other artists to do the same in music forever. Master P was telling artists to do this for YEARS and Jay-Z was the only one to take a major approach to it. Some of the things I've read in this thread is the pinnacle of idiocy.

The issue i have with Tidal Aspiro whatever the fuck its called is how the press conference was rolled out. Rich artists on stage screwing around for 20 mins trying to tell me this service helps them get paid more but i gotta pay as much or more than a spotify or google play plan. It was not cause jay was black if this was a white artist i would be just as pissed.

Aspiro failed for years but Tidal fucked up with its attitude and press conference. Again I have no issue with his staff being mostly white i know it was a european company. But the Launch that was full of star power and very little substance and no lower price is why i am not signed up for the service.

 
After having tidal for a while now I think it's not as good as spotify. The need to work of the user interface and search
 
@Sion

Race can be a part of the equation without it being the focal point. Do I think the Lyors, Doug Morrises are thinking to themselves "fuck that nigger!"? Yes I do, BUT Jay messed up the launch strategy, don't mean it can't succeed. If he can get 1m at say $10/per, that's $120m a year, 75% to the labels in royalties, then that leaves $30m, hmmmm youd have to keep a mean operating expense budget after that. You'll likely be in the red.

Another thing if that was the american staff Id say fuck him, but Norway or Sweden???
 
@Sion

It reminds me of when the Nets moved from New Jersey to Brooklyn. Major league sports teams relocate all the time. But when Jay-Z got involved, all of a sudden Hip Hop pundits starts moaning about 'gentrification'. There was an article on this very website on how Jay was contributing to the downfall of Brooklyn by joining the campaign.

People keep subverting the issue by saying "Nobody's stopping Jay". Of course no one is stopping him. This thread is proof that people just don't WANT him to succeed, whether or not they could ever obstruct his progress. And it's not just him. Master P caught it, Diddy caught it, 50 Cent caught it, Belly caught it. These supposed "Hip Hop fans" tend to not criticize shit until a rapper does it

It begs the question, do you have a problem with the act or the actor?
 
The ultimate humiliation: Jay Z’s Tidal could lose Beyoncé if it doesn’t pay Sony big bucks

How much worse could things get for Jay Z’s Tidal music streaming service? We may be about to find out. Bloomberg’sinsider sources say that both Sony and Warner have been asking Tidal for huge advances in exchange for the rights to stream their artists’ catalogs. While Tidal has apparently come to an agreement with Warner, it seems the Sony deal isn’t done yet — and if Tidal can’t find the cash to pay its requested royalties, it could lose the music of Beyoncé, who just happens to be one of Tidal’s flagship artists along with being Jay Z’s wife.

DON’T MISS: The funniest and most brutal takedown of Jay Z’s Tidal we’ve heard yet

This is just one of the tidbits Bloombergdug up on Tidal in its big feature. Among the other gems:

Tidal was apparently counting on a cash infusion from Sprint to help it pay Sony and Warner’s massive royalty requests but Sprint has specifically said that it has not made a financial investment in Tidal.

While Tidal says it has 900,000 users, analysts who spoke with Bloomberg “suspect many have signed up for trials and will cancel when they have to start paying.”

The piece concludes by saying it’s still too soon to write off Tidal, but with Spotify and Pandora still going strong and with Apple’s new music streaming service on the horizon, things aren’t exactly looking great right now. The whole piece is worth reading and can be found here.
 
soul rattler;8083288 said:
@Sion

It reminds me of when the Nets moved from New Jersey to Brooklyn. Major league sports teams relocate all the time. But when Jay-Z got involved, all of a sudden Hip Hop pundits starts moaning about 'gentrification'. There was an article on this very website on how Jay was contributing to the downfall of Brooklyn by joining the campaign.

People keep subverting the issue by saying "Nobody's stopping Jay". Of course no one is stopping him. This thread is proof that people just don't WANT him to succeed, whether or not they could ever obstruct his progress. And it's not just him. Master P caught it, Diddy caught it, 50 Cent caught it, Belly caught it. These supposed "Hip Hop fans" tend to not criticize shit until a rapper does it

It begs the question, do you have a problem with the act or the actor?

Any new york city area venue move gets allot of heat though.From Citi Field and new yankee stadium in 09 to the prudential center to metlife to the barclays. Not to mention the barclays had issues due to lack of parking and really being a public transit only venue. Now the nets are in trouble. Troy Average roster and allot of open seats during playoff games (my boy went to one game and saw it). And yes gentrification was an issue with the barclays Jay Z or not because of what was moved. Other nyc venues didn't alter the same things and yankee stadium actually helped the bronx cause they built a beautiful park at the spot of the old stadium (Was out there monday).

 
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The crab in a barrel mentality is real y'all. Add a black man to any equation and the hate/skepticism/blame increases exponentially. Nigguhs got the nerve to get mad when white people do you dirty, but then turn around and do each other foul 10x that. You know it's real when nigguhs go as far as blaming him for having an all white staff.......a staff that was already in place when he made the purchase....smh. The place is headquartered in Norway......fucking Norway b. Blacks probably make up less than 2% of the population there and mfs are bitching about the ethnic makeup of a staff that he didn't hire..??.. I gurantee mfs wouldn't be nearly up in arms if Jay weren't involved or if it was some white man doing this. Nigguhs love to hate themselves to the point it blinds them to their own ignorance. If you don't want to fuck w/ Tidal, at lease have a legitimate reason.
 
nex gin;8088927 said:
The crab in a barrel mentality is real y'all. Add a black man to any equation and the hate/skepticism/blame increases exponentially. Nigguhs got the nerve to get mad when white people do you dirty, but then turn around and do each other foul 10x that. You know it's real when nigguhs go as far as blaming him for having an all white staff.......a staff that was already in place when he made the purchase....smh. The place is headquartered in Norway......fucking Norway b. Blacks probably make up less than 2% of the population there and mfs are bitching about the ethnic makeup of a staff that he didn't hire..??.. I gurantee mfs wouldn't be nearly up in arms if Jay weren't involved or if it was some white man doing this. Nigguhs love to hate themselves to the point it blinds them to their own ignorance. If you don't want to fuck w/ Tidal, at lease have a legitimate reason.

I have been said if this was bono or paul mccartney or any famous white artists i would have bashed this shit too. And still this nigga had the nerve to play the race card and say yall niggas buy i phones and jordans but yall don't buy my shit. Nigga this is apples and prune juice. Tidal being prune juice. Plus stop acting like every nigga buys jordans out of control thats a sterotype to blacks. Cause lord knows i have an outdated i phone 5 and while i could afford to cop a 6 and buy many pairs or jordans i don't cause im diversifying my bonds and saving my money.

Jay actually marketed Tidal at first to hipsters. Those hipsters showed little interest despite jack white and chris martin at the presser. So then hes like fuck it im gunna guilt trip niggas to buy this shit. I am a pretty big Jay fan but fuck jay for that sellout shit. Stop bitching about how your millionaire problems are so hard.

 
soul rattler;8083288 said:
@Sion

It reminds me of when the Nets moved from New Jersey to Brooklyn. Major league sports teams relocate all the time. But when Jay-Z got involved, all of a sudden Hip Hop pundits starts moaning about 'gentrification'. There was an article on this very website on how Jay was contributing to the downfall of Brooklyn by joining the campaign.

People keep subverting the issue by saying "Nobody's stopping Jay". Of course no one is stopping him. This thread is proof that people just don't WANT him to succeed, whether or not they could ever obstruct his progress. And it's not just him. Master P caught it, Diddy caught it, 50 Cent caught it, Belly caught it. These supposed "Hip Hop fans" tend to not criticize shit until a rapper does it

It begs the question, do you have a problem with the act or the actor?

Sorry bro, but the concern of gentrification was a real one and having JayZ cosign something people in his neck of the woods were fighting against was a slap in the face no matter how you swing it. Eminent Domain was also a major issue even though i didn't feel bad for the crackers that lost their lofts because they started this movement. I live in that area and the gentrification is a major issue, but it's too late now. Black folks definitely gonna eat for a sec in that stadium until they're done pushing us out. Anyway, you folks can get back to debating music.
 
@monizzle14 are you a tidal employee mate? I swear you talk about it more than Jay himself. DO you have TidalFacts tatted on your bum?
 
So dudes was quick to post that nonsense about Beyonce music might get pulled but when the CEO of Sony comes out and says her music ain't going nowhere that story gets tucked lol.....also for those wondering they say that tidal paid services offer artist 10x what they get from Spotify free with ads services....damn @fuck gay-z you suppose to be on this why ain't you dropping these stories lol
 
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BritishGentleman;8089095 said:
@monizzle14 are you a tidal employee mate? I swear you talk about it more than Jay himself. DO you have TidalFacts tatted on your bum?

U ok mate

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