The official Gun/Firearm discussion/appreciation thread

[Will Munny]

@janklow school me on what the +P and +P+ stuff means. I know it had something to do with chamber pressure but I have no idea.

 

[janklow]

@janklow school me on what the +P and +P+ stuff means. I know it had something to do with chamber pressure but I have no idea.

in real world terms, the main thing is making sure you have a gun that's rated to fire it. basically, it's like this:

-standard pressure ammo: SAAMI-defined standard pressure cartridges

-+P: about +10% pressure, should fire safely in a standard gun, delivers x% better velocity

-+P+: somewhat more pressure than +P, less than proof

-proof rounds: your gun was designed to fire this and not explode and kill you, but only for testing purposes

anyway, +P is designed to give you more velocity so you can drive expanding/hollow-point/whatever ammunition deeper into your adversary... but at the cost of more recoil and more wear and tear on your gun. obviously, if you want to shoot it, you'll want to practice... but don't plink with it.

 

[King Erauno]

just picked up one of these yesterday on my lunch break

 

[Will Munny]

@janklow school me on what the +P and +P+ stuff means. I know it had something to do with chamber pressure but I have no idea.

in real world terms, the main thing is making sure you have a gun that's rated to fire it. basically, it's like this:

-standard pressure ammo: SAAMI-defined standard pressure cartridges

-+P: about +10% pressure, should fire safely in a standard gun, delivers x% better velocity

-+P+: somewhat more pressure than +P, less than proof

-proof rounds: your gun was designed to fire this and not explode and kill you, but only for testing purposes

anyway, +P is designed to give you more velocity so you can drive expanding/hollow-point/whatever ammunition deeper into your adversary... but at the cost of more recoil and more wear and tear on your gun. obviously, if you want to shoot it, you'll want to practice... but don't plink with it.

The magnum research website says I shouldn't use +P with my gun, but I already had some bought so I went through then. It was Hornady critical duty and try went through my gun fine, and the recoil was unnoticeable.

I have some standar federal hydra shock 124 grain I'll shoot and if it shoots fine I'll probably just stick with that.

I'm getting dialed in tho. I'm really starting to notice how tight i grip the gun. Like too tight or too loose and I'm gonna send fliers.

 

[janklow]

just picked up one of these yesterday on my lunch break

well... i burn with no great love for Glocks, but i hope it treats you right

The magnum research website says I shouldn't use +P with my gun, but I already had some bought so I went through then. It was Hornady critical duty and try went through my gun fine, and the recoil was unnoticeable.

yeah, unless your gun is SHIT, you should be safe to run it; you just may see increased wear and it may void your warranty (likely if the website says that). but you're also talking about a gun in current production, so if you wanted to be REALLY paranoid about it, just double up on spare parts.

I have some standar federal hydra shock 124 grain I'll shoot and if it shoots fine I'll probably just stick with that.

i do really like the Federal Hydra-Shok/HST. then again, i have had a little more time with it in my life, so i admit my bias.

I'm getting dialed in tho. I'm really starting to notice how tight i grip the gun. Like too tight or too loose and I'm gonna send fliers.

good deal

 

[i ro ny]

took the first dynamic shooting module. signing up for the 2nd one next week. its mastering the draw.

during the class, i realized how hard it is to safely & quickly draw and shoot from the holster. since, ive been doing draw drills and getting better.

and....i've come to the conclusion that my next purchase will be a Glock 43. It's gonna be my backup pistol.

then imma cop the Sig MPX-P for Christmas.

 

[i ro ny]

took the first dynamic shooting module. signing up for the 2nd one next week. its mastering the draw.

during the class, i realized how hard it is to safely & quickly draw and shoot from the holster. since, ive been doing draw drills and getting better.

and....i've come to the conclusion that my next purchase will be a Glock 43. It's gonna be my backup pistol.

then imma cop the Sig MPX-P for Christmas.

and whenever the Sig P320C-Romeo comes out, im getting that.

 

[janklow]

and....i've come to the conclusion that my next purchase will be a Glock 43. It's gonna be my backup pistol.

whenever i browse for firearms, i always say things like "oh, i wonder if i should get X or Y small pistol"

...and then i remember this state is a cruel mistress

 

[i ro ny]

and....i've come to the conclusion that my next purchase will be a Glock 43. It's gonna be my backup pistol.

whenever i browse for firearms, i always say things like "oh, i wonder if i should get X or Y small pistol"

...and then i remember this state is a cruel mistress

the 43 only holds 6+1

 

[janklow]

the 43 only holds 6+1

it's not a capacity issue; it's an ability to carry issue

if not... i mean, i do have some options currently but i probably would have bought a Nano to support the (currently) local business

 

[banginscrew901]

Aight so I went to my local gun store to get a holster but ended up looking at some rifles. Came across a scar-l .308 caliber nice ass gun but that price steep like 3,000$ . Was talking to the guy and Was telling him I have an ar-15 .223\556 he was saying get a .308 on a ar platform cause the memory muscle, cheek wield. I'm like yea but I want that scar.

My question which would be better the scar-l or the scar-h? Both can be used for long range more so the scar h.

What yall think?

 

[janklow]

Aight so I went to my local gun store to get a holster but ended up looking at some rifles. Came across a scar-l .308 caliber nice ass gun but that price steep like 3,000$ . Was talking to the guy and Was telling him I have an ar-15 .223\556 he was saying get a .308 on a ar platform cause the memory muscle, cheek wield. I'm like yea but I want that scar.

My question which would be better the scar-l or the scar-h? Both can be used for long range more so the scar h.

What yall think?

okay, so let me just say that he's absolutely right about going the AR-10 route if you want to NOT pay $3000. you might be able to beat that price if you shop around but the SCARs still carry a premium price tag because guys flog them as guns that special operators love or some shit.

i'm a little biased because here we have lightly-neutered SCARs (my state now bans have more than 2 "assault features") and my second-hand HSLD operator info on SCARs was "meh" but that's just me.

ANYWAY

the question is, what are you going to do with it? i never end up shooting .308s (i have a few of various types, but no SCARs) because .308 is costly and i don't shoot great distances. so if you're doing shorter-range plinking or don't want to eat the cost, i would go SCAR-L. it doesn't bother me to have piles of rifles in the same caliber, though i know some people would go "well, i have a .223 AR-15 right now, so now i need a .308."

if you don't have a .308 anything and really want one, and the SCAR speaks to you... SCAR-H. if you want to shoot greater distances... SCAR-H. but i would give some nicer AR-10s a look too (i have a colleague who's really into LWRC REPRs), maybe some other options, in case there's a little impulse at work.

 

[Will Munny]

Chris Jericho put these muthafuckas in the lion tamer.

 

[i ro ny]

thats cruel lol

 

[Will Munny]

I think you mean funny.

 

[banginscrew901]

Chris Jericho put these muthafuckas in the lion tamer.

2 birds one stone? ???

 

[banginscrew901]

Aight so I went to my local gun store to get a holster but ended up looking at some rifles. Came across a scar-l .308 caliber nice ass gun but that price steep like 3,000$ . Was talking to the guy and Was telling him I have an ar-15 .223\556 he was saying get a .308 on a ar platform cause the memory muscle, cheek wield. I'm like yea but I want that scar.

My question which would be better the scar-l or the scar-h? Both can be used for long range more so the scar h.

What yall think?

okay, so let me just say that he's absolutely right about going the AR-10 route if you want to NOT pay $3000. you might be able to beat that price if you shop around but the SCARs still carry a premium price tag because guys flog them as guns that special operators love or some shit.

i'm a little biased because here we have lightly-neutered SCARs (my state now bans have more than 2 "assault features") and my second-hand HSLD operator info on SCARs was "meh" but that's just me.

ANYWAY

the question is, what are you going to do with it? i never end up shooting .308s (i have a few of various types, but no SCARs) because .308 is costly and i don't shoot great distances. so if you're doing shorter-range plinking or don't want to eat the cost, i would go SCAR-L. it doesn't bother me to have piles of rifles in the same caliber, though i know some people would go "well, i have a .223 AR-15 right now, so now i need a .308."

if you don't have a .308 anything and really want one, and the SCAR speaks to you... SCAR-H. if you want to shoot greater distances... SCAR-H. but i would give some nicer AR-10s a look too (i have a colleague who's really into LWRC REPRs), maybe some other options, in case there's a little impulse at work.

@janklow sorry I was strictly talking about the scar-h. But yeah I want the. 308 not a lot of places to shoot it. I eventually want to hunt and do some long range shooting with it.

But yea I was thinking like yep I already have an ar want something totally different than a ar.

That scar is a bad ass gun not a lot of kick when I shot the scar-h. If I go the ar-10 route, it'll be customized. Bad thing is I know I'll come out cheaper getting the ar10 hell I'll probably save about a good 1000-1500 on it but that damn scar.......

 

[Will Munny]

More like 2 birds 6 stones. Them muthafuckas is hard to hit. Plus I was under duress from the bats.

 

[janklow]

Chris Jericho put these muthafuckas in the lion tamer.

awww

these current-gen Jerichos do look higher-speed than my old one, though

@janklow sorry I was strictly talking about the scar-h. But yeah I want the. 308 not a lot of places to shoot it. I eventually want to hunt and do some long range shooting with it.

yeah, see, i don't think of hunting because around here, rifle hunting is basically a no-go. and i think my relatives fucked up by not having me hunt when i was a kid.

That scar is a bad ass gun not a lot of kick when I shot the scar-h. If I go the ar-10 route, it'll be customized. Bad thing is I know I'll come out cheaper getting the ar10 hell I'll probably save about a good 1000-1500 on it but that damn scar.......

honestly, if you're not buying a shit gun or something that's wildly overpriced garbage, there's nothing wrong with buying something you want that costs a little more. especially if you buy the AR-10, fancy it up and STILL want the SCAR. especially since it sounds like you shot it and think it's cool. covers your .308 base, anyway; everyone needs a serious-caliber rifle in their collection, right?

 

[cyr0gen]