TX_Made713
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my question is why would god allow such a "divine" book to be altered and tampered with so much yet doom people to hell for not believing it
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The Official "Convince Me" Thread...DoUWant2Go2Heaven?, get in here.
Punisher__;698945 said:Us atheists have formed our views based on there not being sufficient proof to convince us otherwise.
But I'm willing to create a haven that theists can use to provide that proof (if they can) to convince us otherwise.
I'll start off by saying, what would appear to be an inability to provide a "who" or "what" for various processes and "explanations" does not automatically equate to there being a God, or "goddidit."
I think Dr. Craig does a good job of explaining this.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/user/drcraigvideos#p/u/35/Fw8ckWDiZmo[/video]
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Punisher__
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SL8Rok;699000 said:I think Dr. Craig does a good job of explaining this.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/user/drcraigvideos#p/u/35/Fw8ckWDiZmo[/video]
Embed please.
Thanks.
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ThaChozenWun
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So the first video I watched he says everything in existance has an explanation and there is a universe, and these are proof. LMAO okay. Why can he not explain where the universe came from, why can the explanation not be something else? The existance of pop cans has an explanation, yet have nothing divine about them.
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TX_Made713
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that vid cant be embedded
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ThaChozenWun
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So video one he says that man has no purpose if god doesnt exist. Okay and? We still have a purpose to build as a group and to influence and control our future. Soon man will find a way to eternal life, whats god going to do then?
Video two is a bunch of blabbering
Video 3 says if the bible is degrading to women oh well, just because its harsh dont make it wrong.
Still no proof? Is that all people can do is rely on a story for proof and other mens reasoning? Oh well the bible gives a purpose and this man says without god we have none so he must know his shit.
Fingernails and toenails serve no purpose to anything, so why do we have them?
Video two is a bunch of blabbering
Video 3 says if the bible is degrading to women oh well, just because its harsh dont make it wrong.
Still no proof? Is that all people can do is rely on a story for proof and other mens reasoning? Oh well the bible gives a purpose and this man says without god we have none so he must know his shit.
Fingernails and toenails serve no purpose to anything, so why do we have them?
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DoUwant2go2Heaven
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Lets start off this discussion by observation. Tonight, whenever you get a chance, I ask that you go outside and stare at the night sky for at least 5 minutes. And while your staring at the starry heavens, ponder this passage of scripture:
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
Psalm 19:1-3
And then chime in tomorrow with your thoughts and experiences.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
Psalm 19:1-3
And then chime in tomorrow with your thoughts and experiences.
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ThaChozenWun
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;699129 said:Lets start off this discussion by observation. Tonight, whenever you get a chance, I ask that you go outside and stare at the night sky for at least 5 minutes. And while your staring at the starry heavens, ponder this passage of scripture:
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
Psalm 19:1-3
And then chime in tomorrow with your thoughts and experiences.
"Behold the glory of night, for light shall be scarce, and balls of warmth will glimmer in the heavens. When silence is absorbed and my handywork is accomplished it shall be so all that can see may observe it" - Chozenisgod 12:14
Same shit different writer
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TX_Made713
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;699129 said:Lets start off this discussion by observation. Tonight, whenever you get a chance, I ask that you go outside and stare at the night sky for at least 5 minutes. And while your staring at the starry heavens, ponder this passage of scripture:
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard."
Psalm 19:1-3
And then chime in tomorrow with your thoughts and experiences.
you are aware "day" and "night" actually dont exist. they are man made...if the sun burned out right now there would be no day or night...it wouldnt be anything to revolve around...earth time wouldnt exist
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Punisher__
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TX_Made713;700038 said:you are away "day" and "night" actually dont exist. they are man made...if the sun burned out right now there would be no day or night...it wouldnt be anything to revolve around...earth time wouldnt exist
I thought you believed in God.
You're confusing me.
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TX_Made713
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Punisher__;700049 said:I thought you believed in God.
You're confusing me.
I do believe in god...just not the bible
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Punisher__
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TX_Made713;700058 said:I do believe in god...just not the bible
What changed?
Before the upgrade, you were like the biggest Bible-thumping Christian on this site.
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BiblicalAtheist
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What is wrong with having a relative significance to life? Why do humans suppose they are so grand and great they need an ULTIMATE significance? Arrogant.
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this is definatly some crazy shit to even talk about lol. And i really basically think rarely about religion. I am not an athiust though.
Ok, Basically, there are just things that i have been through, that are unexplainable. And the only explanation is "coincidence", which i definatly do not believe is the reason for these things occuring. it is my dreams, there has been multiple times where i have dreams, and that exact dream comes true within one or two weeks of me having the dream. I have litterilly told my friends of like sum "weird" dream that i had right, and then a week later the same exact person in the dream just showed up for like the first time in 15 years. You can say its coincidence, but i do not believe that.
I am a science major in college trust me im all about the study of matter etc. There is no explanation for psychic activity(and alot of other crazy shit), which i didnt believe in until i experienced it personally. If you were to ask me if i believe in God though, i would basically say "i have no idea if he exists", and then i would feal guilt for not having complete faith for if he duz exist.
Even when studying matter......... its just too perfect. Honestly, the more i understand molecules and chemistry, the more questions i have. I didnt watch those vids yet though ill watch them tomorrow prob.
Ok, Basically, there are just things that i have been through, that are unexplainable. And the only explanation is "coincidence", which i definatly do not believe is the reason for these things occuring. it is my dreams, there has been multiple times where i have dreams, and that exact dream comes true within one or two weeks of me having the dream. I have litterilly told my friends of like sum "weird" dream that i had right, and then a week later the same exact person in the dream just showed up for like the first time in 15 years. You can say its coincidence, but i do not believe that.
I am a science major in college trust me im all about the study of matter etc. There is no explanation for psychic activity(and alot of other crazy shit), which i didnt believe in until i experienced it personally. If you were to ask me if i believe in God though, i would basically say "i have no idea if he exists", and then i would feal guilt for not having complete faith for if he duz exist.
Even when studying matter......... its just too perfect. Honestly, the more i understand molecules and chemistry, the more questions i have. I didnt watch those vids yet though ill watch them tomorrow prob.
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ThaChozenWun
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EvanR12;700260 said:this is definatly some crazy shit to even talk about lol. And i really basically think rarely about religion. I am not an athiust though.
Ok, Basically, there are just things that i have been through, that are unexplainable. And the only explanation is "coincidence", which i definatly do not believe is the reason for these things occuring. it is my dreams, there has been multiple times where i have dreams, and that exact dream comes true within one or two weeks of me having the dream. I have litterilly told my friends of like sum "weird" dream that i had right, and then a week later the same exact person in the dream just showed up for like the first time in 15 years. You can say its coincidence, but i do not believe that.
I am a science major in college trust me im all about the study of matter etc. There is no explanation for psychic activity(and alot of other crazy shit), which i didnt believe in until i experienced it personally. If you were to ask me if i believe in God though, i would basically say "i have no idea if he exists", and then i would feal guilt for not having complete faith for if he duz exist.
Even when studying matter......... its just too perfect. Honestly, the more i understand molecules and chemistry, the more questions i have. I didnt watch those vids yet though ill watch them tomorrow prob.
But is Deja Vu positive proof of god? Our minds are the most powerful thing in existance, we have barely scratched the surface with brain research and people can do extraordinary things with just the slighest usage of it. We have never been able to explain the full capabilities of our mind, for all we know we can have the ability to know the truth to everything it is just supressed and we are unable to dig it out.
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Ioniz3dSPIRITZ
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So video one he says that man has no purpose if god doesnt exist. Okay and? We still have a purpose to build as a group and to influence and control our future. Soon man will find a way to eternal life, whats god going to do then?
But what does it matter if you won't be around to enjoy humanitys discovery of eternal life? You'l probably be dead by then.
But what does it matter if you won't be around to enjoy humanitys discovery of eternal life? You'l probably be dead by then.
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ThaChozenWun
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Ioniz3dSPIRITZ;700440 said:So video one he says that man has no purpose if god doesnt exist. Okay and? We still have a purpose to build as a group and to influence and control our future. Soon man will find a way to eternal life, whats god going to do then?
But what does it matter if you won't be around to enjoy humanitys discovery of eternal life? You'l probably be dead by then.
My children, my grandchildren, their children. I might be gone, but they won't. Man still has purpose wether or not god exists. Im not all for me so maybe I see things different but Id rather provide a better future for someone wether its me, my family, or someone I dont even know. If I dont get to enjoy it oh well, I will die happier believing I may have changed someone elses life for the better.
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Ioniz3dSPIRITZ
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ThaChozenWun;700455 said:My children, my grandchildren, their children. I might be gone, but they won't. Man still has purpose wether or not god exists. Im not all for me so maybe I see things different but Id rather provide a better future for someone wether its me, my family, or someone I dont even know. If I dont get to enjoy it oh well, I will die happier believing I may have changed someone elses life for the better.
you sir are a good man.
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ThaChozenWun;700282 said:But is Deja Vu positive proof of god? Our minds are the most powerful thing in existance, we have barely scratched the surface with brain research and people can do extraordinary things with just the slighest usage of it. We have never been able to explain the full capabilities of our mind, for all we know we can have the ability to know the truth to everything it is just supressed and we are unable to dig it out.
No(to first question). If anything it would prove miracles can occur, which athiusts must not believe in because "you cant put miracles in a lab and study them". It is just evidence that things that science would claim to be "impossible", are possible. Good point about the power of our minds, but no matter what potential our minds have, they would need the potential to see the future, in order to scientifally explain psychic experiences, and so to know information about what will happen in a day,month, year etc. it has to come from some all knowing source. just makes you wonder.
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