The Official Biggie Vs Jay-Z Thread...

[ShencotheMC]

Emotion goes into the delivery section. Delivery =/=Lyrical

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C'mon Johnny this was pathetic my mans

 

[DanknDrank]

If we going by raw emotion only then DMX is the GOAT

the only thing DMX is passionate about is sucking that god forbidden glass dick

 

[rapmastermind]

It's impossible to listen to an album like "Ready To Die" and find no emotion in it. I mean "Suicidal Thoughts" alone is more emotional than a lot records in Hip Hop. Both Biggie LP's are filled with emotion. The problem is some of you have an issue with emotion that has negativity. Not all emotions are positive or convey position messages. Emotion is a broad brush. Biggie did a great job of convey the emotion of fear "Warning", depression "Everyday Struggle", "Ready To Die". Even the emotion of making it in life "Juicy". "Life After Death" had some amazing emotional records like "Miss U, Sky's the Limit and My Downfall". Now Jay gave you emotion from the jump also like "Regrets" on "Reasonable Doubt". I mean i'm trying to understand the question of the thread? Cause is this to say Pac was more lyrical than Big and Jay cause his records had more emotion?, I don't know about that. Also the Dictionary does not fly when defining Hip Hop. A majority of Hip Hop Slang is not even considered words in the dictionary.

So Yes though and aspect of Lyricism is defined as conveying emotion, Hip Hop makes it's own definitions and lyricism in Hip Hop is defined as the way the emcee puts his words together, with wordplay and metaphors. Sure Emotion is apart if but most lyricist didn't need to convey strong emotion to be Lyrical. NaS wasn't every emotional on "ILLmatic" outside of "One Love" yet it's one of the most lyrical albums ever. Canibus is very rarely emotional on his songs and he's one of the best lyricist. Dictionaries don't define Hip Hop, We Do, The Culture does and the culture defines lyricism as more than just convey emotion. The biggest reasons Biggie is one of the most beloved rappers is Most fans "FELT" what he had to say which means they are emotionally attached to his words. Jay though not as emotional as Biggie or Pac managed to grow into more emotional records as his career went on. NaS is the same. Pac was emotional from jump but wasn't as lyrical, he grew as a lyricist. At the end of the day Biggie and Jay Z wouldn't be as Iconic as they are if people didn't FELL There music, therefor they do convey emotion.

 

[H-Rap 180]

I always thought Jay was very emotional sounding in this clip

[video=youtube;ffDDbEJAEIg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg[/video]

Damn....he put his heart and soul in that, stuttering, stammering, and at a lost for words....

I wonder what Nas said that hurt his soul so badly because the Camel-jockey-jigger-Stans say that "Ether" was all lies.

Foxxys underage puss had that jigga-boo hott!

 

[rapmastermind]

Also the person who brought up DMX is also right. X wasn't the strongest lyricist but as far as emotion, how wasn't he one of the most emotional rappers of all time? Again Emotion is what connects a rapper's message or words to the fan but Lyricism goes way deeper than emotion which is why when Lyricism is brought up in Hip Hop we discuss it from more a technical standpoint.

 

[a_list]

knew that the trolls in these cats would come out eventually.....gotta put up a better fascade....lol

 

[buttuh_b]

Cosign OP.....

 

[rapmastermind]

[video=youtube;F3ifsQOFiPw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ifsQOFiPw[/video]

Jay doesn't have emotion, yet his debut album had this deep track? Even "D'evils" was emotional just from a negative standpoint since he was talking about demons affecting his conscious.

 

[T. Sanford]

cosign thread, Jay-Z dont have any emotion in his music

 

[ICame4Pussy]

Somebody was supposed to tell this story in another thread. Can anyone tell me what that the hell happened in that story?

 

[DMTxTHC]

I never heard of this story...this should be interesting

 

[TRILLip Brooks]

sound like duck tales, link up

 

[sapp08_2001]

Idk but sounds intresting. Sumbody tell the story

 

[Disciplined InSight]

They gangbanged Kim?

 

[Brova]

I remember hearin about this. Jay referenced it in a song but I forget which one.

Basically Jay and Puff had to stop Big from beatin on Kim

 

[Nah Son]

Came up in that Rappers that got their ass kicked thread I made couple days ago...Dont really believe it though.

 

[ICame4Pussy]

Came up in that Rappers that got their ass kicked thread I made couple days ago...Dont really believe it though.

Whats was the story?

 

[ICame4Pussy]

I remember hearin about this. Jay referenced it in a song but I forget which one.

Basically Jay and Puff had to stop Big from beatin on Kim

Was that the time he made her get the abortion?

 

[P. Town]

Sound like them niggas ran a train

 

[sniperk]

I never heard this story before.

The DJ Premier story about Biggie naked in a room full of guys eating KFC from a bucket got me looking at my B.I.G. album collection a little sideways, though...haha.