The Official Biggie Vs Jay-Z Thread...

[rapmastermind]

So, you're sayin Jay would've just been Biggie's son?

He would of been the "Prince" in Biggie's Kingdom. I won't say "Sidekick" cause Jay would of still been moving units for sure, that's why Big took him under his wing cause he knew Jay could eventually blow up. Biggie would of given him features, helped Rocafella blow up etc. Basically Biggie co-signing him helped Jay Z career tremendously commerically:

Vol 1 = Platinum To Vol 2 = 5x Platinum

Where do you think those other 4 Million fans came from? A lot of Biggie's fanbase drifted towards Jay after Biggie's death cause Jay was the last rapper Biggie was co-signing before his death. Jay being on "Life After Death" helped also cause 10 Million fans were listening to Jay Z rap when he was a GOLD artist before Biggie's death:

"I told my nigga Big I'll be Multi Before I die" - Jay Z

I'm not saying Jay Z wouldn't of been successful, it seems destiny says Jay blows up with or without Biggie but it's two different worlds. Jay's career would not be the same with Biggie alive, it is what it is. For Jay to be in the lane he's in now, sadly Biggie could not be here or it would of been basically his lane. Also Jay took Big's forumals (album making forumals) and ran with them. Big laid the road Jay is walking on right now.

 

[thesynthesis]

So was Biggie all about "HIMSELF" when he decided to put on all his boys who couldn't rap and write an entire album for them? What about when he released Lil Kim solo album? SMH. If he was all about himself there would of never been a Lil Kim or Junior Mafia. Didn't Pac say and I quote, "Any nigga talkin about they ain't in the game to make money is lying". NaS and Pac were in the game to make money also or they wouldn't of been in the record business. Also don't confuse Biggie with Pac. Biggie died with millions in his bank account cause he had his own side label outside of Bad Boy that produced successful albums "Conspiracy and Hard Core" before his death that he was the executive producer of. Mark Curry is just trying to air out Diddy, he don't have access to Biggie's account which was already reported in the millions at the time of his death.

As for the Jay and Big eventually beefin, doubt it. Biggie was about helping Jay's career. They were going to make an album together which would of came out after Jay's Vol 1 album. Big's death stopped an Eastcoast alliance that was going to dominate for many years to come. As for Biggie leaving Puffy, maybe cause again he had his own label already "Undes, look it up" so he didn't need Bad Boy in the long run. He could finish off his contract with Puff and just release his albums on his own label. Big was set in any way you look at it.

ofcourse pac and nas got bill to pay....but this is the same pac in his last interview on earth soon before his death promised he'd give every penny he made from the makaveli album to the hood, every time it went platinum he said he would give back....Pac had a ****** plan, more than being in forbes top 10...nigga wanted to get into politics, his motives in the rap game were different and his goals were different,,,

big was a hustler, that nigga wasnt even a millionaire after his first album, but damn sure he wasnt goin to let Puff stand in his way or pac for that matter....BIG died with millions in his account when bigs moms said where was the money...big never saw his millions, he had an interview with Luke and he said he wants to make a million and rather not beef with Pac.....so u can miss me with that BIG died with millions...cease, curry, kim and a few others already confirmed puff gave the money after big died...

and i'm not denying big wanst set, i agree he would have made millions...but i don't believe he would be fuckin with Puff....i also believe him and jay would have clashed...Jays ego doesnt allow him to stay cool with niggas for to long...i.e R Kelly "Best of both Worlds

Ego's simply collide, thats the nature of the business...everyone wants to be a boss

you can look at Dame and Jay

Suge and Dre

money conquers all, causes splits...

BIG had a plan to make money without Puff...

all you gotta do is watch the Notorious movie and see how Puff made BIG out to be some kind of fool of "begged" for a deal..the Puff i remember had crooked teeth and wasnt flash when he was fuckin with BIG in the early days... that movie was a lie....Big never begged Puff for a deal....

 

[thesynthesis]

dead@ Prince

man Jay was nobodys fool

and DAME would never allow Jay or Roc to be some punk ass label inferior to BIG and or badboy

Dame and Jay would have stepped on that niggas shoes sooner or later....Dame ran the show not Jay

 

[Brova]

He would of been the "Prince" in Biggie's Kingdom. I won't say "Sidekick" cause Jay would of still been moving units for sure, that's why Big took him under his wing cause he knew Jay could eventually blow up. Biggie would of given him features, helped Rocafella blow up etc. Basically Biggie co-signing him helped Jay Z career tremendously commerically:

Vol 1 = Platinum To Vol 2 = 5x Platinum

Where do you think those other 4 Million fans came from? A lot of Biggie's fanbase drifted towards Jay after Biggie's death cause Jay was the last rapper Biggie was co-signing before his death. Jay being on "Life After Death" helped also cause 10 Million fans were listening to Jay Z rap when he was a GOLD artist before Biggie's death:

"I told my nigga Big I'll be Multi Before I die" - Jay Z

I'm not saying Jay Z wouldn't of been successful, it seems destiny says Jay blows up with or without Biggie but it's two different worlds. Jay's career would not be the same with Biggie alive, it is what it is. For Jay to be in the lane he's in now, sadly Biggie could not be here or it would of been basically his lane. Also Jay took Big's forumals (album making forumals) and ran with them. Big laid the road Jay is walking on right now.

That's why I'm sayin they woulda beefed. Jay wouldn't have been content being a prince in Biggie's world no homo. Jay woulda wanted to be bigger than Biggie and the only way to do that would be to go at him and try to knock him off his throne.

 

[jonathand]

ofcourse pac and nas got bill to pay....but this is the same pac in his last interview on earth soon before his death promised he'd give every penny he made from the makaveli album to the hood, every time it went platinum he said he would give back....Pac had a ****** plan, more than being in forbes top 10...nigga wanted to get into politics, his motives in the rap game were different and his goals were different,,,

Can you provide three links to any charity work (financial donations preferred) Pac has done? I'm not denying him, just want this info. If not, you sound stupid. Pac wanted to do this, his motives was different, blah blah. Nigga you never met tupac, nor do you know his true intentions. You barking a bunch of what if bullshit. The pac I witnessed was in full affect in this video

[video=youtube;MJSLES3jERQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJSLES3jERQ&feature=related[/video]

fast foward to the 1:24 mark...this video is quite ironic considering how his finances were when he died...

 

[rapmastermind]

dead@ Prince

man Jay was nobodys fool

and DAME would never allow Jay or Roc to be some punk ass label inferior to BIG and or badboy

Dame and Jay would have stepped on that niggas shoes sooner or later....Dame ran the show not Jay

Big's Movement with Bad Boy, Junior Mafia and Lil Kim was WAYYYYYYY Bigger than anything Jay was doing. Jay already accepted his "Prince" Status when he signed on to do The Commission album which would of been the 3rd release on Big's side label. DAME was about the money and all the money lead to Biggie which is why Jay allined himself with Big. You guys really make it like "Jay would of wanted Big spot" Doubtful. Big was too Big for Jay to even challenge him at that time. Add in the Pac Beef and Big became a larger than Life figure. Jay was a GOLD artist while Biggie was alive and got his 1st Platinum award with an album full of Biggie's producers. Remember Big died with the Crown, it's not like it was leaving his head anytime soon. It's not like "Life After Death" would of flopped. Jay being the "Prince of NYC" was lucky considering NaS was ranked ahead of him while Biggie was alive. Most people during that era would say, KING - Biggie, PRINCE - NaS but Biggie elevated Jay to that spot with his co-signing and putting him on his final album.

 

[rapmastermind]

Can you provide three links to any charity work (financial donations preferred) Pac has done? I'm not denying him, just want this info. If not, you sound stupid. Pac wanted to do this, his motives was different, blah blah. Nigga you never met tupac, nor do you know his true intentions. You barking a bunch of what if bullshit. The pac I witnessed was in full affect in this video

[video=youtube;MJSLES3jERQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJSLES3jERQ&feature=related[/video]

fast foward to the 1:24 mark...this video is quite ironic considering how his finances were when he died...

That's why I was laughin dudes talking about "Biggie and Jay only wanted the money and NaS and Pac didn't". Even though there interviews with Pac flashing and bragging about how much money he has. NaS making songs about him flossy. All them dudes got in the game to make dough, plain and simple. Sure they all had their own messages but the bottom line once they all signed rap contracts, they were trying to make dough. Pac died without a lot of money in his bank account cause Suge obviously was rapin him. NaS also got jerked from some of his publishing after "ILLmatic" which he still upset about till this day. Jay and Big actually handled their money situations better than NaS and Pac did. But that's neither here or there cause they are all millionare rappers.

 

[ShadyTeam]

B.I.G. was a Lyricist and had charisma something Jay Z lacks B.I.G. also made more Song's with substance and unlike Jay Z B.I.G. actually made good commercial Hit's

B.I.G.'s Music has replay value to this day and Jay Z's Music lacks replay value

B.I.G. had two universally recognized classic Album's while Jay Z's only debatable classic is Reasonable Doubt and even that was not even thought of as being a classic until recentley

Song for Song B.I.G. is far superior to Jay Z

 

[Brova]

Big's Movement with Bad Boy, Junior Mafia and Lil Kim was WAYYYYYYY Bigger than anything Jay was doing. Jay already accepted his "Prince" Status when he signed on to do The Commission album which would of been the 3rd release on Big's side label. DAME was about the money and all the money lead to Biggie which is why Jay allined himself with Big. You guys really make it like "Jay would of wanted Big spot" Doubtful. Big was too Big for Jay to even challenge him at that time. Add in the Pac Beef and Big became a larger than Life figure. Jay was a GOLD artist while Biggie was alive and got his 1st Platinum award with an album full of Biggie's producers. Remember Big died with the Crown, it's not like it was leaving his head anytime soon. It's not like "Life After Death" would of flopped. Jay being the "Prince of NYC" was lucky considering NaS was ranked ahead of him while Biggie was alive. Most people during that era would say, KING - Biggie, PRINCE - NaS but Biggie elevated Jay to that spot with his co-signing and putting him on his final album.

I'm saying, that if Biggie never died by '99, Jay woulda went at him for the King Of New York title. Jay has a history of snakelike moves against so called "family" Jay has a HUGE ego, and Jay was determined to prove he's the God MC. I mean, the shit is obvious. If Biggie woulda lived , those dude would've clashed.

 

[ShadyTeam]

So, you're sayin Jay would've just been Biggie's son?

Pretty much would not be as relevant or liked

 

[thesynthesis]

Can you provide three links to any charity work (financial donations preferred) Pac has done? I'm not denying him, just want this info. If not, you sound stupid. Pac wanted to do this, his motives was different, blah blah. Nigga you never met tupac, nor do you know his true intentions. You barking a bunch of what if bullshit. The pac I witnessed was in full affect in this video

[video=youtube;MJSLES3jERQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJSLES3jERQ&feature=related[/video]

fast foward to the 1:24 mark...this video is quite ironic considering how his finances were when he died...

he never lived long enough to provide charity money...we already know this...

recorded a charity song for the Special Olympics "A Very Special Christmas Vol 2"....song was dropped after all his legal problems.

[video=youtube;ZAmK_xbLHe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAmK_xbLHe4[/video]

nigga attended charity rallies all his damn life...right up until is death,, but black charity rallies dont matter huh?

[video=youtube;Z7zmKOGEPaE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zmKOGEPaE[/video]

The Malcolm X Grassroots Movement...

[video=youtube;LQ4FvfM9Ftk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ4FvfM9Ftk&feature=related[/video]

he was killed while heading out to a charity concert,

while pac may have never donated the millions, which he never had in the first place or lived long enough to see....i dont question that niggas vision...

his vision was to represent the poor minorities give them a voice, he aint have to attend all these rallies, but that was something he'd been going to as a child, so it was a way of life.... he was from a family of revolutionaries, he was bound to go into politics one way or another....

pac had a different aim to be in the game, he said it time and time again, he'd be away from this rap shit in 3 years, and start is own political movement...niggas thinking in his own words " if god give me breath for 20 more years, i see myself changing the world"

[video=youtube;DttunizdtpY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DttunizdtpY&feature=related[/video]

like i said pacs had a plan to move on to other shit, rap was just one avenue....

 

[thesynthesis]

and to think that nigga was in his early 20s and doin all this shit...

if that nigga had reached 40, he'd have been a problem

 

[thesynthesis]

Big's Movement with Bad Boy, Junior Mafia and Lil Kim was WAYYYYYYY Bigger than anything Jay was doing. Jay already accepted his "Prince" Status when he signed on to do The Commission album which would of been the 3rd release on Big's side label. DAME was about the money and all the money lead to Biggie which is why Jay allined himself with Big. You guys really make it like "Jay would of wanted Big spot" Doubtful. Big was too Big for Jay to even challenge him at that time. Add in the Pac Beef and Big became a larger than Life figure. Jay was a GOLD artist while Biggie was alive and got his 1st Platinum award with an album full of Biggie's producers. Remember Big died with the Crown, it's not like it was leaving his head anytime soon. It's not like "Life After Death" would of flopped. Jay being the "Prince of NYC" was lucky considering NaS was ranked ahead of him while Biggie was alive. Most people during that era would say, KING - Biggie, PRINCE - NaS but Biggie elevated Jay to that spot with his co-signing and putting him on his final album.

nigga we know jay was just a small time nigga when big was alive...

i'm saying jay z wud never have settled to be someones puppet...not dames, not bigs....his mentality is to be the best of the best, richest nigga in the game, the biggest balla....

nigga wanted the title....

u think jay wud been content being a bleek?

this is jay the dude who labels himself Frank Sinatra of the rap shit, i think BIG would have something to say about that...

 

[jonathand]

he never lived long enough to provide charity money...we already know this...

.

nigga please. he lived long enough to record a trillion damn songs, drop 5 damn albums, play in numerous movies and sell millions of records. fuck a damn speech. "talk is cheap" for a reason. give me a damn break...

 

[tdoto88]

B.I.G. was a Lyricist and had charisma something Jay Z lacks B.I.G. also made more Song's with substance and unlike Jay Z B.I.G. actually made good commercial Hit's

B.I.G.'s Music has replay value to this day and Jay Z's Music lacks replay value

B.I.G. had two universally recognized classic Album's while Jay Z's only debatable classic is Reasonable Doubt and even that was not even thought of as being a classic until recentley

Song for Song B.I.G. is far superior to Jay Z

lol shock post

 

[thesynthesis]

nigga please. he lived long enough to record a trillion damn songs, drop 5 damn albums, play in numerous movies and sell millions of records. fuck a damn speech. "talk is cheap" for a reason. give me a damn break...

dead@ fuck a damn speech

nigga stfu...

how many rallies u attend or been asked to attend?

how much work for black folk was jay doing in the 90's?

nigga turned 40 and decided to get political

jump on the obama bandwagon...

pac made a trillion songs, which were released after his death

u forget all he law suits that nigga faced, 18 charges on his name....every penny he made was gone...and the fucked up deal is signed with deathrow, in which he was 1 mil debt to suge

rappers werent worth 500mill back then

pac aint live long enough to get his 11 mil....so cut the bullshit

pac was a 22 year old nigga attending rallies which dealth with black issues...wat u do for black folk u faggot? how many speeches u made at charity events?

 

[enomujacku]

if biggie was still alive, jay-z wouldnt have made it as far as he is now, neither would the south. so lets cut this shit out.

 

[Meet The Sniper]

Jay > Big

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[FyHunnit]

if biggie was still alive, jay-z wouldnt have made it as far as he is now, neither would the south. so lets cut this shit out.

ehh ..

Do you think Biggie could've dropped 11 straight #1 albums?

Jay-Z's business side of Hip Hop is in GOAT status .

I think the Dash & Jay combo, would've functioned better then Biggie & Diddy .

but then again .. iono

 

[enomujacku]

ehh ..

Do you think Biggie could've dropped 11 straight #1 albums?

Jay-Z's business side of Hip Hop is in GOAT status .

I think the Dash & Jay combo, would've functioned better then Biggie & Diddy .

but then again .. iono

exactly, nobody know but one thing i could say is biggie was tryna brance off from badboy and start his own shit and that was really before artist was doin that. other than that he was gettin better and better as far as music. thats wat i be tryna tell these dumb fucks, if u listen to ready to die and life after u can tell that. anything jay could do biggie could do better, thats it in a nut shell and jay would tell u this his self.