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Right, Jay-Z is in direct competition with the hottest rappers today and he out does them at 40. If KRS dropped an album tomorrow, niggas wouldn't care, or even know, because its past his time, or better yet, he refuses to play the game anymore. Jay-Z wants to keep playing, let him until he can't dunk no more, all I needed was his verse on "Light Up" with Drake to validate my whole point.hnic1978;790350 said:I get what he's sayin though. Where other rappers have reached a certain point where the weren't as relevant anymore. Jay-Z is 40 and his music still is debated among the best. A lot of niggas think Rakim is one of the best of all time but if he brings out an album now, it may not sell 100,000 copies. What he saying is that because this has happened, rappers like Kanye, Wayne, hell Soulja Boy if they want to can rap past 40 and not be considered too old to rap. All the other music genres have artists that perform well past their 40's. BB King still tours and he's 80!!! Why should you stop being a rapper or a supporter past 40??
I feel you but you have to look at it like this, Rakim dropped out of the spotlight for 10 years !! I brought his new shit because I was a fan since the begining but who else did ? Another thing is, being 40 today don't mean shit when you dropped in 1996 !! That could be Rakim, LL, KRS, Chuck D or Ice Cube. Jay-Z might have started later than all of them but he's around their age also.hnic1978;790350 said:I get what he's sayin though. Where other rappers have reached a certain point where the weren't as relevant anymore. Jay-Z is 40 and his music still is debated among the best. A lot of niggas think Rakim is one of the best of all time but if he brings out an album now, it may not sell 100,000 copies. What he saying is that because this has happened, rappers like Kanye, Wayne, hell Soulja Boy if they want to can rap past 40 and not be considered too old to rap. All the other music genres have artists that perform well past their 40's. BB King still tours and he's 80!!! Why should you stop being a rapper or a supporter past 40??
Kwan Dai;789815 said:Just for Shits and Giggles. Show me where the likes of Rakim, Slick Rick, Grap, KRS-one, Chuck D, EPMD, NAS, Smith and Wesson, BuckShot, Common, Pharoah, Cee-lo, Dre 300k, Scarface, Black thought, Mos Def, Heiroglyphics, Pharcyde, exhibit, RZA, GZA, GHOST, and Rae have bitten 100+ bars from various MC's. And this is my short list.
curtis75black;790405 said:If you're talking about the amount of albums he dropped in that period, well he had too !! Who else was gonna hold the Roc down ? He was their cash cow. Other emcees can chill for a couple years doing other things like movies and tv shows. That's evident. That wasn't my argument though. Selling cd's is whatever, I'm talking about a Career and there's too many emcees that has been passed the 14 year mark, putting out consistent music and still is doing well with theirs like I said, whether you want to fuck with them or not.
curtis75black;790450 said:I feel you but you have to look at it like this, Rakim dropped out of the spotlight for 10 years !! I brought his new shit because I was a fan since the begining but who else did ? Another thing is, being 40 today don't mean shit when you dropped in 1996 !! That could be Rakim, LL, KRS, Chuck D or Ice Cube. Jay-Z might have started later than all of them but he's around their age also.
hnic1978;790456 said:U talkin bout this list???? You a Joke homie cuz i have mostly ALL of this shit in my collection. Cuz i defend Jay doesn't mean I like pop rap. I would defend ANY quality shit out there.
hnic1978;790506 said:Yeah thats what i'm sayin age wise 40+ rappers are frowned upon in hip hop. A lot of fans think hip hop is a young mans game and now its being proven that you can still be relevant in the rap game at an older age.
rip.dilla;790537 said:Jigg stay winning lol... his threads go multi plat in a coupla hours
That's more like T.I. and Swizz Beatz problem, not Hov's. Jay didn't make that song.rapmastermind;789853 said:There is no excuse why Biggie did not get credit for "Bring Em Out" when the sample was from his verse that he was the writer of. There is no way around that. Jay Z caked off Big's Lyrics, it was a Platinum single.
Kwan Dai;790543 said:Frowned upon by whom? I am approaching 40 and have plenty of homeys who are also approaching 40. We all enjoy quality Hip Hop and in order to fill this NEED we aint checking for Jayz because, he isn't making quality Hip Hop. Why listen to Jayz when we can easily go into our collections for Kane, or Big.
Kwan Dai;790546 said:Hip Hop stay winning.
Kwan Dai;790426 said:You can look at the numbers that way if, you choose. However, I choose to be objectively look at the Fact of 100+ lines of other MC's material is overboard. In my objective opinion a Hip Hop artist shouldn't get a pass for this. I disagree that a rappers relevance matters as what is relevant to one person isn't relevant to another. So, that should never factor into the equation. Not mention that we all know that an artists skill has nothing to do with his/her relevance. Again we don't need these fake ass niggas to transcend anything. Hip Hop was fine when it was in Mom and Pop stores, in the crates, at house parties, and on college radio. I'd suggest you stop guessing homey. I don't care where Hip Hop has landed as long as it stays Hip Hop that is creative, organic, progressive and enlightening.My view is far from narrow. Your view could be interpreted as narrow since you believe Hip Hop is, in need of Pop Starts, who appear on MTV cribs and Oprah as, if, that has some baring on the quality of the music.
Damn Dawg, you was just 11 years old when Jigga dropped. Now wonder you sound like this !! It's all good, We all had to start somewhere. You just don't have any real appreciation for what made Jay-Z who he is today. And just to let you know, everytime you happen to hear any track on commercial or TV show that playing any LL, he's getting paid since he owns his catalog. He doesn't have to spit anymore. When you heard "Going Back to Cali" during the last Laker/Celtic game, that's cash in his pocket. He spits for the love. He's been paid. Research homie. Do some.kingofdetroit;790591 said:Y'all old ass niggas is just reminiscing tho, lol. Y'all listening to songs that them rappers prolly can't even remember the words to anymore. Look. ain't nothin' wrong with classic Hip Hop, I'm 25 and still listen to it myself just to go back a little, but I am living in this age of Hip Hop and WANT to enjoy it as much as possible with what I have to listen to and Jay-Z is bar none, KING OF THE OLD ASS NIGGAS because the nigga ain't hit the bench yet, he tried to, but Hip Hop was down by 10 and we needed Hov back to secure the "W"
usmarin3;790638 said:If Ms. Wallace, Bun B, Kane, SLick Rick, Rakime,etc don't have a problem with it, why do you, who died and made your ass the hiphop police? An artist skill has alot to do with his or her relevance, who the fuck do you think niggas are making music for and writing music that transcend music is a part of an artist relevance. If people weren't relevant their music wouldnt be listened to in the shanti towns in Africa, in the favellas in Brazil, the suburbs,etc. It's why Pac is popular, why Bob Marley is popular, why John Lennon is popular and all are legends, you must have some massive success sales wise to transcend music. The funny shit about is, you say you need hiphop to stay in the mom and pops stores but guess what, hiphop started from Jamaican dancehall music. If dancehall hadn't branched out and Kool Herc never came to this country, there would be no hiphop, it's mandatory for hiphop to get as big as it possibly can because it's the only way it will sustain itself and bring in new talent. You think if rap stayed in the hood we would have people like Eminem, Beastie Boys, Kanaan,etc.
Hiphop is about telling "your'' story, not telling a hood story. We have more than enough niggas from the ghetto regurgatating the same shit over and over, it's always good to have new perspective.
Sociopath Tendencies;790786 said:How do I get a new perspective by listening to old lyrics? You camel-riders are quite pathetic the way you defend a man that doesn't even know you exist.
Kwan Dai;790822 said:I don't have a problem with it homey. I have an opinion on it just like you do. What and who made you Jayz's lawyer? See how petty that shit is? So, stay focused. I'll just tell you I disagree with you in regards to skill equating to relevance and leave it there. Pac and Marley's Music are popular because of the message in it. If, Pac and Marley's Music didn't matter neither would they as people. Jayz's music will not have this affect. I can almost guarantee this. I didn't say it needed to stay there. Don't stoop to fabricating? I said Hip Hop was fine when it was in these places. Hip Hop didn't start with Dancehall Music. Stop lying my dude. I get your point. Hip Hop has elements of the Dance by way of the DJ, sound systems, and Kool Herc who is of Jamaican ancestry. Don't twist shit homey. I have never ever thought that Hip Hop should branch out. But your brand of branching out is POP, MEDIA and PERSONAL BULLSHIT!! My idea of Branching of out is, having, artists, like Rakim, Kane, NWA, PE, Goodie, ATCQ, and Run DMC getting spins while the Hip Hop listener also has an appreciation for the DJ, B-Boying, and Bombing. Never once have said or eluded to Hip Hop being or staying on some guns and drugs shit but your limited understanding has you in this mind frame not I. My memories from early years in Hip Hop where Park Jams where songs, like over like fat rat, square biz, apache and planet rock were playing. Not 50 cent or onyx.
Sociopath Tendencies;790912 said:This thread ain't about new artists you simple faggot. Go make another thread and explain to everyone how you let your girlfriend get raped in front of you, pussy.
smh @ not defending your woman in real life, but jumping to defend Jay-Z on the internet.
Sociopath Tendencies;790962 said:You'd run from me like you ran when your girl's pussy was ravaged in front of you.
curtis75black;790660 said:Damn Dawg, you was just 11 years old when Jigga dropped. Now wonder you sound like this !! It's all good, We all had to start somewhere. You just don't have any real appreciation for what made Jay-Z who he is today. And just to let you know, everytime you happen to hear any track on commercial or TV show that playing any LL, he's getting paid since he owns his catalog. He doesn't have to spit anymore. When you heard "Going Back to Cali" during the last Laker/Celtic game, that's cash in his pocket. He spits for the love. He's been paid. Research homie. Do some.
