the official ask lostsamuraisotaku a question about the quran thread

[lostsamuraisotaku]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

question habib who wrote Surat `Abasa ? and who turned there head when Abdullah bin Umm Maktum, a blind man convened at the gathering in mecca ?

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

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the problem is you don't have the proper understanding of islam. cannabis is NOT misunderstood. maybe intoxicant is the wrong word being used here. however, the injunction on marijuana is not because it is considered an intoxicant. the problem here is that another poster classified marijuana as an intoxicant and you assumed islam prohibits it based on that classification. that is not the case. it is prohibited based on qiyas (duduction by analogy based on islamic principles). what i said earlier was that you were misinterpreting the meaning of intoxicant in this case. it wasnt being used in its strict medical sense but instead to provide an analogy to point to its mind altering affects which go against islam and therefore is one reason for marijuana being haram (i.e. prohibited)

I can agree with that...

However, the "intoxicant" issue arose out of the incorrect classification of cannabis as Khamr......

Whatever you call it, I think that the effects of cannabis are more mind opening than mind altering.....

a folk tale is a folk tale. the point was that he was not the founder of sufism and the folk tale (of which i cant find much evidence for) states he was a founder of a sufi order (these are two different things). by any token if the folk tale is true he was partaking in something that is islamically prohibited. so regardless of whether this story is true this "sufi" smoking weed doesnt give credence to marijuana being lawful (islamically)

No doubt....

I added the folk tale as "evidence" of cannabis use in Persian/Islamic history......

Not claiming it as the "truth" or a law.......

HOTEP.......

where did you study arabic?? how have you determined i documented khamr incorrectly?? even after your OWN SOURCE corrected you?

 

[bambu]

^^^^ easy brother.....

I made no accusations directed at you......

I think the issue of khamr and cannabis was clarified thoroughly....

I do not speak arabic... So you should provide translations where necessary......

One may take a statement that cannot be easily translated as a sign of disrespect................

HOTEP......

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

haha ^ yes forgive me i was not trying to turn usman into author of quran i can see how than can be mis interpreted

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

haha ^ yes forgive me i was not trying to turn usman into author of quran i can see how than can be mis interpreted

yes i was demonstrating the abyss of difference in approaches to its publishing and that the quran didnt fall from heaven and if it did it went thru a very earthly journey before and after its publishing

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

yes ^ jzk alaah khair

 

[husnain1]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

can't prove what? there is AMPLE evidence out there to prove it. im not trying to be rude here but i feel you have a gross misunderstanding of this subject at least it appears that way

 

[husnain1]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

question habib who wrote Surat `Abasa ? and who turned there head when Abdullah bin Umm Maktum, a blind man convened at the gathering in mecca ?

forgive me but what are you talking about here? as for the surah it comes from Allah swt (just like the rest)

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

can't prove what? there is AMPLE evidence out there to prove it. im not trying to be rude here but i feel you have a gross misunderstanding of this subject at least it appears that way

jzk allah khair

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

may allah guide us insha allah

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

I got 2 questions. And by no means is this an attack of any kind. Just questions.

1. If Muhammad was truly a man god, then why was he married to a child ( Aisha) when she 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9?

2. Why is slavery and sex slavery allowed?

There are some other questions I have, but these were the first off the top of my head

Peace

more context on the lies of aisha bint abu bakr

 

[husnain1]

salam u alykum wa ramatulahi wa barakatuhu

the short answer ( iwill answer this a second time later) is that the quran of the prophet ( s.a.w ) is not the quran you read today the ayatollah's still have the hidden quran hidden amongst the wise men the quran you see today was written by the companion uthman by in which the other companions by in large rejected (for a number of reasons)

those are blatant lies. Usman (r.a.) didnt write the Quran he only arranged the verses (that were already in existence) in the order they are in the Quran. In short, he gave "structure" to the Quran.

you cant prove this ^^^ however to render context i will say perhaps "wrote" was a little strong perhaps prepared is the word (kalima ) however the focal point of the caveat is that many did not agree on its publishing to some greater or lesser extent insha this helps

can't prove what? there is AMPLE evidence out there to prove it. im not trying to be rude here but i feel you have a gross misunderstanding of this subject at least it appears that way

bro are you shia?

 

[bambu]

لكن، منذ كنت تريد أن تكون مستمرة

Khamr is the drink prohibited in the Koran. The word khamr is derived from the verb khamara means it veiled or covered or concealed a thing, and wine is called khamr because it veils and shrouds the intellect of man. The word khamr occurs six times in the Koran, once in subjective case (5:90), twice in objective case (12:36, 41) and thrice in genitive case (2:219, 5:91, 47:15).

Khamr is differently explained as meaning what intoxicates, of the expressed juice of grapes, or the juice of grapes when it has effervesced and thrown up froth and become freed therefrom and still, or it has common application to intoxicating expressed juice of anything, or any intoxicating thing that clouds or obscures the intellect.

القنب لا كل ضمن هذه الفئة

Cannabis does not fit into this classification......

 

[husnain1]

لكن، منذ كنت تريد أن تكون مستمرة

Khamr is the drink prohibited in the Koran. The word khamr is derived from the verb khamara means it veiled or covered or concealed a thing, and wine is called khamr because it veils and shrouds the intellect of man. The word khamr occurs six times in the Koran, once in subjective case (5:90), twice in objective case (12:36, 41) and thrice in genitive case (2:219, 5:91, 47:15).

Khamr is differently explained as meaning what intoxicates, of the expressed juice of grapes, or the juice of grapes when it has effervesced and thrown up froth and become freed therefrom and still, or it has common application to intoxicating expressed juice of anything, or any intoxicating thing that clouds or obscures the intellect.

القنب لا كل ضمن هذه الفئة

Cannabis does not fit into this classification......

bro u do realize cannabis has many different effects some of which could be classified under intoxicants. idk if u are muslim or not but u seem to be missing the point. alcohol suppresses many brain functions and does not allow one to think clearly similarly marijuana affects brain function and does not allow one to think clearly therefore both would be haram because one could not pray in such a state. you keep using this strict sense of intoxication not realizing that intoxication has different meanings and can be used in different ways.

 

[bambu]

Not a Muslim, just a staunch defender of cannabis....

Semantics....

Cannabis does not share any similarities with alcohol..........

 

[husnain1]

Not a Muslim, just a staunch defender of cannabis....

Semantics....

Cannabis does not share any similarities with alcohol..........

ok no wonder u dont understand what im saying. and yes it actually does share similarities with alcohol.
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
http://www.psych.ndsu.nodak.edu/nawrot/Courses/465Projects05/marijuana/comparison.htm

 

[bambu]

Not a Muslim, just a staunch defender of cannabis....

Semantics....

Cannabis does not share any similarities with alcohol..........

ok no wonder u dont understand what im saying. and yes it actually does share similarities with alcohol.
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
http://www.psych.ndsu.nodak.edu/nawrot/Courses/465Projects05/marijuana/comparison.htm

Miss me with your false witness concerning the cannabis plant

 

[bambu]

Also, by the 9th and 10th century, Egyptian medicine became Islamic medicine. Despite laws banning all intoxicants, the plant in "hashish form" continued to be used for its powerful medicinal qualities. The term for the plant and its products changed over time, adding another level of confusion, in Islamic medicine it was no longer referred to as "shemshemet" but instead was called "hashish, or shadanaj,the Royal grain."

 

[husnain1]

sure bro. muslims stole everything, they never understood it, and they dont even know anything about their own religion is that it? bro you're not muslim so why are u so worried about what islam has to say about marijuana? it doesnt concern u one bit so why make such a big deal about it? i get u love the ganja but why does it matter to you what islam says about it? btw not everything was invented by the egyptians and "stolen" by everyone else. in attempt to reclaim black pride some people on the IC now espouse egypts rich history as a point of pride which is fine but that doesnt mean everyone else is the boogey man.

 

[husnain1]

Not a Muslim, just a staunch defender of cannabis....

Semantics....

Cannabis does not share any similarities with alcohol..........

ok no wonder u dont understand what im saying. and yes it actually does share similarities with alcohol.
http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm
http://www.psych.ndsu.nodak.edu/nawrot/Courses/465Projects05/marijuana/comparison.htm

Miss me with your false witness concerning the cannabis plant

i guess u have an issue with science now?