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blue_london;c-10146661 said:
water ur seeds;c-10146641 said:
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I feel like Ronaldo had to work ALOT harder to squeeze every ounce of his potential out of him, whereas Messi was more naturally gifted (regardless of the *alleged* HGH Barca fed him as a kid)... But I rank Ronaldo as better all round player...

Like Fergie I think told Ronaldo he needed work on his heading, so I believe that summer Ronaldo spent daum near every day with weights on his ankles practicing his heading and came back with the hang time of Michael Jordan and scoring mad headers...

Another story is him getting kicked to schitt and bullied in the EPL, so he bulked and became a beast, so I feel like he worked on all his weakness and things that hampered his game and overcame them... Now he has gotten older he has adapted his game again trying to get round something no one can out run forever, father time... You gotta respect his hustle...

I respect his hustle but personally prefer talent/skills over muscle, what Ronnie does, can be done again by someone else if they're willing to put in work...what Messi does is seldom seen, Cruijff, Pele, Maradona and a couple others were also uniquely talented like Messi....I feel like if Robben - remember 2010 - for example or even Bale wouldn't be so injury prone, they could have surpassed Ronnie...

Another thing is that both are a bit overrated...they've dominated the awards but didn't deserve to win it all as they did. Messi winning best player of the wc 2014 for example when there clearly were better players and Iniesta should have atleast won one ballon d'or during the Spanish hegemony...Even Sneijder had one prime season - was 2009/2010 I believe - won uefa European player of the year but got ignored by Fifa...the season he dominated Europe with Jose's Inter and reached the world cup final...

Ronaldo does have mad skills though, he loves using that 'chop' move I think its called, he has crazy skill and trick moves in his locker... In his prime he could basically take players on and beats them however he liked... Also IMO he kinda revolutionised free kick taking too... He can still score metal goals from miles out too, that isnt something that any player can teach, its something that he had to work on and bring out of himself, but its just like any player working hard to get the best out of him... I agree though the way Messi takes players on with the ball stuck to his foot and then puts in a cheeky finish is amazing to watch and is something that is pretty much pure natural ability...

So much so his freekick record is now awful

Yeah but I dont think Beck's record was actually that good either though was it??? They have just scored important ones... Plus keepers now know what to look for I guess... Thinking about it, do many players who take regular free kicks have good stats??? Funny I saw Coutinho taking practice free kicks at an OPEN GOAL in the warm up the other week, he missed target 3 times in a row, it was hilarious, he then walked off the pitch looking like a wasteman.... But then scored one with the last kick of the game lol
 
water ur seeds;c-10146663 said:
blue_london;c-10146661 said:
water ur seeds;c-10146641 said:
HundredEyes ;c-10145571 said:
water ur seeds;c-10143448 said:
I feel like Ronaldo had to work ALOT harder to squeeze every ounce of his potential out of him, whereas Messi was more naturally gifted (regardless of the *alleged* HGH Barca fed him as a kid)... But I rank Ronaldo as better all round player...

Like Fergie I think told Ronaldo he needed work on his heading, so I believe that summer Ronaldo spent daum near every day with weights on his ankles practicing his heading and came back with the hang time of Michael Jordan and scoring mad headers...

Another story is him getting kicked to schitt and bullied in the EPL, so he bulked and became a beast, so I feel like he worked on all his weakness and things that hampered his game and overcame them... Now he has gotten older he has adapted his game again trying to get round something no one can out run forever, father time... You gotta respect his hustle...

I respect his hustle but personally prefer talent/skills over muscle, what Ronnie does, can be done again by someone else if they're willing to put in work...what Messi does is seldom seen, Cruijff, Pele, Maradona and a couple others were also uniquely talented like Messi....I feel like if Robben - remember 2010 - for example or even Bale wouldn't be so injury prone, they could have surpassed Ronnie...

Another thing is that both are a bit overrated...they've dominated the awards but didn't deserve to win it all as they did. Messi winning best player of the wc 2014 for example when there clearly were better players and Iniesta should have atleast won one ballon d'or during the Spanish hegemony...Even Sneijder had one prime season - was 2009/2010 I believe - won uefa European player of the year but got ignored by Fifa...the season he dominated Europe with Jose's Inter and reached the world cup final...

Ronaldo does have mad skills though, he loves using that 'chop' move I think its called, he has crazy skill and trick moves in his locker... In his prime he could basically take players on and beats them however he liked... Also IMO he kinda revolutionised free kick taking too... He can still score metal goals from miles out too, that isnt something that any player can teach, its something that he had to work on and bring out of himself, but its just like any player working hard to get the best out of him... I agree though the way Messi takes players on with the ball stuck to his foot and then puts in a cheeky finish is amazing to watch and is something that is pretty much pure natural ability...

So much so his freekick record is now awful

Yeah but I dont think Beck's record was actually that good either though was it??? They have just scored important ones... Plus keepers now know what to look for I guess... Thinking about it, do many players who take regular free kicks have good stats??? Funny I saw Coutinho taking practice free kicks at an OPEN GOAL in the warm up the other week, he missed target 3 times in a row, it was hilarious, he then walked off the pitch looking like a wasteman.... But then scored one with the last kick of the game lol

Juninho, Pierre Van Hooijdonk, Mihalovic etc....shit Recoba might have better stats. Ronaldo did a lot of things but he didn't revolutionize free kicks man...he did revolutionize Man U supporterz fanboyism lol
 
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