northside7
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Valentinez A. Kaiser;c-9646458 said:
They were speaking the truth.
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Arsene Wenger: Decision on Arsenal manager's future at end of season
By David Ornstein
BBC Sport
6 minutes ago From the section Football
A decision on the future of Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger will be made at the end of the season.
Despite Wednesday's Champions League last-16 first leg thrashing at Bayern Munich, there is currently no prospect of Wenger leaving before the summer.
The 67-year-old has already been offered a new contract and it remains on the table.
It is expected the decision for him to stay or leave will be mutual between the Frenchman and the club.
Wenger has been in charge of Arsenal since 1996 but his current deal with the Premier League club expires at the end of the season.
More to follow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38991573
By David Ornstein
BBC Sport
6 minutes ago From the section Football
A decision on the future of Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger will be made at the end of the season.
Despite Wednesday's Champions League last-16 first leg thrashing at Bayern Munich, there is currently no prospect of Wenger leaving before the summer.
The 67-year-old has already been offered a new contract and it remains on the table.
It is expected the decision for him to stay or leave will be mutual between the Frenchman and the club.
Wenger has been in charge of Arsenal since 1996 but his current deal with the Premier League club expires at the end of the season.
More to follow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38991573
water ur seeds
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Its like the AFTV guys have become a family, Troopz adlibs when Claude talks are quality haha
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northside7
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Clattenburg quitting is terrible news. He's always fair when calling an Arsenal game.
Why the fuck couldn't Mike Dean quit? Smh.
Why the fuck couldn't Mike Dean quit? Smh.
Young_Chitlin
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@Figo compadre Cavani's goal vs Barca would make batigol proud
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Young_Chitlin
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Figo;c-9646954 said:
As long as he doesn't score vs Peru hehe
northside7
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It doesn't matter where the media outlet is located in the world, they all have it out for Arsenal.
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DNB1;c-9647108 said:
At least we would win a European competition with him.
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Obsession over who can fill Wenger’s shoes obscures Arsenal’s real problems
The true football nous on the board disappeared with David Dein and it is questionable whether anyone at Arsenal is qualified to choose a successor to a manager more powerful than any other in the world
It is 21 years since anyone at Arsenal has had to contemplate appointing a manager. In the summer of 1996, after a fifth-placed finish (on goal difference) Bruce Rioch was shown the door, with no successor in place. But what the club did have was a vice-chairman steeped in football, a lifelong fan and an expert negotiator. David Dein had tried to persuade the board to appoint an unknown Frenchman 18 months earlier but his advice was ignored. This time he was not to be denied. So confident was he in his choice that the club were willing to wait until October for Arsène Wenger’s arrival – going through the first couple of months of the season with two different caretaker managers.
Now, with Wenger’s time surely coming to an end, everyone is running through the contenders to replace him – Thomas Tuchel, Eddie Howe, Diego Simeone. It’s a plum job – a cash-rich club with a strong squad that has not managed to challenge for the league title in more than a decade and a fanbase crying out for a change; any change. But while the obsession over who can fill Wenger’s shoes is understandable, it obscures the real problems.
Dein left in April 2007 after trying to engineer the sale of the club – he divested his shares in August of that year – and despite maintaining a close friendship with the manager he no longer has any ties to Arsenal. No direct replacement has ever been appointed.
Everybody is aware by now of the way Wenger’s role has spread beyond that of any other manager in world football. He controls every detail of the club, from the food in the canteen to the length of grass on the training pitches. He dictates the transfer targets, the fees, the size of the contracts. It was not always so. When Dein was at the club theirs was a true partnership – a partnership of equals, both willing to challenge the other. He was a constant presence at all levels of the club, as Ian Wright put it: “We’re talking about a man who goes into the dressing room after every single game, shakes every player by the hand and who knows all the youth team players.”
It was Dein who went out and signed Sol Campbell on a free transfer from Tottenham, offering what were then astounding wages to beat the richest clubs in the world to the punch and sign their biggest rivals’ captain. Could you imagine today’s Arsenal attempting a similarly audacious move? The £40m plus £1 offer for Luis Suárez a few years ago springs to mind.
Dein’s functions were replaced to a degree but his role was split across numerous executives, none with his footballing nous, his feel for the club, or with the power base to push Wenger to strive for more. Ivan Gazidis arrived as the chief executive in 2009 – an appointment signed off by the manager. The governance structure has to be questioned when the person supposedly in charge of the day-to-day running of the organisation joins on the say-so of somebody whose job they should be overseeing. The American was not a complete stranger to the sport but his familiarity with football comes from 14 years at MLS, perhaps a good grounding for growing the brand but not much help in negotiating the backrooms of European football.
Another American joined as an executive later that year to oversee transfers. Dick Law has become the focus of much ire from Arsenal fans for the club’s supposed dithering over targets and fees. The truth is harder to discern. Law had been involved on a small scale for years and helped with the signing of Gilberto Silva in 2002 but the sometimes shambolic nature of Arsenal’s transfer business since his appointment is hard to ignore.
The summer of 2011 has stuck in the mind. The inevitable, and entirely predictable, departures of Cesc Fàbregas and Samir Nasri were stalled until the last possible moment – while Law was in Costa Rica engaging in a lengthy negotiation for a young winger called Joel Campbell. This was followed by a crazed trolley dash after the 8-2 humiliation at Old Trafford. Park Chu-young, André Santos, Mikel Arteta and Per Mertesacker arrived as the transfer window closed. This was not a well-planned squad restructure – it stank of desperation. But who was to blame? Is Law the bumbling amateur some imagine, or is he just unable to challenge the man who makes all the football decisions at Arsenal? It’s hard to imagine Dein allowing the club’s two most creative players to leave within a week of each other without having lined up a replacement.
This power vacuum above Wenger goes right up to the owner, Stan Kroenke. There is no doubt the American bought the club as an investment and a very sound one it has proven. With the manager able to deliver a top-four finish seemingly in perpetuity, the money keeps rolling in. Why rock the boat? He is rarely at the ground and seems more than happy to let Wenger act as a lightning rod for any criticism. This is an absentee owner with no knowledge or interest in football. Beneath him Sir Chips Keswick acts as chairman, a man who confesses to being no football expert, and who, when asked about the club’s continued failure to get beyond the last 16 in the Champions League, described exasperation from fans as “just noise”.
Arsenal are the seventh richest club in the world, with huge cash reserves and a large, modern stadium. The squad have improved vastly in recent seasons but the failures have remained eerily similar since 2008. The common factor is the manager. Would any other club of a similar stature really allow this kind of stasis to have continued for so long?
The problem is that should the manager make the decision to leave – and make no mistake, it will be his decision – is there anybody senior at the club with extensive football knowledge? It’s all very well asking who can replace Arsène Wenger but the real question is whether there is anyone left at Arsenal who is qualified to choose his successor.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/16/arsene-wenger-arsenal-david-dein-successor-manager
The true football nous on the board disappeared with David Dein and it is questionable whether anyone at Arsenal is qualified to choose a successor to a manager more powerful than any other in the world
It is 21 years since anyone at Arsenal has had to contemplate appointing a manager. In the summer of 1996, after a fifth-placed finish (on goal difference) Bruce Rioch was shown the door, with no successor in place. But what the club did have was a vice-chairman steeped in football, a lifelong fan and an expert negotiator. David Dein had tried to persuade the board to appoint an unknown Frenchman 18 months earlier but his advice was ignored. This time he was not to be denied. So confident was he in his choice that the club were willing to wait until October for Arsène Wenger’s arrival – going through the first couple of months of the season with two different caretaker managers.
Now, with Wenger’s time surely coming to an end, everyone is running through the contenders to replace him – Thomas Tuchel, Eddie Howe, Diego Simeone. It’s a plum job – a cash-rich club with a strong squad that has not managed to challenge for the league title in more than a decade and a fanbase crying out for a change; any change. But while the obsession over who can fill Wenger’s shoes is understandable, it obscures the real problems.
Dein left in April 2007 after trying to engineer the sale of the club – he divested his shares in August of that year – and despite maintaining a close friendship with the manager he no longer has any ties to Arsenal. No direct replacement has ever been appointed.
Everybody is aware by now of the way Wenger’s role has spread beyond that of any other manager in world football. He controls every detail of the club, from the food in the canteen to the length of grass on the training pitches. He dictates the transfer targets, the fees, the size of the contracts. It was not always so. When Dein was at the club theirs was a true partnership – a partnership of equals, both willing to challenge the other. He was a constant presence at all levels of the club, as Ian Wright put it: “We’re talking about a man who goes into the dressing room after every single game, shakes every player by the hand and who knows all the youth team players.”
It was Dein who went out and signed Sol Campbell on a free transfer from Tottenham, offering what were then astounding wages to beat the richest clubs in the world to the punch and sign their biggest rivals’ captain. Could you imagine today’s Arsenal attempting a similarly audacious move? The £40m plus £1 offer for Luis Suárez a few years ago springs to mind.
Dein’s functions were replaced to a degree but his role was split across numerous executives, none with his footballing nous, his feel for the club, or with the power base to push Wenger to strive for more. Ivan Gazidis arrived as the chief executive in 2009 – an appointment signed off by the manager. The governance structure has to be questioned when the person supposedly in charge of the day-to-day running of the organisation joins on the say-so of somebody whose job they should be overseeing. The American was not a complete stranger to the sport but his familiarity with football comes from 14 years at MLS, perhaps a good grounding for growing the brand but not much help in negotiating the backrooms of European football.
Another American joined as an executive later that year to oversee transfers. Dick Law has become the focus of much ire from Arsenal fans for the club’s supposed dithering over targets and fees. The truth is harder to discern. Law had been involved on a small scale for years and helped with the signing of Gilberto Silva in 2002 but the sometimes shambolic nature of Arsenal’s transfer business since his appointment is hard to ignore.
The summer of 2011 has stuck in the mind. The inevitable, and entirely predictable, departures of Cesc Fàbregas and Samir Nasri were stalled until the last possible moment – while Law was in Costa Rica engaging in a lengthy negotiation for a young winger called Joel Campbell. This was followed by a crazed trolley dash after the 8-2 humiliation at Old Trafford. Park Chu-young, André Santos, Mikel Arteta and Per Mertesacker arrived as the transfer window closed. This was not a well-planned squad restructure – it stank of desperation. But who was to blame? Is Law the bumbling amateur some imagine, or is he just unable to challenge the man who makes all the football decisions at Arsenal? It’s hard to imagine Dein allowing the club’s two most creative players to leave within a week of each other without having lined up a replacement.
This power vacuum above Wenger goes right up to the owner, Stan Kroenke. There is no doubt the American bought the club as an investment and a very sound one it has proven. With the manager able to deliver a top-four finish seemingly in perpetuity, the money keeps rolling in. Why rock the boat? He is rarely at the ground and seems more than happy to let Wenger act as a lightning rod for any criticism. This is an absentee owner with no knowledge or interest in football. Beneath him Sir Chips Keswick acts as chairman, a man who confesses to being no football expert, and who, when asked about the club’s continued failure to get beyond the last 16 in the Champions League, described exasperation from fans as “just noise”.
Arsenal are the seventh richest club in the world, with huge cash reserves and a large, modern stadium. The squad have improved vastly in recent seasons but the failures have remained eerily similar since 2008. The common factor is the manager. Would any other club of a similar stature really allow this kind of stasis to have continued for so long?
The problem is that should the manager make the decision to leave – and make no mistake, it will be his decision – is there anybody senior at the club with extensive football knowledge? It’s all very well asking who can replace Arsène Wenger but the real question is whether there is anyone left at Arsenal who is qualified to choose his successor.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/16/arsene-wenger-arsenal-david-dein-successor-manager
northside7
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DNB1;c-9647108 said:
I'm hearing Allegri could be next. I still want Simeone.
dontdiedontkillanyon
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An Arsene Wenger exit wouldn't solve all the problems at rudderless Arsenal
BY ANDREW MANGAN
In the wake of Arsenal's humiliating 5-1 defeat to Bayern Munich in the Champions League on Wednesday night, further questions have been raised about Arsene Wenger's future.
The Frenchman's contract will expire in June, and although there's a two-year extension waiting to be signed, it would be less and less surprising if he decided not to renew.
That Wenger is the one who will decide speaks to an incredible imbalance within the football club from a board that has long absolved itself of the responsibility. Back in 2011, chief executive Ivan Gazidis signalled its intentions by saying it would be fans who would decide on Wenger's future, not the board.
"Arsene is ultimately accountable to the fans," he said.
"They ultimately make judgment. If you are seeing the relationship between the fans and the manager break down over time, that is unsustainable. But I don't think we are anywhere near that."
Not only has that Gazidis quote contributed in some way to the increasingly noisy culture of Wenger criticism, it's an almost unprecedented situation in topflight football where the manager is the master of his own destiny in this way. It also highlights just how much influence Wenger has at the club and what an enormous task Arsenal have when the time comes to replace him.
The 67-year-old is one of the last legacy managers -- he manages the entire club. He's the head coach, the one who picks the team, the man who calls the shots on transfers. He's involved in player negotiations regarding contracts and salaries; he's the sporting director, the director of football and more.
The modern coach does not want to fulfill all those duties. These days, you'd say it would be foolish to even try -- such are the demands from the playing side of things. To be distracted by business that could, and should, be carried out by other men seems self-defeating.
So, Arsenal need to put those people in place. They have to completely modernise the footballing structures within the club to make themselves ready for an era in which managers/coaches move around with much greater frequency. Three or four seasons, then it's off to somewhere new. Right now, they're not in good shape in that regard.
The other thing they must begin to deal with, as a matter of urgency, is the dearth of football knowledge and experience at board level. Compare and contrast with Wednesday night's victors, Bayern Munich.
Their chairman is Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, an ex-player with a deep understanding of football and the club. Arsenal's is Sir Chips Keswick, a merchant banker and little more than a figurehead. Bayern's sporting director was Matthias Sammer, until he left in 2016. Inspirational captain Philipp Lahm has been tipped to take over the role when he retires at the end of the season. Arsenal don't have an equivalent role at the club.
They have Stan Kroenke, a billionaire businessman with no sporting ambition, and his son Josh, who knows as much about Arsenal and English football as he does about performing complex spinal surgery on bats. There is a shortfall here that must also be addressed if Arsenal, as a football club, are to progress.
Ken Friar, a true Arsenal man, has seen many changes down the years, but at 82 he is not, with the greatest of respect, a man for the future. And then we have Gazidis, a well-connected and a competent administrator but, as illustrated previously, someone lacking either the conviction or authority required for a role of his stature.
When Wenger goes, he will leave a vacuum, and there ought to be alarm bells ringing all over the Emirates at that prospect. The idea they can just get a new man in to do all the things the current man does is beyond ludicrous.
Unless they start putting in place the structures they require straight away, the impact of the Frenchman's departure may be even more significant than people think.
Andrew Mangan is one of ESPN FC's Arsenal bloggers. You can follow him on Twitter: @arseblog.
http://www.espnfc.com/club/arsenal/...-solve-all-the-problems-at-rudderless-arsenal
BY ANDREW MANGAN
In the wake of Arsenal's humiliating 5-1 defeat to Bayern Munich in the Champions League on Wednesday night, further questions have been raised about Arsene Wenger's future.
The Frenchman's contract will expire in June, and although there's a two-year extension waiting to be signed, it would be less and less surprising if he decided not to renew.
That Wenger is the one who will decide speaks to an incredible imbalance within the football club from a board that has long absolved itself of the responsibility. Back in 2011, chief executive Ivan Gazidis signalled its intentions by saying it would be fans who would decide on Wenger's future, not the board.
"Arsene is ultimately accountable to the fans," he said.
"They ultimately make judgment. If you are seeing the relationship between the fans and the manager break down over time, that is unsustainable. But I don't think we are anywhere near that."
Not only has that Gazidis quote contributed in some way to the increasingly noisy culture of Wenger criticism, it's an almost unprecedented situation in topflight football where the manager is the master of his own destiny in this way. It also highlights just how much influence Wenger has at the club and what an enormous task Arsenal have when the time comes to replace him.
The 67-year-old is one of the last legacy managers -- he manages the entire club. He's the head coach, the one who picks the team, the man who calls the shots on transfers. He's involved in player negotiations regarding contracts and salaries; he's the sporting director, the director of football and more.
The modern coach does not want to fulfill all those duties. These days, you'd say it would be foolish to even try -- such are the demands from the playing side of things. To be distracted by business that could, and should, be carried out by other men seems self-defeating.
So, Arsenal need to put those people in place. They have to completely modernise the footballing structures within the club to make themselves ready for an era in which managers/coaches move around with much greater frequency. Three or four seasons, then it's off to somewhere new. Right now, they're not in good shape in that regard.
The other thing they must begin to deal with, as a matter of urgency, is the dearth of football knowledge and experience at board level. Compare and contrast with Wednesday night's victors, Bayern Munich.
Their chairman is Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, an ex-player with a deep understanding of football and the club. Arsenal's is Sir Chips Keswick, a merchant banker and little more than a figurehead. Bayern's sporting director was Matthias Sammer, until he left in 2016. Inspirational captain Philipp Lahm has been tipped to take over the role when he retires at the end of the season. Arsenal don't have an equivalent role at the club.
They have Stan Kroenke, a billionaire businessman with no sporting ambition, and his son Josh, who knows as much about Arsenal and English football as he does about performing complex spinal surgery on bats. There is a shortfall here that must also be addressed if Arsenal, as a football club, are to progress.
Ken Friar, a true Arsenal man, has seen many changes down the years, but at 82 he is not, with the greatest of respect, a man for the future. And then we have Gazidis, a well-connected and a competent administrator but, as illustrated previously, someone lacking either the conviction or authority required for a role of his stature.
When Wenger goes, he will leave a vacuum, and there ought to be alarm bells ringing all over the Emirates at that prospect. The idea they can just get a new man in to do all the things the current man does is beyond ludicrous.
Unless they start putting in place the structures they require straight away, the impact of the Frenchman's departure may be even more significant than people think.
Andrew Mangan is one of ESPN FC's Arsenal bloggers. You can follow him on Twitter: @arseblog.
http://www.espnfc.com/club/arsenal/...-solve-all-the-problems-at-rudderless-arsenal
