The Official 2013 New Orleans Saints thread

[ZydecoShawty]

I like Bradford.

His best WR ever was Danny A. Who was never on the field and now Austin is his best threat.

Two lil niggas.

Coach would work magic with him. The arm talent and read progression is there but the players around him is worst in the league and been that way since he got drafted. The Jags had more talent on offense the Rams since Bradford got there..

And would be great if he sit behind Breeus (build that man a statue) for at least a season.

Kirk Cousins to me has the intangibles. Now that RG3 has been brought back to earth. I dont see them letting him walk just yet. I have been a Cousins fan since his time at Michigan State. Under Payton I believe he will be a good not great QB.

RGIII ain't play all preseason and he's still thrown for 975 yards and 5 TDs with a 63% completion percentage which is still better than three-fourths of the quarterbacks in this league. How exactly is that being brought back to earth? Cause he ain't breaking long runs out of the read-option?

Cause he is looking like Tebow in the first half of games. That is why he was brought back to earth.

Check the stats and check the game film.
http://www.nfl.com/player/robertgriffiniii/2533033/situationalstats

Is RGIII better than Kirk Cousins. Yes. But if he start turning into Freeman. Kirk Cousins has shown that he can navigate the ship just fine.

Why are you not acknowledging the fact that dude didn't play in the preseason? Timing matters to an offense, especially the quarterback position.

I can acknowledge it but he still sucks in the first half of games. It has been three games he caught fire in the last half. Preseason has nothing to do with that. Why is he waiting? Is he waiting for the other teams to get tired?

You seem biased dude. Like you waiting on dude to fail so you can yell, " See, I told you so!"

 

[PaperPlaneJane]

I rather draft one of these read option quarterbacks than waste years of life on these average traditional pocket passers who can't read defenses.

As opposed to drafting a read option quarter back that can't read defenses or be accurate and constantly injured cuz the constantly running out of the pocket.

If SP is the coach a read option QB WILL NOT be drafted. SP systems is built off accuracy and making reads and the QB staying in the pocket & up right. Payton is gonna draft a QB who is very smart and accurate.

I personally am not a believer in all these Read-option dudes "taking over the league"....traditional QBs like Payton, Brady, Brees are the dudes that last 10+ years and are true franchise QBs that can bring you championships and winning seasons. Only one of these new dudes I can see being really that successful is Russell Wilson, and that's mostly because he has a good young team built around him already. All that running might look good in the stats and exciting on Redzone and shit but once defense figure it out for the most part they look ordinary.

You want your QB to be smart enough to go thru ALL they progression reads and can dissect any kind of defense on the fly. Not a QB that can be figured out after 1 or 2 seasons. We've been thru all this hoopla before with Vick back in the day and he's yet to win a 'ship or even stay healthy enough to paly a whole season.

Now if you want a QB who has the smarts and accuracy of a traditional Franchise QB but the wheels to run out the pocket when absolutely nothing is open look at Rodgers or even Luck. That's what I would look for if I was drafting a heir apparent to Brees.

 

[caddo man]

@ZydecoShawty

Bruh I want dude to succeed. I wanted Vick to succeed (on another team). I wanted Aaron Brooks to succeed. I wanted Josh Freeman to succeed (on another team).

Everybody cant win. And right now dude fucking up. Can he improve, yes. Second half shows he can. Can he get worst, Yes. Detroit game showed even with the defense stepping up, He is going to have to be the catalyst for this offense.

Right now RGIII is the sophmore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

I rather draft one of these read option quarterbacks than waste years of life on these average traditional pocket passers who can't read defenses.

As opposed to drafting a read option quarter back that can't read defenses or be accurate and constantly injured cuz the constantly running out of the pocket.

If SP is the coach a read option QB WILL NOT be drafted. SP systems is built off accuracy and making reads and the QB staying in the pocket & up right. Payton is gonna draft a QB who is very smart and accurate.

I personally am not a believer in all these Read-option dudes "taking over the league"....traditional QBs like Payton, Brady, Brees are the dudes that last 10+ years and are true franchise QBs that can bring you championships and winning seasons. Only one of these new dudes I can see being really that successful is Russell Wilson, and that's mostly because he has a good young team built around him already. All that running might look good in the stats and exciting on Redzone and shit but once defense figure it out for the most part they look ordinary.

You want your QB to be smart enough to go thru ALL they progression reads and can dissect any kind of defense on the fly. Not a QB that can be figured out after 1 or 2 seasons. We've been thru all this hoopla before with Vick back in the day and he's yet to win a 'ship or even stay healthy enough to paly a whole season.

Now if you want a QB who has the smarts and accuracy of a traditional Franchise QB but the wheels to run out the pocket when absolutely nothing is open look at Rodgers or even Luck. That's what I would look for if I was drafting a heir apparent to Brees.

Why do people operate under this mystique that ELITE traditional pocket passers grow on trees and are very easy for NFL franchises to find? ELITE pocket passers in the NFL are like what franchise centers are to the NBA. They're not easy to find.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

@ZydecoShawty

Bruh I want dude to succeed. I wanted Vick to succeed (on another team). I wanted Aaron Brooks to succeed. I wanted Josh Freeman to succeed (on another team).

Everybody cant win. And right now dude fucking up. Can he improve, yes. Second half shows he can. Can he get worst, Yes. Detroit game showed even with the defense stepping up, He is going to have to be the catalyst for this offense.

Right now RGIII is the sophmore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

This dude came off a major knee surgery and missed the entire preseason and you acting like dude supposed to come in and pick up where left off from last season? Entirely unrealistic on your part. He didn't get hit ONCE during training camp but you acting like dude should be entirely in sync with his offense at NFL speed?

 

[ZydecoShawty]

If the progression of any read option quarterback that needs to be questioned b it's Cam. But RGIII coming off major knee surgery is not credible and reeks of closet racists bias.

 

[caddo man]

@ZydecoShawty

Bruh I want dude to succeed. I wanted Vick to succeed (on another team). I wanted Aaron Brooks to succeed. I wanted Josh Freeman to succeed (on another team).

Everybody cant win. And right now dude fucking up. Can he improve, yes. Second half shows he can. Can he get worst, Yes. Detroit game showed even with the defense stepping up, He is going to have to be the catalyst for this offense.

Right now RGIII is the sophmore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

This dude came off a major knee surgery and missed the entire preseason and you acting like dude supposed to come in and pick up where left off from last season? Entirely unrealistic on your part. He didn't get hit ONCE during training camp but you acting like dude should be entirely in sync with his offense at NFL speed?

So why is he doing so well in the second half. The effects wear off after half time.

 

[PaperPlaneJane]

I rather draft one of these read option quarterbacks than waste years of life on these average traditional pocket passers who can't read defenses.

As opposed to drafting a read option quarter back that can't read defenses or be accurate and constantly injured cuz the constantly running out of the pocket.

If SP is the coach a read option QB WILL NOT be drafted. SP systems is built off accuracy and making reads and the QB staying in the pocket & up right. Payton is gonna draft a QB who is very smart and accurate.

I personally am not a believer in all these Read-option dudes "taking over the league"....traditional QBs like Payton, Brady, Brees are the dudes that last 10+ years and are true franchise QBs that can bring you championships and winning seasons. Only one of these new dudes I can see being really that successful is Russell Wilson, and that's mostly because he has a good young team built around him already. All that running might look good in the stats and exciting on Redzone and shit but once defense figure it out for the most part they look ordinary.

You want your QB to be smart enough to go thru ALL they progression reads and can dissect any kind of defense on the fly. Not a QB that can be figured out after 1 or 2 seasons. We've been thru all this hoopla before with Vick back in the day and he's yet to win a 'ship or even stay healthy enough to paly a whole season.

Now if you want a QB who has the smarts and accuracy of a traditional Franchise QB but the wheels to run out the pocket when absolutely nothing is open look at Rodgers or even Luck. That's what I would look for if I was drafting a heir apparent to Brees.

Why do people operate under this mystique that ELITE traditional pocket passers grow on trees and are very easy for NFL franchises to find? ELITE pocket passers in the NFL are like what franchise centers are to the NBA. They're not easy to find.

I never said it would be easy to find. But you would want to draft someone who at least have some of the traits and potential to become elite or good enough to win under your system.

Elite status comes with development from coaching. The Elite traditional guys I listed didn't come out of school winning off top. The progressed into the QBs they are today because of the consistent coaching and training they put in. Guys like Brady, Brees & Peyton have routines and training they done consistently for YEARS because they don't have the athleticism that a Vick, RGIII, Cam have to fall back on to get them out of situations.

In cases for like Cam & RGIII, I believe they have the potential because they have they can throw. But its been the coaching/development part they've been lacking and that's not really their fault because their coaches in school have relied on their running ability to win games instead of developing their read progressions and working more out of the pocket.

What happened when you've torn you ACL 2-3 times and you just can't run no more but still have a good arm. Its not gone help none if nobody every taught you how to read defense and go through your progressions.

In RGIII's case I put his lack of success this season on the Redskins organization bringing him back when he wasn't really ready to play......and remember this is not the first ACL he's torn.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

@ZydecoShawty

Bruh I want dude to succeed. I wanted Vick to succeed (on another team). I wanted Aaron Brooks to succeed. I wanted Josh Freeman to succeed (on another team).

Everybody cant win. And right now dude fucking up. Can he improve, yes. Second half shows he can. Can he get worst, Yes. Detroit game showed even with the defense stepping up, He is going to have to be the catalyst for this offense.

Right now RGIII is the sophmore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

This dude came off a major knee surgery and missed the entire preseason and you acting like dude supposed to come in and pick up where left off from last season? Entirely unrealistic on your part. He didn't get hit ONCE during training camp but you acting like dude should be entirely in sync with his offense at NFL speed?

So why is he doing so well in the second half. The effects wear off after half time.

How bout you interview RGIII so you can ask him yourself Mr. QB analyst.

 

[caddo man]

@ZydecoShawty

Bruh I want dude to succeed. I wanted Vick to succeed (on another team). I wanted Aaron Brooks to succeed. I wanted Josh Freeman to succeed (on another team).

Everybody cant win. And right now dude fucking up. Can he improve, yes. Second half shows he can. Can he get worst, Yes. Detroit game showed even with the defense stepping up, He is going to have to be the catalyst for this offense.

Right now RGIII is the sophmore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

This dude came off a major knee surgery and missed the entire preseason and you acting like dude supposed to come in and pick up where left off from last season? Entirely unrealistic on your part. He didn't get hit ONCE during training camp but you acting like dude should be entirely in sync with his offense at NFL speed?

So why is he doing so well in the second half. The effects wear off after half time.

How bout you interview RGIII so you can ask him yourself Mr. QB analyst.

I didnt analyze anything. I just stated the facts. If he does well the rest of the year, Good on him. And like PPJ said I think he came back to early. I think he should have sat out for some time.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

@ZydecoShawty

Bruh I want dude to succeed. I wanted Vick to succeed (on another team). I wanted Aaron Brooks to succeed. I wanted Josh Freeman to succeed (on another team).

Everybody cant win. And right now dude fucking up. Can he improve, yes. Second half shows he can. Can he get worst, Yes. Detroit game showed even with the defense stepping up, He is going to have to be the catalyst for this offense.

Right now RGIII is the sophmore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

This dude came off a major knee surgery and missed the entire preseason and you acting like dude supposed to come in and pick up where left off from last season? Entirely unrealistic on your part. He didn't get hit ONCE during training camp but you acting like dude should be entirely in sync with his offense at NFL speed?

So why is he doing so well in the second half. The effects wear off after half time.

How bout you interview RGIII so you can ask him yourself Mr. QB analyst.

I didnt analyze anything. I just stated the facts. If he does well the rest of the year, Good on him. And like PPJ said I think he came back to early. I think he should have sat out for some time.

Facts is there's two halfs in a game right? But your whole argument is based off what RGIII did in the the first half. What if he played well in the first half and stunk it up in the second half three games in a row and their defense didn't play well enough to hold them the lead in all three games? Does RGIII still get all the blame too? I mean, there's two halfs in a game right?

 

[caddo man]

Facts is there's two halfs in a game right? But your whole argument is based off what RGIII did in the the first half. What if he played well in the first half and stunk it up in the second half three games in a row and their defense didn't play well enough to hold them the lead in all three games? Does RGIII still get all the blame too? I mean, there's two halfs in a game right?

Right now RGIII is the sophomore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

Add Kaep to the list also. Even though he is 2-2.

I hope they improve.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

Facts is there's two halfs in a game right? But your whole argument is based off what RGIII did in the the first half. What if he played well in the first half and stunk it up in the second half three games in a row and their defense didn't play well enough to hold them the lead in all three games? Does RGIII still get all the blame too? I mean, there's two halfs in a game right?

Right now RGIII is the sophomore slumper of that amazing QB class until proven other wise. Proving otherwise means playing well during a whole game. Being consistent, again.

Add Kaep to the list also. Even though he is 2-2.

I hope they improve.

Hold up? Isn't there a thing called 4th quarter comebacks that people love to rate quarterbacks on? I mean, you ain't gone enter every game clicking on all cylinders and there's going to be times where you're gonna have to lead your team from behind. And with the way the Redskins defense is playing, it's looking like RGIII is gonna have lead them from behind quite a bit this season.

 

[caddo man]

Lets get it Monday.

 

[ZydecoShawty]

We gotta continue to play good coverage in the secondary and get after the quarterback. Hopefully, we can get the running game going throughout the middle of the game so we can give Drew some help.

 

[jee504]

As long as the D-line plays great with some good push we'll be fine on defense.

Offensively we have to run the ball to take pressure off of Brees

My prediction we win 28-17.

 

[Shizlansky]

I wanna see a bigger role for Stills this game.

 

[PaperPlaneJane]

Drew Brees is Mr. Monday Night....

 

[jee504]

We're gonna need to run the ball better once we get in the playoffs. You need that running game when you got a lead and you wanna milk the clock.

 

[caddo man]

Might have to change my sig or avi.