The Mystic Texts of Early Christians----Self study, everywhere the same?

[Rock_Well]

Truth cannot be plural if it objectively exists. It can't be self-contradictory.

Jesus says the word of God is truth. Scripture tells us it is impossible for God to lie.

The fact that scrolls exist don't automatically mean the teachings came from the mind of God or that they the word of God. That is to be established by comparing the writings previously known to be from God to the writings of the scrolls in question.

You going to run into major problems trying to blend every 'spiritual' writing of men together with God word because the same source is not behind all of them. Try to blend them all together and you no longer dealing with the truth.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Truth cannot be plural if it objectively exists. It can't be self-contradictory.

Jesus says the word of God is truth. Scripture tells us it is impossible for God to lie.

The fact that scrolls exist don't automatically mean the teachings came from the mind of God or that they the word of God. That is to be established by comparing the writings previously known to be from God to the writings of the scrolls in question.

You going to run into major problems trying to blend every 'spiritual' writing of men together with God word because the same source is not behind all of them. Try to blend them all together and you no longer dealing with the truth.

What has been written by god himself?

 

[And Step]

Truth cannot be plural if it objectively exists. It can't be self-contradictory.

Jesus says the word of God is truth. Scripture tells us it is impossible for God to lie.

The fact that scrolls exist don't automatically mean the teachings came from the mind of God or that they the word of God. That is to be established by comparing the writings previously known to be from God to the writings of the scrolls in question.

You going to run into major problems trying to blend every 'spiritual' writing of men together with God word because the same source is not behind all of them. Try to blend them all together and you no longer dealing with the truth.

Problem with that is, that you assign word of God Status to a book that was written by someone other than God. The Whole new testament was supposedly wriiten by others after Jesus ascended. No where in the 66 books can you deduce that God wrote it. Best you can say is that the writers were inspired by God. So in essence there is nothing different of the claim of those scrolls except your perception of what they are.

 

[Rock_Well]

What has been written by god himself?

It's not bout that. It's about who has the right claim authorship to the words in the writings and who it originates from. The Bible claims it's author is God.

But anyway, a similar question was asked before the written word even came into existence - "And if you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?" (Deuteronomy 18:21)

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him." (Deuteronomy 18:22)



That's just one of the two tests. People before the written word existed were able to recognize what words were not from God by this one test (and another i will post if needed to further make my point)...it's a wonder why people feel the need to have some sort of additional miraculous confirmation of what's what before they can recognize who the writings of the complete message come from now that it's here for us all to see....

But then again, the Bible often appears, to a lot of people, only to be as good as the person who's bringing the case for it or against it presents it to be.

 

[Rock_Well]

Problem with that is, that you assign word of God Status to a book that was written by someone other than God. The Whole new testament was supposedly wriiten by others after Jesus ascended. No where in the 66 books can you deduce that God wrote it. Best you can say is that the writers were inspired by God. So in essence there is nothing different of the claim of those scrolls except your perception of what they are.

I've never seen anywhere in the Bible where it tell us to accept it as just some inspired 'document of men about God' which is what the implication here seems to be.

And 'inspiration', the way it's used in the Biblical sense is not to be understood as being in the same way like how an artist gets inspired to paint a painting on some random day

 

[Alkindus]

It's not bout that. It's about who has the right claim authorship to the words in the writings and who it originates from. The Bible claims it's author is God.

But anyway, a similar question was asked before the written word even came into existence - "And if you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?" (Deuteronomy 18:21)

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him." (Deuteronomy 18:22)



That's just one of the two tests. People before the written word existed were able to recognize what words were not from God by this one test (and another i will post if needed to further make my point)...it's a wonder why people feel the need to have some sort of additional miraculous confirmation of what's what before they can recognize who the writings of the complete message come from now that it's here for us all to see....

But then again, the Bible often appears, to a lot of people, only to be as good as the person who's bringing the case for it or against it presents it to be.

You speak and write a languege which was not Gods.

Thats why God couldn't have wrote the bible. It is the work of men, just think.

lost in translation and interpertation, the absence of the authors......reading the words of dead men. they are not hear to say what that meant, if that is even possible to express their true meaning with words....this is why God is all of us and everything(from the desert fathers to your brother) because God doesn't belief in symbols/labels. WORDS. If you seek pelgrimage, just keep your mouth closed.