The Jigga Man Shawn Carter aka JayZ Official Thread...

[Question Authority]

But where is DMX now? To be the best you have to sell millions, release quality music and dominate the game over a long period of time. Hov has done this. You can't pop for a minute and only outsell someone for two years. That's nothing. Maybe X would have sold more if he stayed off the crack, but the fact remains that Dmx fell off, while Hov stayed on top and took the crown.

What I'm saying, though, is that you're using Jay's 50 Million Albums sold worldwide to justify his apparent "GOAT" status. But when you actually look at it, 50 million, from 11 studio albums, is not that impressive of a number.

It wouldn't be hard to accumulate 50 million in sales when you release as much music as Jay does.

50 Cent is pushing like 40 million worldwide, if he hasn't surpassed it already...from just four studio albums. That, to me, is a lot more impressive.

Same with DMX.

My point is that if these artists had 11 albums to their name, they would have easily attained those sales.

Not to discredit Jay, but 50 million from 11 studio albums is nothing.

 

[blakrozze_fan]

Jay-z Is nottin.

 

[blakrozze_fan]

Neva Change is obese.

 

[NevaChange]

What I'm saying, though, is that you're using Jay's 50 Million Albums sold worldwide to justify his apparent "GOAT" status. But when you actually look at it, 50 million, from 11 studio albums, is not that impressive of a number.

It wouldn't be hard to accumulate 50 million in sales when you release as much music as Jay does.

50 Cent is pushing like 40 million worldwide, if he hasn't surpassed it already...from just four studio albums. That, to me, is a lot more impressive.

Same with DMX.

My point is that if these artists had 11 albums to their name, they would have easily attained those sales.

Not to discredit Jay, but 50 million from 11 studio albums is nothing.

Fair point, but I wasn't only using Hov's sales to explain his goat status. I also mentioned his catalogue, impact on the game, influence on his peers, and longevity in the business. The reason why Hov has a claim for GOAT status is because he's released quality albums, sold records and stayed relevant for a long period of time.

 

[Question Authority]

Fair point, but I wasn't only using Hov's sales to explain his goat status. I also mentioned his catalogue, impact on the game, influence on his peers, and longevity in the business. The reason why Hov has a claim for GOAT status is because he's released quality albums, sold records and stayed relevant for a long period of time.

Point taken.

But what is it exactly that gives Jay-Z a better case for GOAT than say Nas, if the bolded is the criteria that you're going on? Nas has also released quality albums, sold records, and stayed relevant for a long period time.

Is it because Jay has sold more?

 

[gee757]

If Eminem sold half he would have sold over 30 million records and still out sold Jay Z

You only have to look at Asher Roth, Paul Wall, Bubba Sparxx, Everlast and Cage's record sales to have the brain capacity to see no one buy's records based on an Artist being the same race as them

Now Vanilla Ice sold alot with his debut Album but what happened to his second Album? i rest my case

Then we gotta look at the sales of black Artists like 2pac, Biggie, Nelly, Lil Wayne and Snoop they are black and have sold not as much as Eminem but not that far behind so obviously black Artists have always sold records so of course Eminem would sell records too

If you have genuine talent, make real Hit records, make Music that touches people and have personality then you will sell records if you balance those things out

those white rapperz that u named dont look like a hilter posterboy they dont have blonde hair & blu eyez wit JIMMY IOVINE/DA MACHINE & a uncletom like gay azz dre co-signin them thatz y fem was able 2 pull his gimmick off & rape black musik cuz he had all that!..,,

 

[NevaChange]

Point taken.

But what is it exactly that gives Jay-Z a better case for GOAT than say Nas, if the bolded is the criteria that you're going on? Nas has also released quality albums, sold records, and stayed relevant for a long period time.

Is it because Jay has sold more?

This is true. Nas is as skilled as Hov and has also stayed relevant, but the one thing that separates the two is impact. Hov has taken hip hop to new heights and his music/style influence young people everywhere. Nas has also been very influential in hip hop and his work is admired by man legends, but Hov's impact on rap music is a bit greater, which just tips him above nas.

 

[ShadyTeam]

those white rapperz that u named dont look like a hilter posterboy they dont have blonde hair & blu eyez wit JIMMY IOVINE/DA MACHINE & a uncletom like gay azz dre co-signin them thatz y fem was able 2 pull his gimmick off & rape black musik cuz he had all that!..,,

Do you realize how pale Paul Wall is? you can't tell me that if you gonna sterotype, Paul Wall doesn't look like a redneck from the deep South?

Paul Wall looks like a typical white dude so does Everlast

As for Bubba Sparxx he looks very white to the type of white dude if you go outside you see everyday

Asher Roth has naturally blonde hair and blue eyes

Eminem is of German and Scotish heritage and doesn't even have blonde hair he has dark brown short hair lol

And Eminem if you actually look you will notice he is darker in complextion then Paul Wall, Bubba Sparxx, Everlast & Asher Roth

 

[unbreakable]

.....He became what i think Nas should've been.... a leader in the Hip Hop community and the voice/ face/ representative/ embassador (whatever u wana call him). Nas just didnt have the drive & love for the game which i think he kinda lost with the passing of the above mentioned greats of hip hop.

....yall gotta stop calling this dude a leader....being the most popular DOES NOT make you a LEADER...How can you lead if you don't stand 4 anything, he too politcally correct to be a leader.. Pac was a leader...If it was going down Pac would be with us (the people) Jay-Z would be right over there with the rich people (corporate).. listen to the shit he talks about money, thats the only thing he has over other artist....Leader bring people together....Jay splits them up...(State Property)

 

[unbreakable]

of course wut im speaking is my personal opinion and if u dont agree then who is urs and tell me y

Nas told yall already....."aint no best"...it's just people personal preference...how could one person be considered the best...who the judge?

 

[unbreakable]

Jay is a great lyricist, he didnt bight 70% & not even close to 50% of his lines from Biggie..

He's steals a lot more than lines from Big...he steals lines from all the greats...he also takes other people's song from different regions(Big Pimpin) and blow up off they shit passing it off as his...look @ what he did with the last album..Kid Cudi??...give me a fucking break please...he stole crazy ideas from State P....(Lil Chris)...he stole Chris whole swag with the excuse me miss & with that whisper flow he started doing all of a sudden...wasn't him in wayne was feuding...so he grabs Wayne 4 the "Hello Brooklyn"..inturn he get on "Mr. Carter"..50 right he dont wanna compete wit nobody...

Shawnsha Knowles cant be the GOAT. 70% of his rhymes was taken from good rapper(s)....Big L, Kane, Pac, Nas, and whoever else is hot

 

[unbreakable]

lmfao ^ @ THAT BULLSHIT...lose Yourself by Eminem aint shit

big pimpin >>> lose Yourself

lose youself was all Em (concepts, hook, lyrics)....umm Big Pimpin is a terrible example..its was UGK's song Jay just jumped on it

 

[innercity99]

It's ironic to me that when Jigga advocates talk about him being the great rapper alive and/or of all time, they neglect to mention the fact that Em demolished him on "Renegade" and that Nas had him crying like a little pussy ass bitch on Hot 97.

In order to be the best, you have to beat the best. And whenever Jay competes against the best, he loses.

Catalog and the term "classic" are perceptive. But I'm more than certain that Nas has just as many universally accepted classics that Jay does, if not more. Nas even inspired Jay musically.

And furthermore, Jay is not seeing Em when it comes to commercial accomplishments.

So how exactly is Jay the GOAT?

this is the point i've been tryin to make from the start u say em has the most commercial accomplishments even more then pac so does that make him the goat? though pac is much more realer and more felt in the hip hop community which em is not because he sometimes talks about some crazy ass shit em is nicer then pac thats not a dispute so theres things that pac doesn't do that em does and vice versa but jay is in the same Argument has em as far as nicest goes same argument as far as real shit with pac accomplishments with em and etc... now pac and em are 2 totally different artist though they are both considered to be the goat rightfully so there both legends in there own right but jay brings to the table some of the things pac does and some of the things Em does which is the point i have been tryin 2 make this whole time is that though jay might not be the nicest pac aint even in the discussion but people still claim him to be the goat he may not be the realest but em aint even in the discussion with that and i know people have there own opinion about the definition of the goat but i just feel jay brings everything to the table more then any other artist that i can think of and to me to be the goat means being all around which i believe jay is

and about your "opinion" of how em bodied jay on renegade and nas did the same in ether is just that your "opinion" and though i admit nas went in on jay on ether it wasn't no total murder like nas verse was a 10 lets say but as good as his verse was that dont take away from the fact that jay murdered nas in takeover its just that nas murdered him more id say takeover was a 9 and blueprint 2 was a great verse as well

and as far as renegade em verse was great but jay verse was 2 i say if em verse was a 10 then so was jay's cause me bein from the hood i enjoyed and felt jay's verse more just cause he was talkin bout some real shit in both verses and both verses was nice i just feel niggas just started sayen em bodied jay on renegade just cause nas said it in ether but listen to the verse if u a real nigga u'll appreciate jay's verses

 

[Knightryder]

Def Jam's Entire Rap Discography & Record Sales

notice Bleek and Beans weren't failures as people make it out to seem, they weren't plat but they were gold selling artist

notice how Dmx drop 2 muti selling albums in one year and continued to sell every album he dropped

 

[Carlos Bruise-Her]

Ross won .

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

word up the jigga warriors, camel jockeys, jiggaboos and hovas witnesses need to collectively hop off that mans dick.

Seriously though we should just give them a I love Jigga thread consolidate all there shit and keep it moving from there...

 

[Focal Point]

lmao @ the irony... yes the I love Jay-Z and the I hate Jay-Z threads either need a room or one large thread

 

[Fazeem_Blackall]

lmao @ the irony... yes the I love Jay-Z and the I hate Jay-Z threads either need a room or one large thread

naw they can be one thread because the RocaBoyz will declare their devotion while the Haters can express their disdain and go back and forth...

 

[Focal Point]

naw they can be one thread because the RocaBoyz will declare their devotion while the Haters can express their disdain and go back and forth...

I agree, shit is on the same level that G-Unit had back in the early days of the IC. They had to get their own forum... shit was disgusting

 

[maximus preme]

as long as we consolidate the "i hate jay-z" threads too.