THE FACE OF JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHRISTIANS, LETS TALK ABOUT IT

[Bodhi]

The answer you gave me was inadequate if boils down to your personal observations.

lol.. Like I'm going to give you someone else's observations?

someone living in a free society is not forced to follow any particular religion so you fail at proving the "society programs you" argument.

Strawman #1 from @zzombie

They're not forced to follow any particular religion but they are raised to do so.

Parents influence them and society influences them.

Many people were programmed from birth. Most religious people were raised in their faith.

If you live in a society and participate in a culture that's majority Christian,

Chances are you will probably be Christian. Likewise,

If you live in a Muslim country, chances are you will be Muslim.

 

[Bodhi]

If millions of people spread out all over the world and in every kind of geographic location declare that they consider themselves adherents to a particular religion it is the height of arrogance to make any argument that boils down to basically saying they are brain washed.

Yeah there are millions of Buddhists in America.

However, if you look at the demographics of any particular State,

Buddhists will most likely be around 0.5 to 1% of the population.

On the other hand, Christians are usually in the 80's percentage.

Why? Because America is majority Christian, even though

There are millions of Buddhists all over the world.

Alternatively, Thailand's Buddhists estimate at around 90% of the population

and Muslims make up around the same percentage in Iraq.

So again, I'm saying that if you were born in a majority Christian nation,

Chances are, you'll be Christian.

The same applies for any Muslim or Buddhist population.

But hey, that's just my observation. I guess you'll want to discredit that now.

 

[zzombie]

If millions of people spread out all over the world and in every kind of geographic location declare that they consider themselves adherents to a particular religion it is the height of arrogance to make any argument that boils down to basically saying they are brain washed.

Yeah there are millions of Buddhists in America.

However, if you look at the demographics of any particular State,

Buddhists will most likely be around 0.5 to 1% of the population.

On the other hand, Christians are usually in the 80's percentage.

Why? Because America is majority Christian, even though

There are millions of Buddhists all over the world.

Alternatively, Thailand's Buddhists estimate at around 90% of the population

and Muslims make up around the same percentage in Iraq.

So again, I'm saying that if you were born in a majority Christian nation,

Chances are, you'll be Christian.

The same applies for any Muslim or Buddhist population.

But hey, that's just my observation. I guess you'll want to discredit that now.

Yeah one person's personal observations don't really mean shit it's just your opinion. Once again correlations is not causation just because most of the people in america may be Christians doesn't mean living in america means society brain washed you into Christianity.

 

[zzombie]

The answer you gave me was inadequate if boils down to your personal observations.

lol.. Like I'm going to give you someone else's observations?

someone living in a free society is not forced to follow any particular religion so you fail at proving the "society programs you" argument.

Strawman #1 from @zzombie

They're not forced to follow any particular religion but they are raised to do so.

Parents influence them and society influences them.

Many people were programmed from birth. Most religious people were raised in their faith.

If you live in a society and participate in a culture that's majority Christian,

Chances are you will probably be Christian. Likewise,

If you live in a Muslim country, chances are you will be Muslim.

Just because you are influenced to do something when you are younger doesn't mean you continue when you become an adult. You are just making a bunch of assumptions. People convert to different religions all the time despite being raised under their parents religion

 

[Bodhi]

Ha. Yeah okay. Well look, it happens. People keep their parents' religions most of the time. And often it's because they don't care enough or aren't much interested to research anything else.

You can scream and kick and cover your eyes all you want. We could ask other posters on what they've experienced and I'd safely assume their observations are similar to mine. If you have nothing else to say at this point let's just drop it. It's not as serious as it seems.

 

[zzombie]

Ha. Yeah okay. Well look, it happens. People keep their parents' religions most of the time. And often it's because they don't care enough or aren't much interested to research anything else.

You can scream and kick and cover your eyes all you want. We could ask other posters on what they've experienced and I'd safely assume their observations are similar to mine. If you have nothing else to say at this point let's just drop it. It's not as serious as it seems.

Something tells me that the posters on this forum are far from typical. People may tend to keep their parents religion but the causes you give for this are what don't really make sense and cannot really be proven. But I'll drop it if you want.

 

[Bodhi]

You don't have to drop it if you've got something else to say other than

"I'M NOT BELIEVING IT!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!111 GLGJALHRULABFAUOUHFOAJ"

I got better things to do than repeat myself.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

 

[Bodhi]

The thing is this:

If you were raised in a majority Christian nation, you'll most likely be Christian,

If you were raised in a Muslim nation, you'll most likely be Muslim

If you were raised in a Buddhist nation, you'll most likely be Buddhist.

It is what it is.

Besides, this isn't even the main point.

You fight tooth and nail to disagree with everything somebody says.

It's not that difficult to understand.

If you can provide evidence supporting the contrary, go ahead. I'll wait.

 

[zzombie]

You don't have to drop it if you've got something else to say other than

"I'M NOT BELIEVING IT!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!111 GLGJALHRULABFAUOUHFOAJ"

I got better things to do than repeat myself.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

I'm not believing it because you haven't proven anything the article you posted proves nothing. It's not people following there parents I am disputing. It the reasons you give for them following that I am disputing

 

[zzombie]

The thing is this:

If you were raised in a majority Christian nation, you'll most likely be Christian,

If you were raised in a Muslim nation, you'll most likely be Muslim

If you were raised in a Buddhist nation, you'll most likely be Buddhist.

It is what it is.

Besides, this isn't even the main point.

You fight tooth and nail to disagree with everything somebody says.

It's not that difficult to understand.

If you can provide evidence supporting the contrary, go ahead. I'll wait.

There are many people in Christian majority nations that convert to other religions or become atheists. There existence is enough evidence that believers aren't just brainwashed.

Now Muslim nations are different because conversation means death. I don't just disagree to disagree I disagree for very good reasons.

I am defensive of my positions because basically it always me against 4-5 different posters.

 

[Bodhi]

You don't have to drop it if you've got something else to say other than

"I'M NOT BELIEVING IT!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!111 GLGJALHRULABFAUOUHFOAJ"

I got better things to do than repeat myself.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

I'm not believing it because you haven't proven anything the article you posted proves nothing. It's not people following there parents I am disputing. It the reasons you give for them following that I am disputing

You keep getting caught up in the word "brainwashing".

I never said brainwashing.

 

[zzombie]

You don't have to drop it if you've got something else to say other than

"I'M NOT BELIEVING IT!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!111 GLGJALHRULABFAUOUHFOAJ"

I got better things to do than repeat myself.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

I'm not believing it because you haven't proven anything the article you posted proves nothing. It's not people following there parents I am disputing. It the reasons you give for them following that I am disputing

You keep getting caught up in the word "brainwashing".

I never said brainwashing.

Semantics And hair splitting

 

[Bodhi]

There are many people in Christian majority nations that convert to other religions or become atheists. There existence is enough evidence that believers aren't just brainwashed.

Of course there is!

I'm an example myself. But as I've said, and backed up,

I'm a minority. This is a majority Christian nation! Why?!

Because most people were raised Christian, like myself,

But unlike me, they remained Christian.

Now Muslim nations are different because conversation means death. I don't just disagree to disagree I disagree for very good reasons

Then you can look at a place like Thailand

Which is 90% Buddhist. Why?!?!?!?!?!

Because most of them were raised to be! It's not brainwashing.

Again, I never said that.

I am defensive of my positions because basically it always me against 4-5 different posters.

You're so defensive because you refuse to be proven wrong.

That's why we're here in the first place.

 

[Bodhi]

You don't have to drop it if you've got something else to say other than

"I'M NOT BELIEVING IT!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!111 GLGJALHRULABFAUOUHFOAJ"

I got better things to do than repeat myself.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

I'm not believing it because you haven't proven anything the article you posted proves nothing. It's not people following there parents I am disputing. It the reasons you give for them following that I am disputing

You keep getting caught up in the word "brainwashing".

I never said brainwashing.

Semantics And hair splitting

Different words have different definitions.

You have to properly define your terms before you

Understand what you're talking about.

Maybe that's your problem.

PROGRAM: Cause (a person or animal) to behave in a predetermined way

BRAINWASH: Make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.

When you raise your kids in the church

And teach them what you feel they should know and do,

You're programming them.

In some instances, it can be defined as brainwashing but that's a little extreme

And (arguably --- but we're not going there)

Most people aren't brainwashed by their parents, at least by definition.

You're programmed by your society as well.

It's called culture. Americans behave differently than other people around the world

Because of cultural differences.

Our society caused us to behave this way. Again, look at the definitions.

Let's be intellectually honest here and stop dicking around.

Either you understand or you don't.

After this, if you have nothing intelligent to say, don't bother replying.

You are free, however, to have the last word if you wish.

 

[zzombie]

There are many people in Christian majority nations that convert to other religions or become atheists. There existence is enough evidence that believers aren't just brainwashed.

Of course there is!

I'm an example myself. But as I've said, and backed up,

I'm a minority. This is a majority Christian nation! Why?!

Because most people were raised Christian, like myself,

But unlike me, they remained Christian.

Now Muslim nations are different because conversation means death. I don't just disagree to disagree I disagree for very good reasons

Then you can look at a place like Thailand

Which is 90% Buddhist. Why?!?!?!?!?!

Because most of them were raised to be! It's not brainwashing.

Again, I never said that.

I am defensive of my positions because basically it always me against 4-5 different posters.

You're so defensive because you refuse to be proven wrong.

That's why we're here in the first place.

You don't have any proof that this is a majority Christian nation because of how people were raised. You are making the assumption that adults cannot think for themselves and will continue their parents beliefs. You didn't say brainwashing but you used the word programmed which in context is the Same as saying brainwashed.

No I am defensive because I and my religion are always under attack.

 

[Bodhi]

You don't have any proof that this is a majority Christian nation because of how people were raised. You are making the assumption that adults cannot think for themselves and will continue their parents beliefs.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

 

[zzombie]

You don't have to drop it if you've got something else to say other than

"I'M NOT BELIEVING IT!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!111 GLGJALHRULABFAUOUHFOAJ"

I got better things to do than repeat myself.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

I'm not believing it because you haven't proven anything the article you posted proves nothing. It's not people following there parents I am disputing. It the reasons you give for them following that I am disputing

You keep getting caught up in the word "brainwashing".

I never said brainwashing.

Semantics And hair splitting

Different words have different definitions.

You have to properly define your terms before you

Understand what you're talking about.

Maybe that's your problem.

PROGRAM: Cause (a person or animal) to behave in a predetermined way

BRAINWASH: make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.

When you raise your kids in the church

And teach them what you feel they should know and do,

You're programming them.

In some instances, it can be defined as brainwashing but that's a little extreme

And (arguably --- but we're not going there)

Most people aren't brainwashed by their parents, at least by definition.

You're programmed by your society as well.

It's called culture. Americans behave differently than other people around the world

Because of cultural differences.

Our society caused us to behave this way. Again, look at the definitions.

Let's be intellectually honest here and stop dicking around.

Either you understand or you don't.

After this, if you have nothing intelligent to say, don't bother replying.

You are free, however, to have the last word if you wish.

you are Hair splitting nothing more. Words can mean the same thing and get across the same message/idea depending on how you use them and the context

You are the being intellectually dishonest And lying as you often do

 

[Bodhi]

 

[zzombie]

You don't have any proof that this is a majority Christian nation because of how people were raised. You are making the assumption that adults cannot think for themselves and will continue their parents beliefs.

Despite the many societal changes that have lurched us towards greater individualism and away from a more collective family focus, over half of young adult children are following in their parents' footsteps, in that they are affiliated with the parents' religious tradition. (To a lesser extent, their religious practices and beliefs also align with those of their parents).
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/august-web-only/religion-runs-in-family.html?paging=off

The article is wrong just like you are because it's making conclusions it cannot prove.

The question is why???? I acknowledge people follow their parents however the reason why this is so that you gave are faulty.

Because you assume that people are brainwashed/programed.

 

[kingblaze84]

Oh and @kingblaze84 wanted to know where the God of Abraham is today. My answer was basically all over the world with billions of followers. But I didn't say that to prove his existence

That's a little contradictory though, the god of Abraham is still nowhere to be found on Earth. And according to the Koran, people who worship Jesus as god are condemned to spend eternity in hell, so in some ways the Bible god is very different then the Islamic one.

How can the same god give such different rules on worship? Doesn't add up.

Christians Jew muslims all believe that they are worshipping the God of Abraham. Jews don't worship the God of the new testament, Christians don't worship the God of Islam but each group believes they are worshipping the God of Abraham. So all three are part of the Abrahamic religion because we all claim the same spiritual ancestor

Finding God the way you want to is impossible God is not a lost pair of socks. And from my perspective you don't "find" God you experience him and if you don't have the spiritual senses it's going to be very hard for you.

All three being part of the Abrahamic family means almost nothing these days though. The differences between the religions are so huge that Zionists and Muslims have a horrible relationship, and Christians obviously are not treated well in the Middle East these days. I admit it wasn't always like this, but the differences in those three religions have helped cause immense conflict and problems around the world.

And 70% of the world doesn't experience the Bible god, so I guess I'm far from alone in not being able to experience it.