The Cruel god of the Old Testament and evil in the Bible

[beenwize]

The Christian God Yahweh did all of the following: He created evil (Lam. 3: 38, Jer. 26: 3, Ezek. 20: 25 – 26, Judges 9: 3, 1, Sam. 16: 23, 18: 10); He deceived (Jer. 4: 10, 15: 18, 20: 7, 2, Chron 18: 22, Ezek. 14: 9, 2Thess. 2: 9 – 12); He told people to lie (Ex. 3: 18, 1Sam. 16: 2);

He lied (Gen. 2: 17, 2Sam. 7: 13); He rewarded liars (Ex. 1: 15 – 20); He ordered men to become drunken (Jer. 25: 27); He rewarded the fool and the transgressor (Prov. 26: 10); He mingled a perverse spirit (Isa. 19: 14); He spread dung on people's faces (Mal.2: 3); He ordered stealing (Ezek. 39: 10, Ex 3: 22); He made false prophesies (Jonah 3: 4, Gen. 5: 10); He changed his mind (Jonah 3: 10).

He caused adultery (2 Sam. 12: 11 – 12); He ordered the taking of a harlot (Hosea 1: 2, 3:1 – 2); He killed (Num. 16: 35, 21: 6, Deut. 32: 39, 1Sam. 2: 26, Psalm 135: 10); He ordered killing (Lev. 26: 7 – 8, Num. 25: 4 – 5); He had a temper (Deut. 13: 17, Judges 3: 8); He was often jealous (Deut. 5: 9,6: 15); He wasn't omnipresent (Gen. 4:16, 11: 5, 1Kings 19: 11 – 12); He wasn't omniscient (Deut. 8: 2, 13: 3, 2Chron. 32: 31);

He often repented ( Ex. 4: 22 – 23, Joshua 22: 20, Rom. 5: 12); He played favourites ( Deut. 7: 6, 14: 2, 1Sam. 12: 22); He sanctioned slavery ( Ex. 21: 20 – 21, Deut. 15: 17); He

degraded deformed people (Lev. 21: 16 – 23). He punished a bastard for being illegitimate (Deut. 23: 2);

He punished many for the acts of one (Gen. 3: 16, 20: 18); He punished children for the sins of their fathers (Ex. 12: 29, 20: 5, Deut. 5:9); He prevented people from hearing his word (Isa. 6: 10, John 12:39 – 40). He supported human sacrifice (Ex. 22: 29 – 30, Ezek. 20:26);

He ordered cannibalism (Lev. 26: 29, Jer. 19: 9); He demanded virgins as a part of war plunders (Num. 31: 31 – 36); He ordered gambling (Joshua 14: 2, Num. 26: 52, 55 – 56).

He ordered horses to be hamstrung (Joshua 11: 6). He sanctioned violation of the enemy's women (Deut 21: 10 – 14); He excused the beating of slaves to death (Ex. 21: 20 – 21); He required a woman to marry her rapist (Deut. 22: 28: 29); He taught war (Psalm 144: 1);

He ordered the burning of human faeces to cook food (Ezek. 21: 3 – 5); He intentionally issued bad laws (Ezek. 20: 25); He excused the sins of prostitutes and adulterers (Hosea 4: 14); He excused a murderer and promised his protection (Gen. 4: 8 – 15); He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law (Gen. 38: 9 – 10); and He is indecisive ( Gen. 18: 17).

 

[alissowack]

I know that your intentions are to show that there are things that "Christians" fail to acknowledge and to maybe get people to look more closely as to what the Bible is saying. But, I think you are missing one important point. Since "The Fall", man has been God's Enemy. Because of sin, there was nothing good in man that deserved any favors from God. If God wanted to, He could have just "started over"...and that almost happened in the story of Noah.

There is this sense that maybe you think there is something inherently good about mankind; that mankind can be good if allowed to rid ourselves of the things we consider evil. But, evil will continue to exist whether someone worships God or not.

 

[beenwize]

You are coming off as the bible is all true and Yahweh is the true Creator. thats where we differ.

 

[beenwize]

An In Exodus, we find God coercing Moses into becoming his spokesperson for freeing the Israelite slaves from the Egyptian Pharaoh. Moses initially points out that he’s a terrible speaker, but God’s reply to this passive resistance is a set of rhetorical questions in which he takes credit for making people deaf, dumb, and blind (Exodus 4:10-11). Some of these handicapped people are a burden to others, and many die without ever demonstrating independence. Nevertheless, God takes great pride in this achievement. Most of us typically find people who relish in the misery of others to be deeply disturbed. Instead of correcting these atrociously boastful deeds, God seemingly leaves it up to us to develop ideas for combating transcendentally induced handicaps. Ironically, with advances in medical science, we’re making genuine progress against God’s wishes. His yearning to make certain people handicapped is useless, evil nonsense. Evidently, it’s a successful argument because Moses decides to accept the offer. In the meeting among Moses, Aaron, and the Pharaoh, God doesn’t want his Israelites to go free without a fight. Instead, God instructs Moses and Aaron on exactly what steps to take so that the Pharaoh will initially become too stubborn to allow the people to leave. Obviously, God only wants an excuse to “bring forth [his] armies” against Egypt in order to punish the entire country for the decisions of one man to hold his chosen people as slaves (Exodus 7:1-14). The plagues that God carried out against Egypt as a result of the Pharaoh’s decision were turning the river to blood; sending an abundance of frogs, lice, locusts, and flies; killing every cow belonging to the people; inflicting boils upon all the citizens; creating a hailstorm to destroy their crops; instituting three days of darkness; and killing the firstborn male child in every household across the country. The darkness, boils, frogs, lice, locusts, and flies were quite punishing, but they wouldn’t necessarily ruin anyone’s life. The cattle slaughter, river of blood, and downpour of hail ruined the Egyptians’ sole water and food sources. Worst of all, God once again feels the necessity to eradicate thousands more innocent babies, children, and animals because one man was too stubborn to free his slaves. On the escape route, Moses miraculously parts the Red Sea and crosses safely. When the Egyptian army pursues, the waters regroup to drown the soldiers and horses (Exodus 7-14). The omnipotent Hebrew god could have easily freed the people and spared thousands of lives, but, of course, he doesn’t do things this way. One can only assume that he took sinister pleasure in murdering Egyptian soldiers for following orders from their superior officers. Thankfully, modern scholarship tells us that these events never took place either. I’ll explain the logic behind this comforting declaration in Moses And Other Historical Fabrications. God revisits the plague concept when he dishes one out on his chosen people for following Aaron’s orders to worship a golden calf (Exodus 32:35). Recall, however, that Aaron was one of the two men to whom they owed their freedom. Why would God punish his people for actions that they didn’t realize were “wrong,” especially when they had implicitly learned to trust the person giving the orders? This debacle seems to have shifted Aaron over to God’s bad side because God later kills his two sons for building a “strange fire” (most likely meaning that they let a forbidden item burn) (Leviticus 10:1-2). No matter how many times I read passages like this, I’m always amazed how God kills people because they do something silly like build a displeasing campfire, but as we will soon see, he allows them to rape female prisoners of war. On the subject of fire, God later sets some of the desert wanderers ablaze for complaining about their difficulties (Numbers 11:1). Keep in mind that they were now wandering around the desert for decades doing absolutely nothing after having been slaves in Egypt for centuries. When they complain about having no meat for nourishment, God provides them with a circle of quail three feet high and a day’s journey wide but immediately plagues and kills a handful of them for grumbling (Numbers 11:31-34). Later, the people become increasingly irritated over being homeless. In fact, circumstances are so miserable that they actually want to return to Egypt as slaves. Subsequently, Korah leads a group of 250 other upset individuals to stand up to Moses. Needless to say, they all pay for their mutiny. God opens the ground under Korah’s household and sucks everything he has, family and all, into the depths of the earth (Numbers 16:31-33). The remaining council of 250 are burned alive (Numbers 16:35). Does the punishment fit the so-called crime? Does God have any compassion for their situation? Obviously not, on both accounts. When the Israelites were upset that Moses caused those 250 people to die, God sends a plague to slay an additional 14,700 (Numbers 16:41-49). To close out the Pentateuch, God exterminates a number of his people who fall down and worship the gods of Baalpeor. A subsequent plague kills another 24,000 (Numbers 25:1-9). At least these people may have had some idea that what they were doing would result in a punishment…

 

[alissowack]

Even if you don't believe the Bible to be true, at least get the story right. Even traditional fairy tales wouldn't be the stories that they are if you change them to mean what you want them to mean. According to the Bible, no one is innocent. No one is beyond God's Judgement. The people God had chose in the Bible were not without sin. Israel was no better than the Egyptians and there are places where even they were given over to their enemies by God and killed. But you paint this picture that the people that God chose somehow have earned some sort of divinity and don't have to worry about the judgement that awaits them as well.

 

[beenwize]

^Quote me where i got the story wrong?

 

[alissowack]

This whole thread for starters. The story is essentially about God's Redemption of man through Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation, it's about how all of the events of man led to the promise of a messiah to save the world from sin.

 

[beenwize]

You failed to quote me... Quote me on something.

 

[beenwize]

For The Sins Of Another

God’s episodes of murdering innocent individuals for the faults of their leaders, fathers, or other ancestors are not uncommon in the Old Testament. Jephthah asks for God’s assistance in killing the children of Ammon and promises him the first person out of his house upon his return as a burnt sacrifice if he will agree to aid with the massacre. God concurs and lethally delivers the children of Ammon into Jephthah’s hands. When Jephthah returns, his daughter, an only child, makes her way outside to welcome him home. Two months later, Jephthah regretfully fulfills his promise by burning his daughter as a sacrifice to God (Judges 11:29-39). Why would God allow a man to offer an innocent person as a reward unless God also intended for certain people to be mere possessions?

While David is King, he decides to conduct a census: a horrendous sin in God’s eyes. As punishment for his poor decision, he is to select among seven years of famine, three months of fleeing from his enemies, and three days of pestilence. Unable to choose from the offered catastrophes, God picks the three days of pestilence that result in the deaths of 70,000 men. Women and children weren’t mentioned, not that the Bible considered them to have any real value in the first place. Again, God murders enough people to fill a sizable city for the “sin” of one man. David subsequently cries out to God and asks him why he wants to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with the decision to execute a census. Of course God doesn’t provide an impossible answer for this sensible question, but his reasons scarcely seem morally or ethically justifiable (2 Samuel 24:10-17).

David also desires a woman named Bathsheba even though she’s married to one of David’s soldiers. Driven by his lust, David orders her husband to the front lines of a battle so that the enemy will take care of his problem. God then becomes extremely angry with David for this relatively petty crime. Once the new couple has a child, God afflicts it with illness for a week before watching it die (2 Samuel 11, 12:14-18). Yet again, God exterminates an innocent baby for the actions of the father.

At one point, God sends a famine upon David’s followers. When he makes an inquiry to God for a justification, he’s told, “It is for Saul, and his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites” (2 Samuel 21:1). Saul died years ago, yet God just now decides to punish people who had nothing to do with the decisions of their former leader.

David’s new son, Solomon, turns away from the Hebrew god and decides to worship other deities. Solomon’s decision infuriates God, but he isn’t punished because God recently came to like David. Instead, he punishes Solomon’s son by taking away part of his land when he comes to power (1 Kings 11:9-13). Once again, we see the impossibility of being free from God’s anger even when living in total obedience to him. In essence, Solomon’s son was divinely punished before he was ever born.

Next in the line of father-son reprimands is the account of King Josiah. “And like unto him was there no King before him, that turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him. Notwithstanding the Lord turned not from the fierceness of his great wrath…because of all the provocations that Manasseh had provoked him withal” (2 Kings 23:24-26). The passage speaks for itself. Yet again, God punishes a seemingly perfect person for someone else’s transgressions.

God’s Novel Method of Murder

Instead of directly murdering people or using his followers to execute similar commands, the apparently insatiable God begins sending animals to kill those who displease him. On one occasion, he has a lion kill a man because he refuses to hit someone (1 Kings 20:35). God sends his lions out again to kill a group of people who were new to Samaria. The reason for this atrocity is their lack of worship, even though they were never informed of the proper worship methods (2 Kings 17:24-26). However, this supposedly insignificant detail didn’t halt God from killing them. He had to have known that he would eventually murder this party, but instead of properly instructing them, God just kills them. There’s not even a miniscule resemblance of justice in the Hebrew god.

In an exploit of inconceivable irrationality, God sends forth two bears to kill forty-two children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head (2 Kings 2:23-24). Why would the omnibenevolent God feel the necessity to have two bears viciously maul little children for acting like…children? This is supposed to be the same “wonderful” and “loving” God who promises us eternal life, but an entity capable of these inane activities could certainly change his mind and banish all of his worshippers to Hell. Christians never have to justify such passages because, of course, they never read them!

 

[alissowack]

The issue isn't with quotation. It's your perspective. You believe that the Bible's primary purpose is to show people how to live. It's not. It never was.

 

[beenwize]

lol I don't believe the Bible is a primary purpose to show people how to live. that's what yourself and Christians believe. You have never quoted me on anything. I wanted you to quote me on something above so I can end this dialogue.

 

[alissowack]

You just reiterated my point. You think that Christians think that the Bible is a primary source of how to live...so you argue against it...when that is not what the Bible is about.

Again...it's not about quotes. It is your perspective.

 

[beenwize]

You just reiterated my point. You think that Christians think that the Bible is a primary source of how to live...so you argue against it...when that is not what the Bible is about.

Again...it's not about quotes. It is your perspective.

are you looking for a reasons to comment?

this is why non believers usually know the Bible better than believers.

Joshua 1:8

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Deuteronomy 6:6-9

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

Deuteronomy 11:18-21

18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:

 

[beenwize]

@Zombie stop lurking in the background. if u got something to say then say it.

here is more info about your Yahweh demon.. bitch ass false god of darkness Yahweh.

 

[zombie]

@Zombie stop lurking in the background. if u got something to say then say it.

here is more info about your Yahweh demon.. bitch ass false god of darkness Yahweh.

you have posted this video before and it's bullshit you are an ultra troll. until you put forward something interesting I am basically ignoring you

 

[beenwize]

@Zombie stop lurking in the background. if u got something to say then say it.

here is more info about your Yahweh demon.. bitch ass false god of darkness Yahweh.

you have posted this video before and it's bullshit you are an ultra troll. until you put forward something interesting I am basically ignoring you

if you are ignoring me then stay your lame ass out my thread and worship your bitch ass demonic god Yahweh.

 

[zombie]

@Zombie stop lurking in the background. if u got something to say then say it.

here is more info about your Yahweh demon.. bitch ass false god of darkness Yahweh.

you have posted this video before and it's bullshit you are an ultra troll. until you put forward something interesting I am basically ignoring you

if you are ignoring me then stay your lame ass out my thread and worship your bitch ass demonic god Yahweh.

no. when you post rubbish with no proper explanation I will wack you simple as that.

 

[beenwize]

@Zombie stop lurking in the background. if u got something to say then say it.

here is more info about your Yahweh demon.. bitch ass false god of darkness Yahweh.

you have posted this video before and it's bullshit you are an ultra troll. until you put forward something interesting I am basically ignoring you

if you are ignoring me then stay your lame ass out my thread and worship your bitch ass demonic god Yahweh.

no. when you post rubbish with no proper explanation I will wack you simple as that.

Again when you all OVERSTAND that YHWH Is thw first being to Lie in Genesis 2:17 you gone realize why I DO NOT let your God have ANY ROOM to breathe.

Y'all niggas (NGR) IS SO IGNORANT AND BLIND that you don't even Overstand that If Eating of That damn tree Made us Like YHWH (according to Genesis 3:22) whom YOU ALL consider Perfect them explain to me How in the hell Genezis 3 is thw fall of Man?????

Adam and eve perfect When the Only Knew Good Right??

Explain to me how in the Hell they are all of a sudden NOT PERFECT when they know of Evil and becomw Just like YHWH???

Yall NGR dont even see how Psychologically ASS BACKWARDS that is???

Fact is the god of the Bible is a Fucking Joke.

1-he left adam and eve STUPID

2-he Lied to adam ontop of keeping him Ignorant

3-he SUPPOSEDLY left you NGR in Egipt for 430 while he was off chilln and RESTING Like all Supreme Omnipotent and Omniscient beings do

4-he is afraid of what can happen if adam and eve become Immortal????

5-he sacrifices his son because he cant atone for his own mess?

YHWH in your bible is a Joke. What type of Grown man would allow his son to be sacrificed?

YHWH is not a Loving father. He is damn near a devil. Dont pray for me. I dont need it. I have better access to the REAL YHWHs than the rest of you Hyksos and KRSTians

 

[zombie]

lol at you unwize I would break down to you why 1_5 are wrong but you are a troll and no one here takes you serious so you might as well lose your password

 

[alissowack]

You just reiterated my point. You think that Christians think that the Bible is a primary source of how to live...so you argue against it...when that is not what the Bible is about.

Again...it's not about quotes. It is your perspective.

are you looking for a reasons to comment?

this is why non believers usually know the Bible better than believers.

Joshua 1:8

This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Deuteronomy 6:6-9

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

Deuteronomy 11:18-21

18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:

You are looking at a tree and calling it a forest. Of course there are passages that stress how to live, but it is not the big picture. Jesus is the big picture.