The Consciousness Effect

[universaltruth]

Yup.......

 

[universaltruth]

More specifically, our conciousness is what creates this universe

 

[MeTaL]

It''s a very interesting question considering that it's one that science is still struggling to answer.

I am of those who think that consciousness is simply a state of mind, the mind being the incredibly complex arrangement of neurons that form our brain, each interacting with their neighbors by electrical current and chemical reactions. Thus, your consciousness is contained within a volume of space-time (fixed in time and space, thus 4-dimensional) and could be reproduced in another being if the same arrangement of atoms (each in a precise state) was achieved in another space-time volume.

Interesting questions arise. Considering that the world is built by a huge number of particles world lines (each fundamental particle is a line in space-time), how does the mind position itself on a window that can perceive time? (since it could be built by an identical set of particles oriented toward a spatial dimension instead of time...)

Yet, my point of view on the subject poses a problem with "free will". In fact, is there more than a unique way that a conscious mind can evolve if it is described by a precise arrangement of fundamental particles? Can quantum mechanics have effects on a scale of 10^24 (or more...) particles and their final state? Could free will be only an illusion (considering a world-lines construction of the universe)?

I find a scientific perspective on the subject much more fascinating than the religious one, where the mind can exist out of matter and is a being on its own. It's quite incredible to think that a mind is a set of atoms that get conscious of their own existence. It will be a great discovery when scientists find how much a given state can be reduced until the "I" disappears, thus listing a minimal set of necessary conditions for a mind to exist. It would then be great to simulate real conscious mind on powerful computers.

Then we have the answer to what free will really is... It isn't really free will but deterministic.

 

[Skeratch]

No, our consciousness does not affect our surroundings so much as our surroundings affect our consciousness. Our consciousness affects our surroundings only when we use it to make a decision to affect our surroundings.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

More specifically, our conciousness is what creates this universe

How so?

how does the mind position itself on a window that can perceive time?

What do you mean perceive time? Observing the life and death process?

No, our consciousness does not affect our surroundings so much as our surroundings affect our consciousness. Our consciousness affects our surroundings only when we use it to make a decision to affect our surroundings.

Matter, behaves as particles or waves depending if we are consciously observing them or not. When we are not watching them, they behave like waves, when we look to see where they will be, it then behaves like a particle(double slit experiment, wave-particle duality). I think maybe we have a bigger impact when we use our consciousness to affect our surroundings, but if mere observation affects how matter behaves, maybe it is only a perception that our surroundings affect our consciousness.

 

[universaltruth]

We are all living in a dream. Our mind, our conciousness is what creates our own specific realities for each of us. Whatever you see is your own specific "view" of reality, not the absolute.

What I mean by saying our conciousness is what creates this universe is that our universal conciousness is the "no-thing". When a person starts living IN the moment, when they realize they are "no-thing", when they act without acting, these people are enlightened.

 

[MeTaL]

How so?

What do you mean perceive time? Observing the life and death process?

Precisely.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

We are all living in a dream. Our mind, our conciousness is what creates our own specific realities for each of us. Whatever you see is your own specific "view" of reality, not the absolute.

Is that the "we see things and people not as they are but as we are"? Is that our mind that perceives them that way, or is it our consciousness? Or are mind and consciousness one and the same in your opinion?

What I mean by saying our conciousness is what creates this universe is that our universal conciousness is the "no-thing". When a person starts living IN the moment, when they realize they are "no-thing", when they act without acting, these people are enlightened

Do you think the living in the now means to not think about the future, not recollect the past and just act? How do you practice that?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Like if I were to always say "man, nothing ever works out for me"

 

[universaltruth]

Is that the "we see things and people not as they are but as we are"? Is that our mind that perceives them that way, or is it our consciousness? Or are mind and consciousness one and the same in your opinion?

Do you think the living in the now means to not think about the future, not recollect the past and just act? How do you practice that?

Our mind is our consciousness, our consciousness is everything, everything is "no-thing". Living in the now is spontaneous action, in my opinion a great way to practice it is starting out with meditation, then living. Make living a sort of "moving meditation" where even in pain your mind is clear.

 

[universaltruth]

Like if I were to always say "man, nothing ever works out for me"

 

[universaltruth]

But of course my words dont do this justice, words can never truly convey the ultimate meaning.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Idk, I'm starting to think that what the mind desires, consciousness provides. The mind is spoiled by our consciousness.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You like how God did that, eh?

Well no not always, cuz sometimes I get burnt by the flame, though my reflexes are improving.

 

[oliverlang]

Do you think our consciousness has an affect on everything around us?

Yes. Because our decisions are made based on our consciousness, and our decisions ultimately have an impact on the world.

 

[Skeratch]

Matter, behaves as particles or waves depending if we are consciously observing them or not. When we are not watching them, they behave like waves, when we look to see where they will be, it then behaves like a particle(double slit experiment, wave-particle duality). I think maybe we have a bigger impact when we use our consciousness to affect our surroundings, but if mere observation affects how matter behaves, maybe it is only a perception that our surroundings affect our consciousness.

Woah, that's weird.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Yes. Because our decisions are made based on our consciousness, and our decisions ultimately have an impact on the world.

That's a good way to put it.

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what burning flame exists? When regarding one's consciousness, spoiling one's mind?

The hell fire.