The Chronic Vs Only Built 4 Cuban Linx

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5 Grand;c-6790807 said:
skpjr78;6790472 said:
5 Grand;6790443 said:
skpjr78;6790422 said:
In a landslide. OB4CL was goat but come on man. U cant be serious w/this shit

You do realize that "goat" means greatest of all time?

GOAT for the EAST COAST which wasnt saying much for that time period. OB4CL was the best non biggie album to come from the east. Lets be honest outside of biggie's first album and wu tangs first album there was nobody on the east coast was worth listening to until DMX dropped. And then to compare it to maybe the best rap album ever made is a joke. U cant be serious w/this shit

Nonsense, there was so much stuff coming out of the East coast that people weren't even buying albums, they were buying mixtapes.

Pete Rock and CL Smooth

Digable Planets

A Tribe Called Quest

Gang Starr

Leaders of the New School

Redman

Erick Sermon

Keith Murray

Blahzay Blahzay

The Fugees

Wu Tang (Method Man, Old Dirty Bastard, Raekwon, GZA, Ghostface)

The Gravediggaz

Notorious BIG

Craig Mack

Lost Boys

De La Soul

Black Moon

Smiff N Wesson

Originoo Gunn Clappazz

Heltah Skeltah

Nas

Jay Z

Mobb Deep

MOP

Fat Joe

Diamond D

Lord Finesse

Big L

O.C

Organized Konfusion

Ill Al Skratch

Group Home

Jeru The Damaja

Akinyele

Brand Nubian

And that's just from 94-97

LOL @ "nobody on the east coast was worth listening to until DMX dropped" You must be 16 years old or something to say something that stupid. I can remember circa 94/95 the highlight of any weed session was when somebody went to new York and picked up a mix tape. That mixtape would circulate around campus until somebody bought another one. there was so much stuff out that people weren't buying albums.

Lol 5 grand went in on that nigga
 
Odd poll. I voted The Chronic because when this album dropped thats when everybody tried to bite the g funk style, birthed Snoop's career, shit was phenomenal. Raekwon album is one of my favorite albums of all time but its not the better album.
 
My vote won't change. The chronic didn't affect my ears like the purple tape. I still haven't wanted to go back to that lp. To keep it a buck doggy style >>> chronic. Imo
 
5 Grand;c-10152857 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

I want you to pay close attention to what I'm about to type:

While The Chronic was a game changer, there are at least a dozen other albums that were also game changers.

Saying The Chronic is the greatest album of all time because it was a game changer is like saying The 89/90 Detroit Pistons are the greatest basketball team in the history of the NBA because they won back to back championships. Or saying Troy Aikman is the greatest quarterback of all time because he won 3 Superbowls. Its faulty logic and it just isn't true.

Again, there have been dozens of Hip Hop albums that were game changers

"I want you to pay close attention to what I'm about to type:" ??? Your logical fallacies are, personal incredulity, special pleading, strawman, burden of proof, anecdotal, false cause and appeal to emotion. While I applaud your attempts it does not change the fact that the Chronic was a game changer for HipHop your acceptance or disbelief does not change the impact it had nor does mine it is what it is...
 
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Soloman_The_Wise;c-10153278 said:
5 Grand;c-10152857 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

I want you to pay close attention to what I'm about to type:

While The Chronic was a game changer, there are at least a dozen other albums that were also game changers.

Saying The Chronic is the greatest album of all time because it was a game changer is like saying The 89/90 Detroit Pistons are the greatest basketball team in the history of the NBA because they won back to back championships. Or saying Troy Aikman is the greatest quarterback of all time because he won 3 Superbowls. Its faulty logic and it just isn't true.

Again, there have been dozens of Hip Hop albums that were game changers

"I want you to pay close attention to what I'm about to type:" ??? Your logical fallacies are, personal incredulity, special pleading, strawman, burden of proof, anecdotal, false cause and appeal to emotion. While I applaud your attempts it does not change the fact that the Chronic was a game changer for HipHop your acceptance or disbelief does not change the impact it had nor does mine it is what it is...

The Chronic was a game changer, but you're acting like there aren't a dozen or more albums that were also game changers in Hip Hop history.

Criminal Minded was a game changer

Paid In Full was a game changer

It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back was a game changer

I could go on
 
5 Grand;c-10153474 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10153278 said:
5 Grand;c-10152857 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

I want you to pay close attention to what I'm about to type:

While The Chronic was a game changer, there are at least a dozen other albums that were also game changers.

Saying The Chronic is the greatest album of all time because it was a game changer is like saying The 89/90 Detroit Pistons are the greatest basketball team in the history of the NBA because they won back to back championships. Or saying Troy Aikman is the greatest quarterback of all time because he won 3 Superbowls. Its faulty logic and it just isn't true.

Again, there have been dozens of Hip Hop albums that were game changers

"I want you to pay close attention to what I'm about to type:" ??? Your logical fallacies are, personal incredulity, special pleading, strawman, burden of proof, anecdotal, false cause and appeal to emotion. While I applaud your attempts it does not change the fact that the Chronic was a game changer for HipHop your acceptance or disbelief does not change the impact it had nor does mine it is what it is...

The Chronic was a game changer, but you're acting like there aren't a dozen or more albums that were also game changers in Hip Hop history.

Criminal Minded was a game changer

Paid In Full was a game changer

It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back was a game changer

I could go on

Your point being? Chronic being a game changer does not negate any other albums impact again refer to your Logical fallacies list...
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
 
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10153480 said:
Your point being? Chronic being a game changer does not negate any other albums impact again refer to your Logical fallacies list...
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

My point is that people, not necessarily you, say that The Chronic is the greatest album of all time because it was a game changer.

Those people must not remember when Run DMC came out. Or Public Enemy, or LL Cool J, or Beastie Boys, or De La Soul, or Tribe Called Quest, or Eric B & Rakim, or 2 Live Crew, or Too $hort. I could go on.

Honestly, I think people say that The Chronic was the GOAT album because it was a game changer because that's what they've been told. I'd wager that most of the people that feel that way were so young when The Chronic dropped that they don't remember what Hip Hop was like before The Chronic, they just quote what they've heard which is basically hearsay.

Its a waste of time arguing with somebody that was 8 years old when The Chronic dropped who claims The Chronic was a game changer.
 
I'm trying to figure out the impact the Chronic had, it was just a dope album from the west coast talking gangsta shit. Straight Outta Compton was more impactful to me, but hey
 
king hassan;c-10153994 said:
I'm trying to figure out the impact the Chronic had, it was just a dope album from the west coast talking gangsta shit. Straight Outta Compton was more impactful to me, but hey

Cosign.

It was a good album, but it didn't have anywhere near the impact that people are making it out to be.

Run DMC's first album had 1000X the impact of The Chronic.

 
king hassan;c-10153994 said:
I'm trying to figure out the impact the Chronic had, it was just a dope album from the west coast talking gangsta shit. Straight Outta Compton was more impactful to me, but hey

This is what I'm saying.......
 
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

But none of these things changed the thing called hip hop. Erick Sermon was using funk beats before Dre. Def jam signing Warren G. just meant they hopped on a wave. What's going on in hip hop now that makes you think "the chronic birthed this"?
 
optimistic;c-10154075 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

But none of these things changed the thing called hip hop. Erick Sermon was using funk beats before Dre. Def jam signing Warren G. just meant they hopped on a wave. What's going on in hip hop now that makes you think "the chronic birthed this"?

 
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Smoothier beats..better flow

Snoops flow and dres beats during that time were unmatched...it was a smooth form of rap...not some gritty choppy sound
 
optimistic;c-10154075 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

But none of these things changed the thing called hip hop. Erick Sermon was using funk beats before Dre. Def jam signing Warren G. just meant they hopped on a wave. What's going on in hip hop now that makes you think "the chronic birthed this"?

Erick sermon wasnt in the same stratosphere as dre

And if the chronic didnt change hip hop then i dont know what did

It certaintly wasnt the genetic sound from ob4cl...just a generic ass new york sound
 
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bck145;c-10154214 said:
optimistic;c-10154075 said:
Soloman_The_Wise;c-10152777 said:
optimistic;c-10152735 said:
Lefty_;c-10152326 said:
I like the well thought out titangraphs... but this is simple.

The Chronic changed hip hop forever. Period.

What was different about hip hop after the chronic?

Well Chronic changed the sound of most HipHop on the Radio, Def Jam snatched up Warren G off of the strength of his production abilities stemming from the Chronic, Ice Cube embraced and switched up his beat selection for Lethal Injection, Biggie used the Formula for his Debut and even more so on his Next Album, You can even hear the Influence in Scarface the Diary. Daz, Warren G, and who knows how many other Ghost producers got a foothold into the game and the sound for the whole 90's changed until from the chronic on along with a new level of Commercial appeal being found in Hip Hop...

But none of these things changed the thing called hip hop. Erick Sermon was using funk beats before Dre. Def jam signing Warren G. just meant they hopped on a wave. What's going on in hip hop now that makes you think "the chronic birthed this"?

Erick sermon wasnt in the same stratosphere as dre



And if the chronic didnt change hip hop then i dont know what did


It certaintly wasnt the genetic sound from ob4cl...just a generic ass new york sound

.....then you just don't know what did. FYI this isn't about which album changed hip hop
 
The Chronic killed the fight the power movement and shifted the balance of power to the west coast.

Hip hop had never been that raw before that album.
 
Lefty_;c-10154272 said:
The Chronic killed the fight the power movement and shifted the balance of power to the west coast.

Hip hop had never been that raw before that album.

I'll concede that when Nuthin But A G Thing and The Chronic came out Dre ushered in a new sound. The G-Funk beats with the high pitched synthesizers. A lot of West Coast groups gravitated towards that sound. From 92-96 The West Coast was poppin no doubt.

But all that means is that from 1979-2017, the West had a nice 4 year run. Big deal.

 

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