The Black Community: Taking control of Its destiny.

[ustreet_monsta]

Here's one paragraph from a black woman regarding the title above - PPLSIntiative,feel free to show your intelligence and explain away IE why white people should be held responsible for things they've NEVER DONE.

A number of whites have questioned whether they should feel guilty about racial discrimination solely because of their skin color. They note that not only should they as individuals not be blamed for racism but that even as a group many whites are not that much better off than their black brethren. In his book The Redneck Manifesto author Jim Goad argues that the so-called rednecks - the white working class often portrayed as the bastion of racism in North America - a.) don't possess any more social power than blacks and frequently find themselves in the same economic position as the latter, and b.) are descended from people who didn't promote and perpetuate institutions like slavery and Jim Crow laws because they themselves were oppressed by the same individuals - generally rich whites - who did.

Right, but thats cuz race is and has always been used as a wedge issue in this country. The White working class is notorious for supporting positions that benefit the White non-working class. In fact, the Republican party has been riding on this since the creation of the Southern Strategy, which was racial in nature. So while, rednecks get the blame for racism, in 2011, they don't have the power required to call it racism. The correct word would be bigotry, which is still rampant on this site and in the world in general.

Also, White people tend to have a distorted view of how well off they are in comparison to the average Black person. All you see on TV are well off minorities: athletes & entertainers or criminals and thugs. The reality is that the median wealth for single Black women is $5 and wealth in the Black community has fallen to its lowest levels since the 80's.

I agree that there needs to be more personal accountability within the Black community, but there are also more alarming issues of institutionalized racism and exploitation that perpetuate the negatives. As long as minorities are being incarcerated at a higher rate than other groups and being targeted with predatory lending practices there isn't a level playing field. You can't wish away a system setup to destroy a community just because you personally aren't the one responsible for it.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

Here's one paragraph from a black woman regarding the title above - PPLSIntiative,feel free to show your intelligence and explain away IE why white people should be held responsible for things they've NEVER DONE.

A number of whites have questioned whether they should feel guilty about racial discrimination solely because of their skin color. They note that not only should they as individuals not be blamed for racism but that even as a group many whites are not that much better off than their black brethren. In his book The Redneck Manifesto author Jim Goad argues that the so-called rednecks - the white working class often portrayed as the bastion of racism in North America - a.) don't possess any more social power than blacks and frequently find themselves in the same economic position as the latter, and b.) are descended from people who didn't promote and perpetuate institutions like slavery and Jim Crow laws because they themselves were oppressed by the same individuals - generally rich whites - who did.

Slick, I'm going to be as nice as I can. This thread has nothing to do with you. You're not Black, and most likely don't even live around Black people. This is our discussion Slick keep out of it. The right to Destiny, is mainly the ability to self correct and improve without outside interference (your dumb white ass) stay out. From this point forward poster heyslick is no longer part of the conversation, please ignore him as I will

 

[PPLSIntiative]

only a racist troll would come into this type of thread and talk about out of wedlock birth rates...

Sboogie, I'd like to stay on topic, what do is your opinion of the solution I presented regarding the Black Communities economic base? Feel free to add any other point of point of attack to this solution oriented thread.

 

[ustreet_monsta]

We need to choose a model for the type of "community" we would like to be...
we need to agree on a set of values that we want to follow and pass to future generations...
we need to promote cooperation and collective efficacy...
we need to be organized as to maximize our political and economic resources...

This. We're some of the biggest consumers in America representing 1 trillion dollars in buying power. We have to be able to leverage that into better representation and more equality.

Improving our social conditions would do more for us than that slick undercover eugenics talk.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

We need to choose a model for the type of "community" we would like to be...

we need to agree on a set of values that we want to follow and pass to future generations...

we need to promote cooperation and collective efficacy...

we need to be organized as to maximize our political and economic resources...

In order for the last two to come about. The NAACP needs to be removed as a national mouthpiece for Blacks as well as the rainbow Push Coalitions and the National Black Caucus. These organizations are too caught up in politics and legislation, the grassroots community building has been replaced with career politicians.

There needs to be several of these grassroots coalitions formed that have concrete agendas, it can be something as small as providing after school tutoring or providing a free breakfast program for children. Whatever it is, it should be something that directly ties into the community where the organization is founded.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

We need to choose a model for the type of "community" we would like to be...

we need to agree on a set of values that we want to follow and pass to future generations...

we need to promote cooperation and collective efficacy...

we need to be organized as to maximize our political and economic resources...

This. We're some of the biggest consumers in America representing 1 trillion dollars in buying power. We have to be able to leverage that into better representation and more equality.

Improving our social conditions would do more for us than that slick undercover eugenics talk.

Blacks have massive consumer power, but it is not utilized because we spend all of our dollars outside of our community. I believe we should focus less on trying to turn consumer buying power into legislation power and turn it instead into communal self preservation. Open up Black owned clothing stores, furniture stores, grocer.

 

[algotthatflow]

In all honestly, what do you want to benefit from taking control of "Its" destiny..? What goal do you want to accomplished that hasn't backfired since black people have been given the opportunity to stand up for themselves legally or whatever.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

we also need to replace churches with organizations that actually do something...

Churches have their place, I believe spirituality strengthens a person in hard times. Back in the day churches were the meeting place of Blacks because there were no other communal gathering posts.

it's hubris to attempt to replace the church, but a more efficient secular organization can be developed. If we were to address the physical needs of a particular community you would then have a space that doubles as a forum. The most important step is finding out what a particular community needs. It's a tall order because where I've worked the needs are many. Jobs, rec centers, after school programs. It's why I believe the most basic thing each community can have is a breakfast program for children. It targets the most basic need. There are a lot of children out there in school who are hungry, for many school is the only place they can get a meal of substance.

Feed a person's body you can then get them to open their mind.

 

[kingblaze84]

The Black community, for one, must be more responsible with the choices we make. Not having kids with irresponsible people and having kids one cannot afford is a crucial one. The other is a stronger emphasis on education. Many of us are doing this but too many of us are raising kids who don't value education as much as they should. Teaching them by example is another. We also have to try to buy more from Black owned businesses, I definitely do so as often as I can. We can build a more stable community as long as we look out for each other in any way we can, financially and emotionally.

 

[kingblaze84]

Heyslick seems to care very deeply about what is going on in the African American community, I'm very touched.

 

[blakfyahking]

yo, I'm currently studying a neighborhood that is crime ridden... it has close to 60 churches.... they take up space and take money from gullible old ladies while providing nothing worthwhile...
talk all u want about spirituality, that shit seems to be a waste of time as far as tangible things that the community needs... they need to be held accountable...

powerful post @ the bolded

and even though cuzzo is trolling, he has a valid point about the multiple kids out of wedlock

the problem tho is that issue is trivial compared to the structural problems that lead to so many children being born out of wedlock in the 1st place

 

[kingblaze84]

yo, I'm currently studying a neighborhood that is crime ridden... it has close to 60 churches.... they take up space and take money from gullible old ladies while providing nothing worthwhile...

talk all u want about spirituality, that shit seems to be a waste of time as far as tangible things that the community needs... they need to be held accountable...

Hate to say this but I agree....

 

[Swiffness!]

let's keep it real, HeySlick is talkin dat ignant cracka bullshit as usual but.....

STOP having so many babies you can't ever/WON'T take care of

this is real talk

if ya can't feed ya baby (yeah yeah)

then don't have a baby (yeah yeah)

 

[ustreet_monsta]

let's keep it real, HeySlick is talkin dat ignant cracka bullshit as usual but.....

this is real talk

if ya can't feed ya baby (yeah yeah)

then don't have a baby (yeah yeah)

If people fix their mindstate and economic position the out of wedlock birth rate will go down. Its a symptom of a larger issue but not the cause.

 

[janklow]

so this is the part where i say "hey, this should have been posted in R&R" and move it

 

[PPLSIntiative]

Yey but White pastors with well-to-do Blacks in their congregation, need to be held accountable, far worse than any Black Rev. In the 'Hood

...on avg. White pastors have more clout more resources in America, than Black ghetto-Reverends, so they have a responsibility to teach their congregations. Yep, White pastors need to stick their necks out far enough and deal with the issues of justice and to deal with the issues of what’s proper and what’s right in America

The problems extend beyond the power of most pastors, and to be honest most pastors and are not always appealing to the youth. Movements and community development have to appeal to the youth because they are a source of strength and untapped energy. Which is why I stated that any movement needs to begin with a grassroots community organization. The most efficient approach are programs that address the immediate needs of school children. Clothing drives, breakfast programs, sports programs. Many communities have these things but these organizations rarely link up. On the westside in Chicago, there are so many after school programs and activites geared towards children, but they are uncoordinated, underfunded, and headed by individuals who don't know how to compose a solid business model for running an organization.

Besides Community organizations, one of the main concerns that should be addressed is education or lack there of. Public schools are failing school children nationwide because states under prepare them to compete on a global level. Black communities need leaders that will strongly advocate the development of charter schools, more charter schools in these communities. Charter schools that don't simply select the best and leave the rest but offers superior education methods and resources to all children within that district.

Charter schools can control their own curriculum and teachers have more liberty than in otherwise state regulated facilities.

Currently, charter schools take their pick of the litter without much investment in children with records of problems. If Black community leaders advocate for more Charter schools, this would increase the overall amount of spaces available, and subsequently take control of education of of state officials hands. Teaching and learning will stop being a bureaucratic game and actually benefit students.

 

[VulcanRaven]

You bought 30 years to late B.Shit should have been down back in the late 70s early 80s.The black community is forever fucked up now thanks to crack,gangs and low education.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Quitter post ^

Can't quit something that was never started.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

Look B, I'm hating the fact that this is becoming another Heyslick dominated thread. he's says some outlandish trollish shit and people feel the need to respond to it. Slick doesn't get his jollies from being right, he gets them from being able to dictate where a thread goes. So please, I ask all of you ignore this fool. Slick has got nothing to do with the Black community so he's not even a factor, equation, nor a solution. Ignore him and his bullshit, and when he sees no one is paying him attention or requoting his bullshit he'll have to go away. Let's stay on thread topic, and what a goof ass white boy thinks aint it.

 

[PPLSIntiative]

yes, this is indeed some true and powerful scholarship, but...where did you address the reality that White Pastors with affluent Blacks in their congregation....needing to be held accountable for staying silent on Inequality??

No matter how the youth feel, White Pastors STILL have THE MOST clout and esteem in the big cities, COMPARED TO ghetto-church's Reverends.

And so, they are the one's who can best connect with the "outside, racist FORCES'" which help subjugate Blacks, as a whole.

I'm saying you can't count on people in a lot of churches. You can't count on middle class or upper middle class people because they fear losing what they have. There needs to be a leader in these communities that can command the poor like a general commands his troops when they have no place to run. They'll fight because they have to.

Many spiritual leaders have been and are criminally silent when it comes to matters that effect the Black community, but it is folly to attempt to separate people from their spirituality. It's the most I can do to address it, because no matter what community leaders must find their way to the hearts and minds of the youth.