The Bible Game

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"Now the sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth; and Ham was the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated." Genesis 9:18-19

In chapter 10 of Genesis God goes on to explain where the 3 sons of Noah and their descendants eventually settled. It's pretty clear that the descendents of Japheth are what we would consider "white people".

"1Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Genesis 10:1-5

Biblical Archaeology can trace the names of the sons of Japheth to specific locations that are located in what we call Europe. I mean there is TONS of evidence that can trace the names to places all over in Europe. For example:

Gomer: A people inhabiting "the sides of the north" (Ezekiel 38:6); the Galatae of the Greeks (Josephus, 'Ant.,' 1:06); the Chomarii, a nation in Bactriana on the Oxus (Shulthess, Kalisch); but more generally the Cimmerians of Homer ('Odyss.,' 11:13-19), whose abodes were the shores of the Caspian and Euxine, whence they seem to have spread themselves over Europe as far west as the Atlantic, leaving traces of their presence in the Cimhri of North Germany and the Cymri in Wales (Keil, Lange, Murphy, Wordsworth, 'Speaker's Commentary ).

That's just one example. You can do that for all the names and see that they went towards Europe after the flood. Plus God specifically states in verse 5 that "the isles of the Gentiles" were divided in their lands by the sons of Japheth.

Saying that Esau is the father of the Caucasians or the "white race" isn't sound biblical exegesis honestly. When you do bad exegesis you get into all sorts of bad hermeneutics, which in the end hurt the cause of Christ instead of helping the cause of Christ.

 

[Black Boy King]

Japheth is not the father of the Caucasian race; he is the father of the Asians. Your post is citing geographical locations implying that the sons of Noah went off to their inheritance and stayed put. Reading history, this is certainly not the case; there or geography.

I will make a detailed post when I get home this evening.

...my question for now though is, @DoUwant2go2Heaven?‌ who is Esau? The Bible says Esau is the end of the world. Who is it ruling today?

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

"Now the sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth; and Ham was the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated." Genesis 9:18-19

In chapter 10 of Genesis God goes on to explain where the 3 sons of Noah and their descendants eventually settled. It's pretty clear that the descendents of Japheth are what we would consider "white people".

"1Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Genesis 10:1-5

Biblical Archaeology can trace the names of the sons of Japheth to specific locations that are located in what we call Europe. I mean there is TONS of evidence that can trace the names to places all over in Europe. For example:

Gomer: A people inhabiting "the sides of the north" (Ezekiel 38:6); the Galatae of the Greeks (Josephus, 'Ant.,' 1:06); the Chomarii, a nation in Bactriana on the Oxus (Shulthess, Kalisch); but more generally the Cimmerians of Homer ('Odyss.,' 11:13-19), whose abodes were the shores of the Caspian and Euxine, whence they seem to have spread themselves over Europe as far west as the Atlantic, leaving traces of their presence in the Cimhri of North Germany and the Cymri in Wales (Keil, Lange, Murphy, Wordsworth, 'Speaker's Commentary ).

That's just one example. You can do that for all the names and see that they went towards Europe after the flood. Plus God specifically states in verse 5 that "the isles of the Gentiles" were divided in their lands by the sons of Japheth.

Saying that Esau is the father of the Caucasians or the "white race" isn't sound biblical exegesis honestly. When you do bad exegesis you get into all sorts of bad hermeneutics, which in the end hurt the cause of Christ instead of helping the cause of Christ.

what about the first chapter of Obadiah its implication? As a precept to the verses I posted, does that not point to America and its "founding fathers"?

 

[MGWIII]

Now that Jesus has come wouldn't that have changed the fate of Esau, under Christ we are all one. I do agree that America had destroyed a lot over generations but that is a system not a race.

Question. Do you have to be baptized by water.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

No, God says this in regards to the sons of Japheth:

"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Genesis 10:5

The description that I gave of Gomer states that he kept moving westward as far as the Atlantic ocean. So of course they sons of Noah just didn't stay put. But as they expanded and kept moving westward, some settled in lands, while others kept going further west. That is how expansion and settlement works. Some stay, some move.

But are we just going to throw out ALL the evidence that can trace the names of Japheth to locations scattered throughout Europe, Russia, and Asia Minor? How do you explain away the mountains of references from Antiquity that locate the names of the sons of Japheth to places in Europe. For example Javan:

"Javan is by all agreed to be the father of the Grecians; hence Alexander, king of Grecia, is in Daniel 8:21 called king of Javan; and one part of Greece bore the name of Ionia; and the sea that washed it is called the Ionian sea. And his posterity are "Iaonians", in Homer (i) and Aristophanes (k); and the scholiast of the latter says, that the Barbarians call all Greeks Iaonians."

"Javan. Identical with Ἰάων (Greek), Javana (Sanscrit), Juna (Old Persian), Jounan (Rosetta Stone); allowed to be the father of the Greeks, who in Scripture are styled Javan (vide Isaiah 66:19; Ezekiel 27:13; Daniel 8:21; Daniel 10:20; Joel 3:6)"

Are we just going to discount what the ancients said? And say that no, JAVAN is not the father of the greeks?

And to answer your question Esau is the twin brother of Jacob that sold his birthright for a morsel of bread. Esau disobeyed his fathers instructions and took a wife from the Ishmaelites, thus founding the Edomites.

"And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father; Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife." Genesis 28:8-9

"Magdiel and Iram. These were the chiefs of Edom, according to their settlements in the land they occupied. This is the family line of Esau, the father of the Edomites." Genesis 36:43

Edom can be located on a map bordering Israel to the southeast, which is known as the TransJordan . Here goes extensive scholarship based on what the Bible teaches in regards to the founding of Edom and there relationship to the nation of Israel.
http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-edomite-territory-mt-seir.htm

Honestly Judah black your my brother in Christ but this isn't my cup of tea. I honestly HATE discussing "Racial issues" in regards to the Bible. It's just so meaningless and unfruitful for me personally. God is no respecter of person. All this race stuff does nothing for me. I want to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I want to lead ALL races to the Creator of ALL races. The dividing line for entrance into the kingdom of God isn't race, ethnicity, or nationality. It's faith and confession in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is what gets my blood flowing and my Spirit moved. This discussion is bitter water to me. You can post your rebuttal and I will read it, but i'm done with this topic of race. This isn't the mountain God has given me to climb. God bless you.

 

[zombie]

even if esau is the white race so what?? that is meaningless under christ.

 

[Black Boy King]

Brother if you don't care for the knowledge then let it be. Some of us want to understand more than the Gospel, but the Truth(that is, the Word of God) as a whole. For it is written, our people suffer for lack of knowledge.

Us identifying Esau and Israel helps us understand why our people are in the state we are in today and how we can get out of it.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Question. Do you have to be baptized by water.

No. Baptism doesn't save you. Salvation is dependent upon confession that Jesus Christ is Lord and belief that He rose from the dead.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

It's only by grace that we are saved through faith! Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by His great mercy God saved us.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Thus, you must be baptized by the Holy Spirit in order to gain entrance into the kingdom of God!



"I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am--so much greater that I'm not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire." Matthew 3:11

Water baptism simply symbolizes Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. Baptism is to follow our acceptance of Christ. It is an after the fact matter. You must first be born again! Born again not by corruptible seed, but by incorruptible seed! And that incorruptible seed is the baptism of the Holy Spirit! Without the Spirit of God living and abiding in you, you have no life in you and no part or inheritance in Christ Jesus.

And for the Biblical example I point to the thief on the cross, who believed that Jesus Christ was Lord and thus was subsequently saved while dying on the cross. It's by faith alone, through Christ alone! Amen.

Question: Will the Father be seen in heaven?

 

[twinzmom]

1 Timothy 6:16 NLT

He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

Not here on earth will we ever see him.

But in heaven

Revelation 21:3 NLT

I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

This may not be a good question but it's one I struggle with.

Divorce is only ok I'm the case of adultery. True or false?

 

[MzKB]

Divorce is only ok I'm the case of adultery. True or false?

False: though the bible states

KJV

Matthew 19:

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

We believers can repent and be forgiven for our sins

1 John 1:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 3:23-26

King James Version (KJV)

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Question: Who punishes believers/non believers for our wrong doings.....God or the devil?

 

[MGWIII]

I don't have the scriptures but I don't believe the devil has any power except for if God allows something like in job. God does not punish, Roman 5:8 says Jesus died while we yet sinners and psalm 103:11 says that He removed our transgressions.

Question: live by Grace or follow the law

 

[Black Boy King]

The devil isn't a being. It just means the adversary.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I don't have the scriptures but I don't believe the devil has any power except for if God allows something like in job. God does not punish, Roman 5:8 says Jesus died while we yet sinners and psalm 103:11 says that He removed our transgressions.

Question: live by Grace or follow the law

The book of Romans answers this pretty thoroughly. Here are a few scriptures:



"Well then, since God's grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not!" Romans 6:15



"But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit." Romans 7:6

We live under grace, but grace doesn't give us a license to sin with impunity. We must be submissive to the LORD in all of our ways. We do that by allowing the Holy Spirit to have total control over our lives as we yield to Him day in and day out.

Has Isaiah 17:1 been fulfilled yet?

 

[Black Boy King]

Claim: God made His covenants with nation of Israel and nation of Israel only. Only Israelites of the bloodline will recieve the promises.

 

[zombie]

Claim: God made His covenants with nation of Israel and nation of Israel only. Only Israelites of the bloodline will recieve the promises.

They recieved most of their promises already and they largely ignored it because they were caught up in laws and traditions. Most of which were not even given to them by god in the first place.

 

[Black Boy King]

Claim: God made His covenants with nation of Israel and nation of Israel only. Only Israelites of the bloodline will recieve the promises.

They recieved most of their promises already and they largely ignored it because they were caught up in laws and traditions. Most of which were not even given to them by god in the first place.

Lol what are you talking about?

 

[zombie]

Claim: God made His covenants with nation of Israel and nation of Israel only. Only Israelites of the bloodline will recieve the promises.

They recieved most of their promises already and they largely ignored it because they were caught up in laws and traditions. Most of which were not even given to them by god in the first place.

Lol what are you talking about?

The nation of israel got almost everything god promised to them already and they just ignored it, the old covenants have been superseded with a new better one, with bloodline no longer being as important.

 

[Black Boy King]

Claim: God made His covenants with nation of Israel and nation of Israel only. Only Israelites of the bloodline will recieve the promises.

They recieved most of their promises already and they largely ignored it because they were caught up in laws and traditions. Most of which were not even given to them by god in the first place.

Lol what are you talking about?

The nation of israel got almost everything god promised to them already and they just ignored it, the old covenants have been superseded with a new better one, with bloodline no longer being as important.

Back track bro, are you saying my claim is true or false? When I say covenantssssss I mean the Old and the New Covenants are made for/with the descendants of Israel. The bloodline.

 

[zombie]

Claim: God made His covenants with nation of Israel and nation of Israel only. Only Israelites of the bloodline will recieve the promises.

They recieved most of their promises already and they largely ignored it because they were caught up in laws and traditions. Most of which were not even given to them by god in the first place.

Lol what are you talking about?

The nation of israel got almost everything god promised to them already and they just ignored it, the old covenants have been superseded with a new better one, with bloodline no longer being as important.

Back track bro, are you saying my claim is true or false? When I say covenantssssss I mean the Old and the New Covenants are made for/with the descendants of Israel. The bloodline.

The new covenant is for all mankind if your claim is that the new covenant is just for the descendants of israel then i would have to disagree with you and the old has been superseded by the new. let me just say that the old testament is obsolete but still functions. good luck following it