The 70 years are almost up! Teachings on the deep things of God! The day of the LORD is near!

[janklow]

"In the period following the Bretton Woods Conference of 1944, exchange rates around the world were pegged against the United States dollar, which could be exchanged for a fixed amount of gold. This reinforced the dominance of the US dollar as a global currency."

of course, you gave four reasons that were about Israel and/or nuclear weapons. so which is it?

America lead the world after WW2 ended. The soviets were mad at that fact, well they've been mad since America stole Alaska from them-

hard to steal Alaska from a country we paid for it

-but still the Yankees have dominated the global scene since WW2 ended.

seriously, if you don't think the USSR was a superpower in 1945, pick up a book sometime. don't know what else to tell you

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"In the period following the Bretton Woods Conference of 1944, exchange rates around the world were pegged against the United States dollar, which could be exchanged for a fixed amount of gold. This reinforced the dominance of the US dollar as a global currency."

of course, you gave four reasons that were about Israel and/or nuclear weapons. so which is it?

America lead the world after WW2 ended. The soviets were mad at that fact, well they've been mad since America stole Alaska from them-

hard to steal Alaska from a country we paid for it

-but still the Yankees have dominated the global scene since WW2 ended.

seriously, if you don't think the USSR was a superpower in 1945, pick up a book sometime. don't know what else to tell you

1. It's everything combined janklow. I'm providing facts, historical facts.

2. Hyperbole. I guess people can't understand when people are using it. Smh

3. The world wasn't back by the soviet ruble. It was backed by the dollar. USA-1 USSR-0

Money makes the world go round. End of discussion. The USSR was 2nd fiddle to the USA. History has proven that. But don't worry Russia is coming to destroy America real soon. They still haven't forgot about Alaska! Amen!

 

[zombie]

The dollar has not been the ruler of the world since 1945 america did not become the sole superpower till the 1990's even 12 years olds know that, you are factually wrong and if you can be so clearly wrong on well know historical facts then what confidence should anyone have in your ability to understand prophecy.

You talk like you are giving some deep understanding but in reality you don't know what you are talking about the verses you use to make mystery babylon america would only fool some one who does not read for example you used

isaiah 13: 1-14 to prove your point but you did not put the whole of isa 13 to use, only the sections that you think will prove your point. Now here is isaiah 13: 15-22



15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.

21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

In verse 19 isaiah calls babylon "the beauty of the chaldees' excellency" which indicates that the babylon being talked about must have been or is part of the empire of the chaldees. The USA was never part of that empire but large parts of arabia were and the bible refers to edom as being the daugher of babylon and edom is identified as being on the arabian penninsula

Psalms 137: 7-8

7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

In verse 20 isaiah says " neither shall the arabian pitch tent there" america does not have a tradition of Arabs pitching tents. but the arabian peninsula does.

It's like I am talking to a brick wall. No matter how many TIMES I REPEAT myself you just don't get it!

DOUBLE FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY! I mean I really don't know how else to put it. So until you show me some research in regards to your knowledge of double fulfillment of prophecy, meaning near and far fulfillment, I refuse to continue to talk to a brick wall.

Your arguments are pointless because you don't see the bigger picture. You're so narrow minded that you can't see the revelation. The depth, knowledge, and understanding of the word of God is infinite. You need to ask the Holy Spirit to broaden your perception, because your still in the kiddie pool my friend.

I'm deep sea scuba diving over here, searching for the hidden treasures that are sunken in the word of God. You need to get out of the boat my friend. Ask the LORD to help you because your vision is obscured by factors that are hindering your spiritual perception into the deep things of God.

Amen.

You think you are in an ocean but you are not even in a puddle not even a pool. you cannot just apply double prophecy when ever you want, if a distinct time and a place is described you cannot just push beyond that to fit your argument. You cut the verse you want out of isaiah 13 to fit your ideology but leave out the rest you have done the same thing with the book jeremiah.

You have to deal with the textual problems with your interpretation and stop falling back on your arrogance stance that some how you have "meat" when you cannot answer the problems with your interpretations.

The only reason why i stopped at verse 14 in my original post was because the post exceeded the allotted characters if I would have put the entire chapter. So please miss me with that excuse.

I've provided resource after resource for you to actually take the time to study, but you have refused knowledge and instruction.

I have given you scripture after sctipture which solidifies the truth but yet you have rejected that.

All you do is argue with EVERYBODY! There is nothing that you agree with. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

All you do is go around threads and argue every point, with nothing to back up your claim.

You never give research, studies, or scriptures which identify Mecca as being Babylon the Great.

All you do is argue things you have no clue about. You don't even understand Double Fulfillment of prophecy. Basic christian foundations you have proven to be utterly clueless.

All you do is argue. Like I told you before you are a sanballat and tobiah all rolled into 1. But to God be the glory that your futile attempts at thwarting the message of God has been utterly abolished. May the LORD have mercy upon your soul. Amen.

I cannot agree with what I know to be wrong. There are large gaping holes in your theory and you have not addressed them because you are so certain that you are correct. You cannot apply double fulfillment prophecy whenever you feel like it..

Even if you could not explain the rest of isa 13 in one post you could have made another but you never did it. You are a good person but you lack the brains needed to teach what you are trying to teach.

Do you want me to give you scriptures that point to arabia being. Babylon ??? I've done it in other threads but you just ignore it.

Me and you need to battle it out now because anyplace I see you on this forum bringing up your false teachings I will address it

 

[zombie]

"In the period following the Bretton Woods Conference of 1944, exchange rates around the world were pegged against the United States dollar, which could be exchanged for a fixed amount of gold. This reinforced the dominance of the US dollar as a global currency."

of course, you gave four reasons that were about Israel and/or nuclear weapons. so which is it?

America lead the world after WW2 ended. The soviets were mad at that fact, well they've been mad since America stole Alaska from them-

hard to steal Alaska from a country we paid for it

-but still the Yankees have dominated the global scene since WW2 ended.

seriously, if you don't think the USSR was a superpower in 1945, pick up a book sometime. don't know what else to tell you

1. It's everything combined janklow. I'm providing facts, historical facts.

2. Hyperbole. I guess people can't understand when people are using it. Smh

3. The world wasn't back by the soviet ruble. It was backed by the dollar. USA-1 USSR-0

Money makes the world go round. End of discussion. The USSR was 2nd fiddle to the USA. History has proven that. But don't worry Russia is coming to destroy America real soon. They still haven't forgot about Alaska! Amen!

The usa was only the boss of the western world why can you not get that through your head.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

There is no battle between us. If you reject the wisdom and revelation of God that's on you. My job as a watchman has been completed. You've been warned, thus my hands are clean.

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to you. But the argumentative and contentious spirit that you have must be humbled. You ARGUE with everyone and here you are talking about battling with me? You just love contention, you probably argue against yourself since you can never agree on anything. I pray that The Lord will move in your life and soften your heart my brother. In Jesus name, Amen.

 

[Lab Baby]

The problem with understanding these prophecies is, we put way too much emphasis on the west. First off, the Cold War should put an end to the whole "how many superpowers there were" argument. The space race, Korean/Vietnam wars, etc... all part of a pissing contest between USA and USSR. I'm not a history buff, but it's common knowledge that the latter half of the 20th century was a battle for control of ideologies, hence all the propaganda against communism. We forget that while US is a reigning superpower, we are trillions of dollars in debt, and pissing off the wrong country could ruin us. Then we forget the roles of China and Japan, who are both nipping at our heels. Anything could happen within the next 20 or so years. If you count 1989 as the beginning of America's reign (which I do), that means we have about 50 more years til we see events unfold. The bible and God's word is based on more than what America does, we are just a pawn of the real enemy.

 

[zombie]

There is no battle between us. If you reject the wisdom and revelation of God that's on you. My job as a watchman has been completed. You've been warned, thus my hands are clean.

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to you. But the argumentative and contentious spirit that you have must be humbled. You ARGUE with everyone and here you are talking about battling with me? You just love contention, you probably argue against yourself since you can never agree on anything. I pray that The Lord will move in your life and soften your heart my brother. In Jesus name, Amen.

There is always a battle between truth and ignorance. We can agree on a lot just not this what you teach is not supported by the bible or by history.

It's nothing but the american version of prophecy.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The problem with understanding these prophecies is, we put way too much emphasis on the west. First off, the Cold War should put an end to the whole "how many superpowers there were" argument. The space race, Korean/Vietnam wars, etc... all part of a pissing contest between USA and USSR. I'm not a history buff, but it's common knowledge that the latter half of the 20th century was a battle for control of ideologies, hence all the propaganda against communism. We forget that while US is a reigning superpower, we are trillions of dollars in debt, and pissing off the wrong country could ruin us. Then we forget the roles of China and Japan, who are both nipping at our heels. Anything could happen within the next 20 or so years. If you count 1989 as the beginning of America's reign (which I do), that means we have about 50 more years til we see events unfold. The bible and God's word is based on more than what America does, we are just a pawn of the real enemy.

I understand everything your saying. And while this may be true to an extent. You are still missing the KEY! The key is Israel!

We must always remember that Israel is Gods timepiece! All things concerning the end have to do with the nation of Israel!

Therefore we must look at history and see what it tell us. This is what history tells us.

1. 1945 - WW2 was ended when the 1st country to develop the Atom Bomb, the USA, utterly obliterated 2 cities in Japan.

-Thus America took the helm as the sole super power with the invention of the Atom Bomb and the ending of WW2

2. 1946: - Judah (the Jews) began to return to Palestine en masse, with full support of the world's leading nations following the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry report.

- The British Mandate over Palestine started coming to an end.

- Palestine, and later Israel, became an American concern.

3. 1947- the U.N. resolved that Israel become an independent nation again

- The USA was the first country to back Israel becoming a nation

4. 1948- The year that Israel actually became a nation

- The USA being the first country to back the nation of Israel and has been Israels #1 ally.

Now you can put your hat on whatever year you want to, but best believe that any year you pick will be tied to the Jewish people and the nation of Israel!

Babylon the Great is important because she is directly tied to Israel. Thus the prophecy stands because of the integral part Babylon the Great has played in the reestablishment of Israel and her subjugation under her rule!

We got to stop looking at things from a worldly viewpoint all the time! Spiritual things must be understand by the spiritual mind! It's the only way things will make sense! The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God! Gods wisdom always confounds the wisdom of this world because His wisdom is the only true and right wisdom! Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

There is no battle between us. If you reject the wisdom and revelation of God that's on you. My job as a watchman has been completed. You've been warned, thus my hands are clean.

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to you. But the argumentative and contentious spirit that you have must be humbled. You ARGUE with everyone and here you are talking about battling with me? You just love contention, you probably argue against yourself since you can never agree on anything. I pray that The Lord will move in your life and soften your heart my brother. In Jesus name, Amen.

There is always a battle between truth and ignorance. We can agree on a lot just not this what you teach is not supported by the bible or by history.

It's nothing but the american version of prophecy.

As one author puts it, the "very essence of apostasy is the rejection of scripture as it applies to a person, community or nation. It is always someone else, somewhere else and at some unknown future time. Never is it now, us, our nation." - Stewart Best

 

[zombie]

There is no battle between us. If you reject the wisdom and revelation of God that's on you. My job as a watchman has been completed. You've been warned, thus my hands are clean.

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to you. But the argumentative and contentious spirit that you have must be humbled. You ARGUE with everyone and here you are talking about battling with me? You just love contention, you probably argue against yourself since you can never agree on anything. I pray that The Lord will move in your life and soften your heart my brother. In Jesus name, Amen.

There is always a battle between truth and ignorance. We can agree on a lot just not this what you teach is not supported by the bible or by history.

It's nothing but the american version of prophecy.

As one author puts it, the "very essence of apostasy is the rejection of scripture as it applies to a person, community or nation. It is always someone else, somewhere else and at some unknown future time. Never is it now, us, our nation." - Stewart Best

I don't care what Stewart best has to say i care what the bible has to say.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

There is no battle between us. If you reject the wisdom and revelation of God that's on you. My job as a watchman has been completed. You've been warned, thus my hands are clean.

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to you. But the argumentative and contentious spirit that you have must be humbled. You ARGUE with everyone and here you are talking about battling with me? You just love contention, you probably argue against yourself since you can never agree on anything. I pray that The Lord will move in your life and soften your heart my brother. In Jesus name, Amen.

There is always a battle between truth and ignorance. We can agree on a lot just not this what you teach is not supported by the bible or by history.

It's nothing but the american version of prophecy.

As one author puts it, the "very essence of apostasy is the rejection of scripture as it applies to a person, community or nation. It is always someone else, somewhere else and at some unknown future time. Never is it now, us, our nation." - Stewart Best

I don't care what Stewart best has to say i care what the bible has to say.

lol. you flip flop more than a pair of sandals. First you tell me to pick up something other than the Bible and read it. Now you tell me all I care about is the Bible. ROFLMBBO. I knew you argued with yourself. LOL.

 

[Lab Baby]

The problem with understanding these prophecies is, we put way too much emphasis on the west. First off, the Cold War should put an end to the whole "how many superpowers there were" argument. The space race, Korean/Vietnam wars, etc... all part of a pissing contest between USA and USSR. I'm not a history buff, but it's common knowledge that the latter half of the 20th century was a battle for control of ideologies, hence all the propaganda against communism. We forget that while US is a reigning superpower, we are trillions of dollars in debt, and pissing off the wrong country could ruin us. Then we forget the roles of China and Japan, who are both nipping at our heels. Anything could happen within the next 20 or so years. If you count 1989 as the beginning of America's reign (which I do), that means we have about 50 more years til we see events unfold. The bible and God's word is based on more than what America does, we are just a pawn of the real enemy.

I understand everything your saying. And while this may be true to an extent. You are still missing the KEY! The key is Israel!

We must always remember that Israel is Gods timepiece! All things concerning the end have to do with the nation of Israel!

Therefore we must look at history and see what it tell us. This is what history tells us.

1. 1945 - WW2 was ended when the 1st country to develop the Atom Bomb, the USA, utterly obliterated 2 cities in Japan.

-Thus America took the helm as the sole super power with the invention of the Atom Bomb and the ending of WW2

2. 1946: - Judah (the Jews) began to return to Palestine en masse, with full support of the world's leading nations following the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry report.

- The British Mandate over Palestine started coming to an end.

- Palestine, and later Israel, became an American concern.

3. 1947- the U.N. resolved that Israel become an independent nation again

- The USA was the first country to back Israel becoming a nation

4. 1948- The year that Israel actually became a nation

- The USA being the first country to back the nation of Israel and has been Israels #1 ally.

Now you can put your hat on whatever year you want to, but best believe that any year you pick will be tied to the Jewish people and the nation of Israel!

Babylon the Great is important because she is directly tied to Israel. Thus the prophecy stands because of the integral part Babylon the Great has played in the reestablishment of Israel and her subjugation under her rule!

We got to stop looking at things from a worldly viewpoint all the time! Spiritual things must be understand by the spiritual mind! It's the only way things will make sense! The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God! Gods wisdom always confounds the wisdom of this world because His wisdom is the only true and right wisdom! Amen.

Again, I'm not a history buff, but the Israel that we know today is not inhabited by the true Israelites. It is a land ruled by Zionists, who shape the world events as we know it. What I'm saying is there's a bigger plot to this than just America being a superpower. The Babylon we speak of might not even be America, who knows. I agree that we have to look at things with a third eye, but if we're gonna reference history to spread the word of scripture, we gotta understand what's going on behind us as well as in front of us. The writers of this "history" are the same people that distorted the bible to only appeal to the western way of thinking, and are the same people that are inhabiting Israel right now. America is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[zombie]

Mystery babylon is in the middle east it is not america or rome.

AMERICA IS A NATION NOT A CITY

“One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, ‘Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth commited adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.’ Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with the abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: ‘Mystery Babylon The Great – The Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the earth.’ I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus … The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth” (Revelation 17:1-6, 18).

she exists geographically in a desert region. And secondly, we see that the “kings of the earth” figuratively commit adultery with her in order to obtain her “wine” in exchange for betraying God’s people. What desert “wine” intoxicates the earth, and causes this desert region to grow rich? OIL . What false religion teaches that the blood of Christians and Jews should be shed? Islam. What desert nation today is the geographical womb from which this false harlot religion was birthed? saudi arabia. Arabia does have great influence over the kings of the earth, and offers an addictive intoxicating commodity – oil.

 

[zombie]

There is no battle between us. If you reject the wisdom and revelation of God that's on you. My job as a watchman has been completed. You've been warned, thus my hands are clean.

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to you. But the argumentative and contentious spirit that you have must be humbled. You ARGUE with everyone and here you are talking about battling with me? You just love contention, you probably argue against yourself since you can never agree on anything. I pray that The Lord will move in your life and soften your heart my brother. In Jesus name, Amen.

There is always a battle between truth and ignorance. We can agree on a lot just not this what you teach is not supported by the bible or by history.

It's nothing but the american version of prophecy.

As one author puts it, the "very essence of apostasy is the rejection of scripture as it applies to a person, community or nation. It is always someone else, somewhere else and at some unknown future time. Never is it now, us, our nation." - Stewart Best

I don't care what Stewart best has to say i care what the bible has to say.

lol. you flip flop more than a pair of sandals. First you tell me to pick up something other than the Bible and read it. Now you tell me all I care about is the Bible. ROFLMBBO. I knew you argued with yourself. LOL.

I said to read more than just the bible but you should apply what you learn using wisdom and besides stewart best was giving opinion not fact. There is a difference between reading what is knowable fact and reading opinion

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The problem with understanding these prophecies is, we put way too much emphasis on the west. First off, the Cold War should put an end to the whole "how many superpowers there were" argument. The space race, Korean/Vietnam wars, etc... all part of a pissing contest between USA and USSR. I'm not a history buff, but it's common knowledge that the latter half of the 20th century was a battle for control of ideologies, hence all the propaganda against communism. We forget that while US is a reigning superpower, we are trillions of dollars in debt, and pissing off the wrong country could ruin us. Then we forget the roles of China and Japan, who are both nipping at our heels. Anything could happen within the next 20 or so years. If you count 1989 as the beginning of America's reign (which I do), that means we have about 50 more years til we see events unfold. The bible and God's word is based on more than what America does, we are just a pawn of the real enemy.

I understand everything your saying. And while this may be true to an extent. You are still missing the KEY! The key is Israel!

We must always remember that Israel is Gods timepiece! All things concerning the end have to do with the nation of Israel!

Therefore we must look at history and see what it tell us. This is what history tells us.

1. 1945 - WW2 was ended when the 1st country to develop the Atom Bomb, the USA, utterly obliterated 2 cities in Japan.

-Thus America took the helm as the sole super power with the invention of the Atom Bomb and the ending of WW2

2. 1946: - Judah (the Jews) began to return to Palestine en masse, with full support of the world's leading nations following the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry report.

- The British Mandate over Palestine started coming to an end.

- Palestine, and later Israel, became an American concern.

3. 1947- the U.N. resolved that Israel become an independent nation again

- The USA was the first country to back Israel becoming a nation

4. 1948- The year that Israel actually became a nation

- The USA being the first country to back the nation of Israel and has been Israels #1 ally.

Now you can put your hat on whatever year you want to, but best believe that any year you pick will be tied to the Jewish people and the nation of Israel!

Babylon the Great is important because she is directly tied to Israel. Thus the prophecy stands because of the integral part Babylon the Great has played in the reestablishment of Israel and her subjugation under her rule!

We got to stop looking at things from a worldly viewpoint all the time! Spiritual things must be understand by the spiritual mind! It's the only way things will make sense! The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God! Gods wisdom always confounds the wisdom of this world because His wisdom is the only true and right wisdom! Amen.

Again, I'm not a history buff, but the Israel that we know today is not inhabited by the true Israelites. It is a land ruled by Zionists, who shape the world events as we know it. What I'm saying is there's a bigger plot to this than just America being a superpower. The Babylon we speak of might not even be America, who knows. I agree that we have to look at things with a third eye, but if we're gonna reference history to spread the word of scripture, we gotta understand what's going on behind us as well as in front of us. The writers of this "history" are the same people that distorted the bible to only appeal to the western way of thinking, and are the same people that are inhabiting Israel right now. America is just the tip of the iceberg.

Well I'm going to have to disagree.

When Israel was recreated in 1 day in 1948 it fulfilled this prophecy.



"Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

The people who first came back in 1948 were mostly holocaust survivors! These were people who ENDURED terrible persecution just because they were Jews! Why would anybody, during WW2, who was in their right mind claim to be a JEW and face extermination? No one in their right mind would claim to be a Jew if they really weren't.

So all this talk about the people in Israel not being Jews is a lie straight from the devil! The devil wants to continue to insight antisemitism because he hates the jews. The worst persecution is yet to come and Hitler will look like mary poppins compared to what the beast and his followers will do to the jews and all those who love Jesus Christ.

So I REALLY don't agree with your stance regarding Israel. The prophecy of Isaiah and the literal fulfillment in 1948 proves that God knows His people.

But what you also have to understand is that the whole house of Israel is not in the land. The greater exodus happens when Babylon the Great is destroyed. That is when the whole house of Israel will return to the land and be united once again. This is what the scripture teaches. Amen.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Mystery babylon is in the middle east it is not america or rome.

AMERICA IS A NATION NOT A CITY

“One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, ‘Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth commited adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.’ Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with the abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: ‘Mystery Babylon The Great – The Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the earth.’ I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus … The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth” (Revelation 17:1-6, 18).

she exists geographically in a desert region. And secondly, we see that the “kings of the earth” figuratively commit adultery with her in order to obtain her “wine” in exchange for betraying God’s people. What desert “wine” intoxicates the earth, and causes this desert region to grow rich? OIL . What false religion teaches that the blood of Christians and Jews should be shed? Islam. What desert nation today is the geographical womb from which this false harlot religion was birthed? saudi arabia. Arabia does have great influence over the kings of the earth, and offers an addictive intoxicating commodity – oil.

Objection 2 — “Babylon Is A City, Not A Nation”

By far the most common objection I hear about America being Babylon comes from a fixation on how it is described as a city by Revelation no less than seven times. For example, this verse calls it a city twice:

Revelation 18:10 (HCSB) — They will stand far off in fear of her torment, saying: Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the mighty city! For in a single hour your judgment has come.

How do we answer this? Well, first read another one of the “city” verses and notice what the city has:

Revelation 17:18 (HCSB) — And the woman you saw is the great city that has an empire over the kings of the earth.”

Could a mere city rule the world today without a large, major country behind it? Of course, not.

As it turns out, other details point to Babylon as a chief city of a “nation” (Jer 50:12) with farmland (Jer 50:16), and other cities (Jer 50:32; 51:43).

Then why does Revelation call it a city? It seems to be using a common convention in both ancient and modern times to refer to a nation by its chief city. The media today often uses Moscow or Washington to refer to Russia or USA, respectively.

Shouldn't the prophecy refer to Washington, then? Washington may be America's capital, but New York City is America's biggest and most important city for commerce, finance, advertising, etc. It is more distinctive. It is not so strange that a prophecy about America identifies her by her greatest and most distinctive city.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And the exegesis on your description of Babylon and trying to make Saudi Arabia fit is laughable. Are you serious with that response?

wine=oil?

desert= Saudi Arabia?

LOL. No context needed. Get real. Whoever wrote that needs a class in hermeneutics. No wonder there is so much false teaching out there.

Oh but let's also ignore the 100 other characteristics/traits that Babylon must fulfill in order for her to be true. SMH.

 

[zombie]

Mystery babylon and the nation that destroys her will both be in the so called middle east, the entire bible is a middle eastern centered book. People think the world revolves around america too much but the most important place on each is the middle east.

To begin with mystery babylon is a religion It's described as being a harlot sitting on a beast the bible uses women as an analogy for a religion that is associated with certain nations of people.

examples:

Ephesians 5:25 says, "Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" and Jesus is constantly referred to throughout the new testament as the "bridegroom" to the Church. Compare also Revelation 21 which describes New Jerusalem as a bride adorned for her husband, which is in stark contrast to the whore, Babylon. However, the city that is New Jerusalem is itself a Church being married to Christ, there is no need for a traditional temple as explained in the verses.

The entire book Hosea is a symbolic relationship, with hosea representing God and israel being his wife.

Also we know that the beast the whore is riding can represent a nation the precedence for that is found in daniel 7

So we have the bible representing religions as women/ cities and we have beast representings nations

put them together and you have mystery babylon being described as a city that is the center or a religion and that controls a vast empire of people. The only city in the world that matches this description is mecca.

Also look at the geographic description the bible gives

Isa 21 :1-2

A prophecy against the Desert by the Sea:Like whirlwinds sweeping through the south land, an invader comes from the desert, from a land of terror. 2 A dire vision has been shown to me:The traitor betrays, the looter takes loot.

Elam, attack! Media, lay siege! I will bring to an end all the groaning she caused.

ELAM is in Persia modern day iran,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam . mystery babylon is in a dessert city by the sea, the mecca is on a pennisula which means the entire REGION is surrounded by water. And isa 21:1-2 cannoT be talking about ancient babylon because it was not by the sea.

Also the region that mecca is in today was once ruled by babylonians

pslams 137

7 Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

 

[zombie]

And the exegesis on your description of Babylon and trying to make Saudi Arabia fit is laughable. Are you serious with that response?

wine=oil?

desert= Saudi Arabia?

LOL. No context needed. Get real. Whoever wrote that needs a class in hermeneutics. No wonder there is so much false teaching out there.

Oh but let's also ignore the 100 other characteristics/traits that Babylon must fulfill in order for her to be true. SMH.

I CAN GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU WANT ME TOO

 

[Lab Baby]

The problem with understanding these prophecies is, we put way too much emphasis on the west. First off, the Cold War should put an end to the whole "how many superpowers there were" argument. The space race, Korean/Vietnam wars, etc... all part of a pissing contest between USA and USSR. I'm not a history buff, but it's common knowledge that the latter half of the 20th century was a battle for control of ideologies, hence all the propaganda against communism. We forget that while US is a reigning superpower, we are trillions of dollars in debt, and pissing off the wrong country could ruin us. Then we forget the roles of China and Japan, who are both nipping at our heels. Anything could happen within the next 20 or so years. If you count 1989 as the beginning of America's reign (which I do), that means we have about 50 more years til we see events unfold. The bible and God's word is based on more than what America does, we are just a pawn of the real enemy.

I understand everything your saying. And while this may be true to an extent. You are still missing the KEY! The key is Israel!

We must always remember that Israel is Gods timepiece! All things concerning the end have to do with the nation of Israel!

Therefore we must look at history and see what it tell us. This is what history tells us.

1. 1945 - WW2 was ended when the 1st country to develop the Atom Bomb, the USA, utterly obliterated 2 cities in Japan.

-Thus America took the helm as the sole super power with the invention of the Atom Bomb and the ending of WW2

2. 1946: - Judah (the Jews) began to return to Palestine en masse, with full support of the world's leading nations following the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry report.

- The British Mandate over Palestine started coming to an end.

- Palestine, and later Israel, became an American concern.

3. 1947- the U.N. resolved that Israel become an independent nation again

- The USA was the first country to back Israel becoming a nation

4. 1948- The year that Israel actually became a nation

- The USA being the first country to back the nation of Israel and has been Israels #1 ally.

Now you can put your hat on whatever year you want to, but best believe that any year you pick will be tied to the Jewish people and the nation of Israel!

Babylon the Great is important because she is directly tied to Israel. Thus the prophecy stands because of the integral part Babylon the Great has played in the reestablishment of Israel and her subjugation under her rule!

We got to stop looking at things from a worldly viewpoint all the time! Spiritual things must be understand by the spiritual mind! It's the only way things will make sense! The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God! Gods wisdom always confounds the wisdom of this world because His wisdom is the only true and right wisdom! Amen.

Again, I'm not a history buff, but the Israel that we know today is not inhabited by the true Israelites. It is a land ruled by Zionists, who shape the world events as we know it. What I'm saying is there's a bigger plot to this than just America being a superpower. The Babylon we speak of might not even be America, who knows. I agree that we have to look at things with a third eye, but if we're gonna reference history to spread the word of scripture, we gotta understand what's going on behind us as well as in front of us. The writers of this "history" are the same people that distorted the bible to only appeal to the western way of thinking, and are the same people that are inhabiting Israel right now. America is just the tip of the iceberg.

Well I'm going to have to disagree.

When Israel was recreated in 1 day in 1948 it fulfilled this prophecy.



"Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children." Isaiah 66:8

The people who first came back in 1948 were mostly holocaust survivors! These were people who ENDURED terrible persecution just because they were Jews! Why would anybody, during WW2, who was in their right mind claim to be a JEW and face extermination? No one in their right mind would claim to be a Jew if they really weren't.

So all this talk about the people in Israel not being Jews is a lie straight from the devil! The devil wants to continue to insight antisemitism because he hates the jews. The worst persecution is yet to come and Hitler will look like mary poppins compared to what the beast and his followers will do to the jews and all those who love Jesus Christ.

So I REALLY don't agree with your stance regarding Israel. The prophecy of Isaiah and the literal fulfillment in 1948 proves that God knows His people.

But what you also have to understand is that the whole house of Israel is not in the land. The greater exodus happens when Babylon the Great is destroyed. That is when the whole house of Israel will return to the land and be united once again. This is what the scripture teaches. Amen.

Those same "Jews" persecute Ethopian Jews in that country. They purposely gave them sterilization shots and passed them off as vaccinations to stop the African bloodline from spreading. Now, would true Israelites do that? I'm not an anit-Semite by no means... that BTW is a word they like to use to hide behind their fuckery, word to the Anti Defamation League. But these people passing themselves off as Jews (not the citizens, the leaders) are just wolves in sheep's clothing. They plan to make this whole world Babylon. That's when you will see the scriptures come to light.