thanos vs darkseid

[The Lonious Monk]

Name a n instance thanos took over anything without the aid of an teh uber powerful event specific cosmic whatsit? I'll wait.

It's not darkseid fault he exists in a company that dick rides the company front man. If encounters with superman were written correctly he's gettin owned by darkseid.

Thanos gets stalemated by warlock at base level.

Name a time when Darkseid has done anything of worth without the Omega Effect, a power that he stole. I'll wait. I mean, it's not like Darkseid's only real success came about when he figured out the key to a uber powerful cosmic whatsit.

And sure, let's act like the uber powerful cosmic artifacts are just laying around for anyone to get. It's not like for him to get the Infinity Gems, he had to beat a bunch of powerful cosmic beings while they had access to the gems. Let's also act like anybody who gets these artifacts are automatically able to accomplish the feats he has. It's not like people are scared to even use the Infinity Gems because most people can't use them to their full potential and most can't use them at all without potentially losing their minds.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Name a n instance thanos took over anything without the aid of an teh uber powerful event specific cosmic whatsit? I'll wait.

It's not darkseid fault he exists in a company that dick rides the company front man. If encounters with superman were written correctly he's gettin owned by darkseid.

Thanos gets stalemated by warlock at base level.

You act like it wasn't his genius which obtained said cosmic objects. And stop fronting Darkseid has NEVER taken over anything without help either. Warlock usually needs the soul gem and then if you look at their feats Thanos should stomp him into the ground. Thanos has taken the strongest Galactus (universe destroyer at full strength) can take. Thanos has taken the strongest Odin can take. He has killed Silver Surfer (insane durability that can withstand a supernova without a scratch) in a few hits. He has mindraped The Fallen One, aka the first Surfer. He has read Galactus' mind even though he's immune to that shit. And he can't die. Thanos is that nigga.

And Darkseid stalemated Odin long ago when he was actually written like a god and was a New God villain and whatnot. Thor get's stomped by Thanos like 99.9% of the time and even lost with the power gem. I can't even explain Warlock tbh cause he fluctuates from trash that shouldn't be in Thanos's presence to Thor/Surfer level randomly.

Thanos would beat the brakes off of Darkseid. Period.

Warlock is the soul gem. He doesn't need it. His powerset is sick. Vulcan couldn't even drain all of his energy. Galactus had Thanos copping pleas. Odin was fucking with Thanos. Nigga stop fronting. Nigga didn't read Gal's mind either bruh. Gal had that Nigga on his knees within a few scans.

Thanos had never stomped Thor ever. Warlock has never been trash. I think he has maybe one bad showing ever. And that's a hand to hand vs Hercules.

 

[evoljeanyes]

@etherealamotekun welcome back g!

 

[EtherealAmotekun]

@etherealamotekun welcome back g!

I'm in my ethereal state homey. Its like Ben Kenobi talkin to Luke after her merged with the force.

Pussy ass mods not releasing my main. Sa'ight doe.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Why are people even arguing about Thanos and Warlock. I'm pretty sure Thanos said that Warlock was his greatest adversary and I know Warlock implied that when it comes down to it the only person that ever beats Thanos is Thanos. Suffice to say, they both hold the other in very high regard.

 

[jaxn]

Thanos is >>>>> Darkseid in every aspect imaginable..strength, durability, intelligence, raw power. DS has absolutely zero chance of defeating Thanos without some mitagating circumstances. DS is Superman level, Thanos is above top tier

 

[rage]

If Darkseid ever beats Thanos....its because Thanos planned for it to happen.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

DS is really underrated on her i see

 

[evoljeanyes]

@jaxn I have to disagree darkseid is a problem. He is for sure above Supes.

 

[evoljeanyes]

But Surtur and Beyonder are for sure the top on that list

 

[jaxn]

@jaxn I have to disagree darkseid is a problem. He is for sure above Supes.

Perhaps they've revamped his status quo in the nu52, but a guy who had his eyes beaten and swollen shut by Superman and literally begged Superman for mercy isn't a problem at all. Superman blocked the Omega Effect with Heat Vision as well. In the Hunger (which isn't canon that I know of, but shows the only time DS and Galactus interacted) DS was nothing more than a pest to Galactus. He didn't even bother with DS after dispatching him and this was a Galactus stated as being the hungriest he's ever been, meaning this guy was extremely weak. Weaker than we've ever seen him up until this point. There was literally nothing DS could do to Galactus. Although Thanos is nothing more than a pest to Galan as well, Thanos would've elicited a greater response from Galactus as seen in the ironically called Hunger mini, when Thanos blasted Galactus out of his ship..obviously Galactus handled Thanos with releative ease, but he actually did engage him with anger..with DS, he casually blasted this nigga into oblivion. DS had to be helped out of rubble by Orion.

 

[Broddie]

Now I know why Final Crisis flew over so many heads. A lot of modern day comic book fans aren't familiar with pre-crisis Darkseid at all and that's basically what Morrison reverted to.

 

[jaxn]

are you using pre-crisis DS for this debate?

 

[jaxn]

pre-crisis was a mess, hence why the retcon. One day Superman can sneeze out a galaxy and the next he's having problems lifting a car

 

[Broddie]

are you using pre-crisis DS for this debate?

Yes because it's the only version of Darkseid that truly matters. Kirby and less than a handful of writers at best are the ones who understood how to write that concept. Morrison falls in that group. The New Gods have been bastardized more times than I can count especially towards the end of post-crisis. Things seemingly seem back to normal in the New 52 shitty 1st arc of Justice League aside.

pre-crisis was a mess, hence why the retcon. One day Superman can sneeze out a galaxy and the next he's having problems lifting a car

Sure. That's why it was the most successful era in DC Comics history.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I believe there is no such thing as Pre-crisis Darkseid. Darkseid existed outside of that Crisis.

That said, keep in mind that Darkseid and Thanos have pulled the same trick where a lot of their defeats were stated to no actually be them but clones/dupes.

 

[Broddie]

The Darkseid written post-crisis is at times dramatically different from the Darkseid written from 1970 to 1986. So yes there is such a thing.

Darkseid is a celestial being. Ethereal in nature just like Highfather. He doesn't exist within the DCU physically; the Darkseid's that have faced Superman and the Justice League were all avatars of the real deal. Not "clones" not "duplicates" just physical manifestations embodied and controlled by the real Darkseid. Which is why he always comes back.

The problem is a lot of writers don't know this because they're ignorant to the mechanics and concepts of Jack Kirby's 4th World and a lot of DC editors aren't better because they're ignorant as well. A lot of the people that work there don't engross themselves in the entire publishing history of the company like many of the fans do. It's another reason I'm thankful for Morrison's Seven Soldiers/Final Crisis stories. Somebody finally did their homework and gave us some New Gods stories truly worthy of the original works of Jack Kirby again.

 

[jaxn]

if you're using pre-crisis DS in a debate then that should be pointed out.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The Darkseid written post-crisis is at times dramatically different from the Darkseid written from 1970 to 1986. So yes there is such a thing.

Darkseid is a celestial being. Ethereal in nature just like Highfather. He doesn't exist within the DCU physically; the Darkseid's that have faced Superman and the Justice League were all avatars of the real deal. Not "clones" not "duplicates" just physical manifestations embodied and controlled by the real Darkseid. Which is why he always comes back.

The problem is a lot of writers don't know this because they're ignorant to the mechanics and concepts of Jack Kirby's 4th World and a lot of DC editors aren't better because they're ignorant as well. A lot of the people that work there don't engross themselves in the entire publishing history of the company like many of the fans do. It's another reason I'm thankful for Morrison's Seven Soldiers/Final Crisis stories. Somebody finally did their homework and gave us some New Gods stories truly worthy of the original works of Jack Kirby again.

Nothing you said really counters what I said honestly.

Darkseid being written dramatically different is not indicative of anything. Characters get written differently all the time without an "Crisis" occurring. It's a consequence of have different writers with different takes controlling a character. As you said, Darkseid exists outside of the normal DCU, and as such he wasn't actually affected by the Crisis.

As for his Avatars, what he calls them is irrelevant. My point was only that, as with Thanos, a lot of the times that Darkseid has been defeated, it wasn't actually Darkseid.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Here is what's cool about this thread obviously none of us have seen all of Seid's appearances on panel. So the perspectives change a lot. I think seid is a powerhouse. Omega beams make him so trill its crazy. Thanos to me is about schemes so much that I feel like Seid would get him in a random. There really is no wrong answer. The debate is fun though...@Broddie @jaxn @the lonious monk all come with good shit every time. To the point where you have to stand corrected based on facts sometimes. Quite comical needs to come back alive for real. Lets get some good threads